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Topic: Primedice.com | Since 2013 | Longest Running Crypto Casino | 113 BTC Jackpot! - page 835. (Read 1989700 times)

legendary
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CEO @ Stake.com and Primedice.com
you say its pretty common to have 20 rolls rolling above 49.50 on a 100 provability chance?

Indeed it is, this is not the first time someone posted here about 20 + loss streak and as a matter of fact alot of people has posted the same things over and over again so for me it is pretty common here ( you can check few posts back ). There is nothing wrong with it and you are just not "lucky" with your rolls . You will need to learn about provably fair ( I gave you the link above ) and you can always check wether your rolls are rigged or not . Simply follow the steps on the website to verify your rolls

Here another link for you http://dicesites.com/tools and from the sites you can check that the probability to get 20x loss streak is about 0.00011637% . The number is close to zero but it is not impossible so with that being said, conclusion is that you are unlucky to have 20 + loss streak

I have had 25 or 26 reds streak on 2x at primedice. Its a bit rare but sadly happens Sad

Hm would be cool for somebody to query db for longest streak on 2x . But are u sure its 25-26 ? I think longest was like 23 .
full member
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you say its pretty common to have 20 rolls rolling above 49.50 on a 100 provability chance?

Indeed it is, this is not the first time someone posted here about 20 + loss streak and as a matter of fact alot of people has posted the same things over and over again so for me it is pretty common here ( you can check few posts back ). There is nothing wrong with it and you are just not "lucky" with your rolls . You will need to learn about provably fair ( I gave you the link above ) and you can always check wether your rolls are rigged or not . Simply follow the steps on the website to verify your rolls

Here another link for you http://dicesites.com/tools and from the sites you can check that the probability to get 20x loss streak is about 0.00011637% . The number is close to zero but it is not impossible so with that being said, conclusion is that you are unlucky to have 20 + loss streak

I have had 25 or 26 reds streak on 2x at primedice. Its a bit rare but sadly happens Sad
hero member
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Can someone explain me how is it posddible that in a timeframe of 8 hours I got not one but two stricks of 20 high bets when I was betting low?
I repeat, 2 stricks of reds in over 20 bets placed busting my dice rolls!
How is it random rolls and how is it fair?

just verify your bets if you feel that you're being cheated because that is common to happen even if you play at other dice sites you will still experience the same thing.. it wouldn't be called gambling if you always expect to win.
legendary
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you say its pretty common to have 20 rolls rolling above 49.50 on a 100 provability chance?

Indeed it is, this is not the first time someone posted here about 20 + loss streak and as a matter of fact alot of people has posted the same things over and over again so for me it is pretty common here ( you can check few posts back ). There is nothing wrong with it and you are just not "lucky" with your rolls . You will need to learn about provably fair ( I gave you the link above ) and you can always check wether your rolls are rigged or not . Simply follow the steps on the website to verify your rolls

Here another link for you http://dicesites.com/tools and from the sites you can check that the probability to get 20x loss streak is about 0.00011637% . The number is close to zero but it is not impossible so with that being said, conclusion is that you are unlucky to have 20 + loss streak
member
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I repeat, 2 stricks streak of reds in over 20 bets placed busting my dice rolls!

That is pretty common thing to have in PrimeDice actually

How is it random rolls and how is it fair?
Pretty common? So I am rolling with 49.50% chance to get that roll right on a low bet and you say its pretty common to have 20 rolls rolling above 49.50 on a 100 provability chance?
legendary
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I repeat, 2 stricks streak of reds in over 20 bets placed busting my dice rolls!

That is pretty common thing to have in PrimeDice actually

How is it random rolls and how is it fair?

You need to know about provably fair. Basically provably fair prevent / make it harder for the house to cheat the rolls. The rolls number are generated randomly with a combination of server seed and client seed so

Algorithm(Server seed + client seed) << Client seed will be whatever you wish to put in there and that means each time you change your client seed the roll number will be different

For more knowledge about this visit http://dicesites.com/provably-fair and if you think you are being cheated you can verify the number here http://dicesites.com/primedice/verifier
member
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Can someone explain me how is it possible that in a timeframe of 8 hours I got not one but two stricks of 20 high bets when I was betting low?
I repeat, 2 stricks of reds in over 20 bets placed busting my dice rolls!
How is it random rolls and how is it fair?
full member
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prime dice is the best dice game
legendary
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Judging from the several IP that is used throughout the process, it seems like this guy is no jokes at all and is prepared to take down the house. Filing a civil lawsuit isnt going to be a good idea as going into the legal way will eventually be a backfire to PrimeDice as well. This could cause the site to be inspected and of course it will be discovered as an illegal site (?)

Even if they are able to find out the person behind all this, wouldn't it potentially not stand in court because the person could deny everything and deny knowing anything about the same seeds on multiple acconts ?

There's no point on bringing this to court or file a lawsuit as I believe most BTC gambling sites are now on the "dark sides" so bringing this matter into court will only bring much more damage to the site as that will be the same as exposing an "illegal site" to the court .  Everything will be fine if Stunna will be able to locate the coins and get it back though however this is highly unlikely if the coins will be staying in a wallet instead of going through an exchanger

Moreover, if they bring that man on court for that, it will even be re-examined the fact of bitcoin case, making it more denied by the government, and making it prohibited to play on sites like this one.

Much more damage to the sites than a benefit from it, yes
legendary
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Moreover, if they bring that man on court for that, it will even be re-examined the fact of bitcoin case, making it more denied by the government, and making it prohibited to play on sites like this one.
legendary
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#SWGT CERTIK Audited

Judging from the several IP that is used throughout the process, it seems like this guy is no jokes at all and is prepared to take down the house. Filing a civil lawsuit isnt going to be a good idea as going into the legal way will eventually be a backfire to PrimeDice as well. This could cause the site to be inspected and of course it will be discovered as an illegal site (?)



Even if they are able to find out the person behind all this, wouldn't it potentially not stand in court because the person could deny everything and deny knowing anything about the same seeds on multiple acconts ?
hero member
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Very interesting read, sorry about the loss Stunna. Hopefully someone comes forward with information in relation to the article.
legendary
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The hufflepuff report as promised:

https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

Definitely not the most interesting PD story, but probably the most expensive. It's proof of our naivety but also proof that we chose to play fair and lose a significant amount of money rather than attempt to cheat.

Pretty interesting story, thank you for sharing!
sr. member
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If you have a good idea as to who it was, you could file a civil lawsuit in their jurisdiction against them.

Judging from the several IP that is used throughout the process, it seems like this guy is no jokes at all and is prepared to take down the house. Filing a civil lawsuit isnt going to be a good idea as going into the legal way will eventually be a backfire to PrimeDice as well. This could cause the site to be inspected and of course it will be discovered as an illegal site (?)

Yeah, PD probably already operates in a legal grey area as it's unregulated and probably doesn't have the appropriate gambling licensees. If you have information on who he might be it's worth investigating or getting someone to investigate for you. If caught and there's a good chance of him getting in trouble with the law or fears for his safety the he might return all or some of the funds.

Im no expert in tracking blockchain, if it hits exchanger then Stunna could work secretly with the exchanger to get this Hufflepuff identity or such since Bitdice.me did the same way before ( they asked btc-e to hold the hacker withdrawal )

I doubt they know where the coins went after they were mixed either but if they do they should provide the info and maybe offer a bounty for potential leads. Edit: Just read the article above. addresses he cashed out to are linked at the bottom. I'm sure he mixed the coins before they went to their final destination, though.
sr. member
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Finally the official report is out. Thanks Stunna.

I got a problem after checking those addresses used by Hufflepuff and alts.
Kane’s Withdrawal address is 18dMBap634aESPTeD3FGcAgJ2S9n4qtBTZ, which according to walletexplorer.com, belongs to "MtGoxAndOthers". But how is that possible? Didn't Mtgox stop working long ago in Feb 2014?
Maybe Mt. Gox is having his revenge after the hack  Grin. JK , by the way thanks for the awesome report you(Primedice team) provided on the hack. Many of the other dice sites will now be aware of it , and patch it in time.
hero member
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Finally the official report is out. Thanks Stunna.

I got a problem after checking those addresses used by Hufflepuff and alts.
Kane’s Withdrawal address is 18dMBap634aESPTeD3FGcAgJ2S9n4qtBTZ, which according to walletexplorer.com, belongs to "MtGoxAndOthers". But how is that possible? Didn't Mtgox stop working long ago in Feb 2014?
legendary
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If you have a good idea as to who it was, you could file a civil lawsuit in their jurisdiction against them.

Judging from the several IP that is used throughout the process, it seems like this guy is no jokes at all and is prepared to take down the house. Filing a civil lawsuit isnt going to be a good idea as going into the legal way will eventually be a backfire to PrimeDice as well. This could cause the site to be inspected and of course it will be discovered as an illegal site (?)

Im no expert in tracking blockchain, if it hits exchanger then Stunna could work secretly with the exchanger to get this Hufflepuff identity or such since Bitdice.me did the same way before ( they asked btc-e to hold the hacker withdrawal )



@Stunna : any estimation on how many BTC was lost ? I suspect that it is not hufflepuff and his alt alone that exploited this as there could be several fry that take advantages by withdrawing the small amount to make it less suspected.

legendary
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Not going to quote the story but... man, that was a great read (and it's long!). It amazes me that people even know how to do exploits like this. It's like the "double-spending" on Bitcoin and altcoins that has happened in the past. I understand WHAT's happening but wouldn't even know where to start in terms of making it happen (and therefore don't know how to stop it).
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legendary
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Primedice.com, Stake.com
The hufflepuff report as promised:

https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

Evidence for transparency and investigative purposes
Hufflepuff’s deposit address: https://blockchain.info/address/1BiPXmDrHm7VXZnWy6NnW1ZbPc4dcpfkH5

His primary withdrawal address: https://blockchain.info/address/14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNp

Email: [email protected]

RobbinHood withdrawals:

https://blockchain.info/address/14HQ67ZhmATviHi9RdYhbUriAGSFmJpYoB

— Note — : Nappa/Kane were two other usernames used early on, amongst many others.

Kane’s Withdrawal address: https://blockchain.info/address/18dMBap634aESPTeD3FGcAgJ2S9n4qtBTZ

Nappa Deposit address: https://blockchain.info/address/16h9ggSzUWdvagEJdNvWVYiUkytw6SJgiB

Nappa email: [email protected]

Some IP’s used between accounts: 184.75.221.106, 184.75.223.34 , 151.224.50.156 , 76.179.22.16

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Stunna & Primedice
Very interesting. Although it is too bad that more technical details were not revealed, and that it is too bad that he made away with so much money, it is nice to see that at least one bitcoin related casino is operating honestly.

I would be curious to know if such an exploit would have been possible on PD2. If not then do you think it might have been better to have never "upgraded" to PD3, and simply added additional features to PD2?

Although it is really not anyone's business, I am sure that many people are very curious as to what the overall profitability is of both PD overall, and PD3.

One thing that was notably missing from the report was the bitcointalk account names that you are aware of for the people in question. I have noticed that you apparently have not left any negative trust ratings referencing what could be concluded to be this incident (although to be fair, a single negative rating is far from worth a million plus dollars).

I would also be curious to know if you have any leads as to who you think the perpetrator might be or any other related leads regarding him.

PD2 used a weaker provably fair system that featured a daily secret thus making it impossible to perform this on there. The simple fix was making it so no two accounts could have the same server seed hash.

Also, I had a decent idea of who it was but honestly I wasn't able to 100% confirm it and there is pretty much nothing non-violent I could do to recover the funds. I haven't quite reached my mob boss potential.

If someone has the ability to figure out where the coins went, that would be cool. He probably mixed decently well though.
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