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Topic: Private Bitcoin Investment @ 15% ROI - page 2. (Read 2053 times)
Yes, that is exactly how this scam works out. You have 0 credentials to back up your claim and that is why you are being called out on it.
L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?
Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.
The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.
Yea, I understand I have no creds but that's just how it's gonna be. I know it's not going to help me but that's what I'm sticking with. Call me a scammer for not releasing personal info any time you want... frankly, I don't care anymore what you have to say.Quote
I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.
L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?
Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.
The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.
At any giving point in time, there can only be a certain amount of individual I am willing to take in. It doesn't make sense why I would continue to build a bigger base of exposure only to screw the last few investors later on and ultimately destroying my credentials on btctalk.. at least, not to me. If anyone is worried about being scammed, the escrow method is the best fail-proof way of going about this and I'm all in for it. But if you start complaining how this is a scam because I refuse to release personal info about myself.. then sorry, you're out of luck on that one.
Ok, let's build trust. I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest. You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right? So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money. Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment. If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
That's just giving you return from out of nowhere. No more different than me giving 0.15btc to random strangers. Good try there buddy, good try. This investment is a 2-way deal. Whatever you invest in me, I cut a portion of my return back at you (hence the 15% ROI), whatever else I make, I take some of that and put it back into the insurance funds so I can build a bigger base. So in the future, I can offer 3,4,5,6+ and so on BTC of coverage.If you're asking why I'm not already doing that with my own btc funds, go back up and read why the trust portfolio is the primary focus. Even if I sent you 0.15btc from out of nowhere and you offer a positive feedback rating. That rating is just going to be how I gave you free btc and not about the investment experience, in it's proper scence.
Why would you have a problem with offering more now? You said you quite some experience in the field and can generate 10-15% ROI every two weeks. That must have generated quite a fortune for your already.
And how would that be different from now? How can I judge the "investment expericen" from other than what you claim you can return, as you dont offer any other details.
In your own words (speak about harrasment and stuff).
SCAM
DON'T BE A FOOL.
DON'T BE A FOOL.
Why is this in gambling
Ok, let's build trust. I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest. You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right? So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money. Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment. If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
That's just giving you return from out of nowhere. No more different than me giving 0.15btc to random strangers. Good try there buddy, good try. This investment is a 2-way deal. Whatever you invest in me, I cut a portion of my return back at you (hence the 15% ROI), whatever else I make, I take some of that and put it back into the insurance funds so I can build a bigger base. So in the future, I can offer 3,4,5,6+ and so on BTC of coverage.If you're asking why I'm not already doing that with my own btc funds, go back up and read why the trust portfolio is the primary focus. Even if I sent you 0.15btc from out of nowhere and you offer a positive feedback rating. That rating is just going to be how I gave you free btc and not about the investment experience, in it's proper scence.
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Think what you want. Everyone should indeed take that advice. This isn't easy money, at least not for myself, I spend an ample amount of time in this field. I guess the byproduct is the lack of involvement the investor has, other than investing the money in itself. I'm assuming when you mean "for everyone".. you mean the 2 investors I'm trying to acquire.
First you' call me out as a scammer.
Then I agree to use Micon's idea of an escrow agent as a 3rd party agent to hold the insurance coverage to prove my point.
Now you want info on my personal life.
If for some reason I release my personal info.. I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.
I'm sorry.. but there isn't really a way to please you. You can start preaching "you expect us to give you something for nothing in return about who you are, your reputation and/or investment model, your social security number.. etc etc etc." My answer to you is, in a nutshell, is: "Yes, that is exactly how this is going to work".
Think what you want. Everyone should indeed take that advice. This isn't easy money, at least not for myself, I spend an ample amount of time in this field. I guess the byproduct is the lack of involvement the investor has, other than investing the money in itself. I'm assuming when you mean "for everyone".. you mean the 2 investors I'm trying to acquire.
First you' call me out as a scammer.
Then I agree to use Micon's idea of an escrow agent as a 3rd party agent to hold the insurance coverage to prove my point.
Now you want info on my personal life.
If for some reason I release my personal info.. I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.
I'm sorry.. but there isn't really a way to please you. You can start preaching "you expect us to give you something for nothing in return about who you are, your reputation and/or investment model, your social security number.. etc etc etc." My answer to you is, in a nutshell, is: "Yes, that is exactly how this is going to work".
Yes, that is exactly how this scam works out. You have 0 credentials to back up your claim and that is why you are being called out on it.
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I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.
L O L of course. That's the least you can ask. As someone who is "in the field" I'd assume you'd know this from your vast experince. But I guess you don't ask the people you are going to loan the money too either? You just give them money and for no reason hope they'd pay you back?
Micon's idea is a good start but it doesn't prove anything other than you are willing to spend 0.2 - 0.3 btc to lure in more people to scam from next round.
The mere fact that you are being defensive when asked about your strategies is a tell tale sign of a scammer.
So you value people not knowing who takes their money higher than your "trust portfolio".
Sounds legit.
Funny: reading your history you have such epic quotes as:
"Everyone should know this will not work regardless of whatever "miracle" method is being used. The ONLY thing you should use and remember to use whenever you come across advertisement like this is... "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EASY MONEY!""
We should probably take your own advice.
and according to yourself, last year your were "newborn" in the BTC-community, yet now you are a skilled profesional that can easily make 15% ROI in BTC-investments every week for everyone.
Think what you want. Everyone should indeed take that advice. This isn't easy money, at least not for myself, I spend an ample amount of time in this field. I guess the byproduct is the lack of involvement the investor has, other than investing the money in itself. I'm assuming when you mean "for everyone".. you mean the 2 investors I'm trying to acquire.Sounds legit.
Funny: reading your history you have such epic quotes as:
"Everyone should know this will not work regardless of whatever "miracle" method is being used. The ONLY thing you should use and remember to use whenever you come across advertisement like this is... "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EASY MONEY!""
We should probably take your own advice.
and according to yourself, last year your were "newborn" in the BTC-community, yet now you are a skilled profesional that can easily make 15% ROI in BTC-investments every week for everyone.
First you' call me out as a scammer.
Then I agree to use Micon's idea of an escrow agent as a 3rd party agent to hold the insurance coverage to prove my point.
Now you want info on my personal life.
If for some reason I release my personal info.. I'm going to assume the next thing to ask is how my investment model works in detail.
I'm sorry.. but there isn't really a way to please you. You can start preaching "you expect us to give you something for nothing in return about who you are, your reputation and/or investment model, your social security number.. etc etc etc." My answer to you is, in a nutshell, is: "Yes, that is exactly how this is going to work".
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Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly. The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.
You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)
Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly. The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.
You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)
Ok, let's build trust. I have 1BTC that I'd like to invest. You have 1BTC that is liquid to protect my investment, right? So since you promised that I would never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER receive less then 1BTC back from my investment, AND you have at least 1BTC on hand to protect my investment, there's no reason why we should incur extra fees by having me send you money. Just invest the BTC that you have on hand (to guarantee my investment) and give me the profits from the investment. If you are running a legit operation here, there's no reason why what I just laid out is unreasonable, right?
Nope, I'm keeping my personal info, personal. I'd like to keep my personal life as far away from btctalk as possible and that's my decision. My persona on here is what's made available and that's pretty much it. I'll start here and work my way up. If this idea flops then let it be, I can still continue doing what I'm already doing.
So you value people not knowing who takes their money higher than your "trust portfolio".
Sounds legit.
Funny: reading your history you have such epic quotes as:
"Everyone should know this will not work regardless of whatever "miracle" method is being used. The ONLY thing you should use and remember to use whenever you come across advertisement like this is... "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EASY MONEY!""
We should probably take your own advice.
and according to yourself, last year your were "newborn" in the BTC-community, yet now you are a skilled profesional that can easily make 15% ROI in BTC-investments every week for everyone.
Nope, I'm keeping my personal info, personal. I'd like to keep my personal life as far away from btctalk as possible and that's my decision. My persona on here is what's made available and that's pretty much it. I'll start here and work my way up. If this idea flops then let it be, I can still continue doing what I'm already doing.
I'm sure if anyone is committed enough, they'll be able to find more info about me on google than what I'm already willing to disclose but I'm positive nothing you find about me will be affiliated scamming scenarios. But, whatever, whatever you find is beyond my control.
I'm sure if anyone is committed enough, they'll be able to find more info about me on google than what I'm already willing to disclose but I'm positive nothing you find about me will be affiliated scamming scenarios. But, whatever, whatever you find is beyond my control.
Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important.
It's very simple. Start by identifying yourself and show your track record and credentials.
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Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly. The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.
You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)
Simply because I'm more focused on building my trust portfolio which to me is more important. I don't plan on taking more than what I cannot cover. I can always use Micon's proposal of an escrow agent to show what I'm able to cover and list the current investors publicly. The current yields I'm offering does not exceed 15%. It's not guaranteed either which is why I'm willing to offering insurance out of my own pockets.
You can tell yourself it doesn't make sense or it's too good to be true and whatever sayings that follows that. You can question my agenda.. but when it comes down to it, this is simply to build my trust rating and make money for my investor and I (and yes.. in that specific order)
If you're thinking to yourself "but wait, if you already have 2BTC, why not invest your own BTC instead?". My answer is simple: I want to build a trust relationship with my investors and on BTCTalk. It's true I can invest my own Bitcoins and there isn't a reason why I shouldn't but I genuinely want to help others out (while of course earning my own portion of the return in the process - nondisclosed info as well) while making a name for myself.
This doesn't make any sense unless you are planning on taking investments in the future that you CANNOT cover. Otherwise you are just giving away money, and if you are just going to give away money why do it under the pretext of an investment? Doesn't make any sense.
Also, if you have a surefire, 100% guaranteed investment opportunity, that returns OVER 15% every two weeks, why wouldn't you just sit all of your money in it for a year or so and make a MILLION BILLION GAJILLION DOLLARS?
I can prove you are a scam.
Please, by all means, prove to me this is a scam. Prove that, even before I am able to acquire 2 investors that this is a scam to begin with.This is easy. You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%. So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment. Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy.
Also, this is in not way gambling.
Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.
Great idea. I'll be willing to escrow 2btc to a reputable agent as a 3rd party if you're (Micron) willing to cover the escrow fees. My 2btc can stay there until the investment period is over or if the investment fails the agent can send my btc as collateral back to the investor. I'm willing to do that without an issue. If this can further reinforce my proposal/portfolio, I'm willing to make it happen. Also, this is in not way gambling.
Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.
^ Can you prove this is a scam? You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.
I can prove you are a scam.
I am willing to insure 100% of your initial investment amount. So if there comes a scenario where the investment fails or I'm unable to generate the ROI as intended, I will personally reimburse the full investment amount back to you.
This is easy. You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%. So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment. Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy.
Also, this is in not way gambling.
Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.
Very good and simple idea!
^ Can you prove this is a scam? You're entitled to your own opinion but don't start accusing me of something I'm not.
I can prove you are a scam.
I am willing to insure 100% of your initial investment amount. So if there comes a scenario where the investment fails or I'm unable to generate the ROI as intended, I will personally reimburse the full investment amount back to you.
This is easy. You currently state that you are willing to take 2 btc for your scheme & if you fail you will insure 100%. So I will personally cover the escrow costs & require that you escrow the 2 btc first before soliciting 2 btc worth of investment. Please list publicly all investors, even if anonymous list by wallet address, to make sure you have not taken in more investment than you have escrowed to back your 100% return policy.
Also, this is in not way gambling.
Please use "report to moderator" function on HYIP scams like this, as we are lucky to have a solid mod around here now to keep this place in order.
^ There's a difference between voicing your opinion and something turning into blatant harassment. Now I regret my decision to not start this thread off with self-moderation knowing full well of comments from people like you. But then again, if I did that you'd probably question if I weren't a scammer.. why would I need to op-mod the thread, etc etc. I guess there just isn't a way to please you is there? Would you be more content if I said I am deliberately scamming? Would that put you to ease?
I'm not giving anything back (in terms of a model) because I choose not to. I've never said there isn't any risk involved. The risk in itself is the investment, if it turns out to be a scam.. then poof, there goes the btc. If it turns out I'm not scamming, then poof.. everyone is happy (but I'm sure you'll still find some way to voice your "opinion", wouldn't you?) And regarding the "btc calculator" comment, I was using that as an example.. not a guarantee of monthly ROI.
Anyways, I digress, I'm going to cease my response to you since this isn't going anywhere.
I'm not giving anything back (in terms of a model) because I choose not to. I've never said there isn't any risk involved. The risk in itself is the investment, if it turns out to be a scam.. then poof, there goes the btc. If it turns out I'm not scamming, then poof.. everyone is happy (but I'm sure you'll still find some way to voice your "opinion", wouldn't you?) And regarding the "btc calculator" comment, I was using that as an example.. not a guarantee of monthly ROI.
Anyways, I digress, I'm going to cease my response to you since this isn't going anywhere.
^ I'm too tired of going back and forth with you Jungian. Just keep whatever you have to yourself. I don't need anymore slandering on this topic. End of story. You have the right to voice your own opinion but lets just cap it at that. You obviously have something against my proposal but I don't need you to start preaching to the choir.
We are not going back and forth as you don't give anything back. Don't tell me what I can and can not write on this topic.
Of course a scammer doesn't want to be called out on his scam, that's the nature of the scammer.
^ I'm too tired of going back and forth with you Jungian. Just keep whatever you have to yourself. I don't need anymore slandering on this topic. End of story. You have the right to voice your own opinion but lets just cap it at that. You obviously have something against my proposal but I don't need you to start preaching to the choir or start twisting my words around.
Even with the most elaborate business model, there's a chance it could be a scam regardless so it doesn't matter how enticing a proposal may sound.
Yes? So what? You don't offer ANY business model. If you have an elaborate businessmodel that work, you don't need to scam.
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In the end, it comes down to risk.
Yes, and you claim zero risk, because you say you'll pay the money back. That means this is a giveaway, so why do you want other people money? Just ask two people for their BTC-adress and send money there every 10 days.
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As the saying goes, "No risk, no glory", but I'm not implying people should risk into things blindly.
Yes you do, because there is no way to calcuate risk. Unless, of course, people would believe you and your claim of 0% risk. See my previous point for that.
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Everyone should practice self-diligence and do their own homework and not risk more than they are willing to lose. My yields are not guaranteed which is why I'm offering coverage for the investment.
No one can do homework, as you offer no way to value your work.
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You calculation for ROI is sound but only in a perfect world which doesn't have external factors limiting the outcome.
L O L - yeah in a perfect world you'd own every bitcoin by the end of the century. Enugh said
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Sort of sounds like a BTC calculator, people who don't understand how the market operates tend to believe the monthly ROI is set in stone and that is how much one will make.
So, why claim you have a monthy ROI if you can't stick to that claim
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Regardless, the yields I'm offering is high because this is a start-off. If/when I create a positive portfolio for myself, it's only natural that the yields will fluctuate.
L O L - you OFFER these yields. Not like you'd have a model that would return these models in the long run then.
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