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legendary
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November 11, 2022, 11:26:07 AM
#10
This is why I keep repeating this mantra: do not use an exchange if you want to truly control your BTC! And, as we have seen in this example, local wallets are indeed the safest option.

But is it really possible to not use and exchange?  How can you convert your Bitcoin to cash then?  Or how can you buy Bitcoin with your cash if you do not use an exchange?  Isn't it too much to advise people to not use an exchange and isn't it much better to advise them to not leave their cryptocurrency in an exchange nor use it as a wallet in keeping our cryptocurrency?

I understand what you're saying, and I partially agree with you. DEXs aside, it is impossible to get in or out of crypto without using an exchange. But, you know that some people leave their cryptocurrency in exchanges? They probably do so because they want to save on some transaction fees or they are too lazy to go through the process of withdrawing their funds. It's like going to the store to get groceries, but instead of taking them home you leave your bags at the cash register. It's a big risk. Exchanges could be hacked or they could go bankrupt, and you are exposing yourself to a lot of risks that could result in loss of funds.

If you want to hold your Bitcoins and use it as a store of value, then the best advice is to avoid using exchanges as much as possible.
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November 11, 2022, 12:30:23 AM
#9
This is why I keep repeating this mantra: do not use an exchange if you want to truly control your BTC! And, as we have seen in this example, local wallets are indeed the safest option.

But is it really possible to not use and exchange?  How can you convert your Bitcoin to cash then?  Or how can you buy Bitcoin with your cash if you do not use an exchange?  Isn't it too much to advise people to not use an exchange and isn't it much better to advise them to not leave their cryptocurrency in an exchange nor use it as a wallet in keeping our cryptocurrency?

It means using exchanges to control the ownership of assets without any limits, exchanges still has some terms of use that are against the principle. It's not always wrong to use exchanges, traders have even stronger reasons than long-term holders. Selling bitcoins for cash means that you'll release your bitcoins from control afterward, so this is a different use case.
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November 11, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
#8
Another lesson for those who think exchanges are the best option to secure their funds. Not Your Keys, Not Your Money. Do Not Forget.
Hopefully many people can learn the lessons behind what happened to the FTX exchange. Security issues are the main thing that novice investors who store Bitcoins on centralized exchanges should take heed of.
Bitcoin security only we users take good care of it.

Regarding this incident, the rest we just follow and I personally do not fully believe the problem that is befalling FTX.
legendary
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November 10, 2022, 11:43:03 PM
#7
But is it really possible to not use and exchange?  How can you convert your Bitcoin to cash then?  Or how can you buy Bitcoin with your cash if you do not use an exchange?  Isn't it too much to advise people to not use an exchange and isn't it much better to advise them to not leave their cryptocurrency in an exchange nor use it as a wallet in keeping our cryptocurrency?
As pooya87 pointed out. When advices like this come up, there is a silent 'centralized' before the term exchanges, so it becomes, do not keep your bitcoins in a centralized exchange, cause with them, you do not own the private keys and give up custody to the exchange platform and are subject to their terms and conditions.

P2P platforms on the other hand, have an open and decentralized model to mediate between transactions, without the user needing to give up custody.
legendary
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November 10, 2022, 11:35:54 PM
#6
I think people relearned the lesson again.  There is so many incidents like this before the FTX but people never learned and they still keep their cryptocurrency on exchanges.
That's the unfortunate part. They learn this lesson but unlearn it very quickly too when a couple of weeks go by. In fact we already see people who claim that for example an exchange like Binance is safe because they don't remember seeing a hack there!

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But is it really possible to not use and exchange?  How can you convert your Bitcoin to cash then?  Or how can you buy Bitcoin with your cash if you do not use an exchange?
You can use fiat currencies on decentralized exchanges too. For example you should check out https://bisq.network/
legendary
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November 10, 2022, 03:24:49 PM
#5
Anytime incidents like that of FTX occur you will remember why btc remains at the top and will always reign supreme. Another lesson for those who think exchanges are the best option to secure their funds. Not Your Keys, Not Your Money. Do Not Forget.

I think people relearned the lesson again.  There is so many incidents like this before the FTX but people never learned and they still keep their cryptocurrency on exchanges.   I hope this FTX incident will awaken people who get used to leaving their cryptocurrency in third-party services.


This is why I keep repeating this mantra: do not use an exchange if you want to truly control your BTC! And, as we have seen in this example, local wallets are indeed the safest option.

But is it really possible to not use and exchange?  How can you convert your Bitcoin to cash then?  Or how can you buy Bitcoin with your cash if you do not use an exchange?  Isn't it too much to advise people to not use an exchange and isn't it much better to advise them to not leave their cryptocurrency in an exchange nor use it as a wallet in keeping our cryptocurrency?

There were some threads who were claiming that exchangers are far better and safer as compared to the wallets because they could recover your losses by compensating to you. I am sure this news might have hit them very hard on their face. ROFL.

Whoever claims that a custodial wallet is far better than owned wallet has little understanding of how cryptocurrency works, the privacy, and the accessibility of a cryptocurrency.  Anyway, we don't need to argue with them because the current incident had already refuted them.
newbie
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November 10, 2022, 02:53:25 PM
#4
Personally, I recommend to people that keep bitcoin in an exchange to read and search about cold card. Probably another good self custody/cold wallets out there, but once someone recommended me this one and I am enjoying to use it. I am also using Electrum.

Since I store my sats and I started my self custody journey, I am a lot more motivated to learn about the bitcoin network, and to buy and store my sats properly. Bitcoin really empowers people.

Of course, devices like the cold card have a learning curve, at the beginning, it will seem difficult, but after you learn about it, you will realize that is simple. What I did it was make very small transactions, withdraw very small amounts from exchange until I felt comfortable to withdraw all my sats from the exchange.

Not your keys, not your coins.
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November 10, 2022, 02:39:07 PM
#3
There were some threads who were claiming that exchangers are far better and safer as compared to the wallets because they could recover your losses by compensating to you. I am sure this news might have hit them very hard on their face. ROFL.
I might be sounding little rude but I am really saying this in the most fun and smile way as I could!

That man Satoshi, he literally saw the vision of market a decade ago and still there are people who "THINK" having custody of our funds to someone's hand is best way to safeguard it. For example, banks. I hope we have not forgotten the Russian incidence were cash were so short that they halted the ATM and also restricted cash withdrawals.

Then in crypto XRP, LUNA, then binance hack, KuKoin hack and now FTX falling, but all you need is BTC to stay in your own control.

If it does not get values then that's not a problem, we will keep BTC = BTC and trade in that language/fashion only.

#NYKNYM
legendary
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November 10, 2022, 02:24:46 PM
#2
Anytime incidents like that of FTX occur you will remember why btc remains at the top and will always reign supreme. Another lesson for those who think exchanges are the best option to secure their funds. Not Your Keys, Not Your Money. Do Not Forget.

As I already said in my previous post on this subject, the role that exchanges play has been vastly overstated by the media and the business community, who would have you believe that a companies like Binance, Coinbase or FTX "holds" all our bitcoins. That is simply not true if you own your private keys (which is what true ownership entails). The vast majority of users had never heard of Alameda Research or FTX Ventures before they started hearing news of the latter's insolvency. This is why I keep repeating this mantra: do not use an exchange if you want to truly control your BTC! And, as we have seen in this example, local wallets are indeed the safest option.
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November 10, 2022, 02:01:51 PM
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“Principles of BTC — You do not trust a CEO. You do not trust a company. You do not trust a custodian. You do not trust a bank. You hold your own keys. You run your own node. The #bitcoin network will run for the next 1,000 years”, explains @saylor



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Anytime incidents like that of FTX occur you will remember why btc remains at the top and will always reign supreme. Another lesson for those who think exchanges are the best option to secure their funds. Not Your Keys, Not Your Money. Do Not Forget.




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