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creepyjas started the process of analyzing why Mr Met would lie even though he claimed he was telling the truth, which is an important step in people seeing how a false confession is cultivated by interrogators, and coolcoinz noticed a few things that somehow nobody had noticed before and had the idea of a timeline to look at scenarios, which might be a gamechanger, so my suggestion is to split the bounty among those two, but you can also flip a coin or whatever to decide who gets the bounty.

I guess we'll split the pot then, if creepyjas and coolcoinz can provide me with an adress I'll send asap.


I think my comments put people off the topic so I'll avoid interfering.

This thread provides you with sparringpartners so your replies are sorely needed, and highly apreciated by those who try to understand the case.


Your thread not mine.

My thread upon your request, plus it's your BTC.





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I will update donation adress and OP tomorrow evening, I'm sort of busy.

Agruw could you announce who this weeks winner is so I can send bounty tomorrow?

creepyjas started the process of analyzing why Mr Met would lie even though he claimed he was telling the truth, which is an important step in people seeing how a false confession is cultivated by interrogators, and coolcoinz noticed a few things that somehow nobody had noticed before and had the idea of a timeline to look at scenarios, which might be a gamechanger, so my suggestion is to split the bounty among those two, but you can also flip a coin or whatever to decide who gets the bounty.

I think my comments put people off the topic so I'll avoid interfering.

Your thread not mine.



Wow, thanks! If it would be split to two, that's fine and fair. Smiley
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I will update donation adress and OP tomorrow evening, I'm sort of busy.

Agruw could you announce who this weeks winner is so I can send bounty tomorrow?

creepyjas started the process of analyzing why Mr Met would lie even though he claimed he was telling the truth, which is an important step in people seeing how a false confession is cultivated by interrogators, and coolcoinz noticed a few things that somehow nobody had noticed before and had the idea of a timeline to look at scenarios, which might be a gamechanger, so my suggestion is to split the bounty among those two, but you can also flip a coin or whatever to decide who gets the bounty.

I think my comments put people off the topic so I'll avoid interfering.

Your thread not mine.

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I will update donation adress and OP tomorrow evening, I'm sort of busy.

Agruw could you announce who this weeks winner is so I can send bounty tomorrow?
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Here are accurate links to the English translations.

All 5 tapes http://pastebin.com/u0L49ikk

Tape 1 http://pastebin.com/59LjA7xq 42.16 kb 466 lines
What’s your name?

Tape 2 http://pastebin.com/Cy6461kY 9.27 kb 121 lines
T.Where did this child watch


Tape 3 http://pastebin.com/gR984YPG 19.86 kb 158 lines
T-Didn’t you ever visit to


Tape 4 http://pastebin.com/140yTbg1 9.73 kb 182 lines
T-How did it happen? Explain them


Tape 5 http://pastebin.com/FzY8PEZb 4.74 kb 72 lines
T- Was that up stair, the ground

edit to add one tape has been reposted to delete material which has been replaced by "[deleted]". If you notice something in the tapes that you think is inappropriate mention it and the material may be deleted.  
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Met had a constant, unchanging story about Hser falling down from the stairs, that Hser will be telling this to her father, consoling the child and not to tell the father about what happened, and blood coming from the child's mouth. Hmmm. The broken hand... if you're going to pull a person forcefully, I'd still think that you will not break the hand in a weird angle. Putting Hser's body near his bed is also consistent...then changed to dragging the body to the bathroom. Translators also kept on asking if he had sex with the child - which he turned down immediately. The missing underwear... Looks like someone's setting up a rape-murder scenario.

One part that caught my attention, non verbatim: I will tell you that I put her there (in the bathroom). Please do not accuse anyone else (aside from me). Do not involve anyone in this accusation.

He confessed to a crime he didn't commit. "Confessed" because he thought that he was the reason why Hser died accidentally.

1) He started by saying he did not know the child was dead. He is very convincing in this, probably because he was telling the truth.

2) The interrogators gradually convince him that it is in his interest to confess, and to make the confession look like the truth. He has to do this for the benefit of the child, the child's family and his own family.

3) So he goes through his mind, based on his own experiences and knowledge and concocts a story that is 100% believable to him. But it should be 0% believable to anybody who has researched.

a) He starts with the basics he was told, dead child, blood on a wall, body downstairs.

b) He creates a story with those elements, but he gets the wall wrong and puts the body in the wrong place.

c) He lived his life in a refugee camp where death is informal. He had probably seen some deaths that vaguely matched 'the person convulsed a bit then was quiet', or maybe he saw that on tv. But it does not match the death.

d) He maintains his own integrity, in other words tries to keep some of his own personality, by challenging elements of the confession that are not believable to him. He does not believe it is possible that he would have raped the child and he tries to help his new 'friends' by refusing to put an element in his story that would not have happened.

4) In a regular confession what is shown on the video would be called "a preconfession" and would not be recorded. He was given the basics of the crime, enough information about the crime, and agreed to confess. The reason no follow up "real confession" was ever videotaped is probably because they never got his story close enough to the truth, and there was a lot of public scrutiny in the case. Easier to just bury the video in legalistic bullshit. Remember, both the prosecution and defense actively tried to keep the confession secret.

5) Of course his trial was not delayed for so many years because nobody could find a translator. Google existed back then, as did a lot of locally competent translators in that language. There was never any way to bring this case to a proper conclusion without reinvestigating the case, which would have led to a lot of lost jobs among police etc. It also would have opened up scrutiny of the Destiny Norton killing since most of the same people were working on both cases.

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RJX the op looks great but you should post a new btc address specifically for this case so it is separate from your regular address. If somebody wants to fund bounties there should be a specific address only for that.
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Met had a constant, unchanging story about Hser falling down from the stairs, that Hser will be telling this to her father, consoling the child and not to tell the father about what happened, and blood coming from the child's mouth. Hmmm. The broken hand... if you're going to pull a person forcefully, I'd still think that you will not break the hand in a weird angle. Putting Hser's body near his bed is also consistent...then changed to dragging the body to the bathroom. Translators also kept on asking if he had sex with the child - which he turned down immediately. The missing underwear... Looks like someone's setting up a rape-murder scenario.

One part that caught my attention, non verbatim: I will tell you that I put her there (in the bathroom). Please do not accuse anyone else (aside from me). Do not involve anyone in this accusation.

He confessed to a crime he didn't commit. "Confessed" because he thought that he was the reason why Hser died accidentally.
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added to OP:

Tape 4 English

Tape 5 English

Tapes 1 through 5 Burmese conversation translated to English

Tape 1 Burmese No translation

Tape 2 Burmese and English In original tongues, no translation
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For English speakers / Tapes 1 through 5 Burmese conversation translated to English  http://pastebin.com/u0L49ikk

Tape 1 Burmese, no translation http://pastebin.com/J02FibLX

Tape 2 Burmese and English, in original tongues, no translation http://pastebin.com/ybHGFq7j

Random link
https://twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/424254795394740224

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It looks like he moved the body to the shower to wash it, but didn't finish. The whole scene looks like the murderer was interrupted, which would be on par with my previous post. (1 roommate came back an hour early and the second one 45 min later, 15 min before his normal time of arrival)


Hadn't thought of that, it's a good point.

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There is more. There was a lot of blood everywhere.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542689/Esar-Met-guilty-killing-Hser-Ner-Moo-7.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542689/Esar-Met-guilty-killing-Hser-Ner-Moo-7.html
Yet, only small amount on Met's jacket, no traces on his body. He had no time to take a shower, so how did he get rid of blood from his clothes?
Why did he get it off his clothes and body, but not off the floor?
There are big stains on the floor that look like someone was trying to wipe them off. Were there no footprints leading from his part of the building to the staircase?

There was a footprint found from the killer and an expert testified it was consistent with Met's footprint, but he later admitted it was also consistent with the footprints of anybody else in that house.
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Was any DNA obtained from the girl's genitals? From what I've read there was no rape, the body was only made to look like it was raped.

As far as I know the public was never told that it was made to look like a rape, they were told a sexual assault happened. The only place that indicates it may have been somebody trying to make it look like a rape is the police report. I haven't researched dna evidence or tried to figure out the dna papers but most of them are variations of 'y strand dna was obtained from sample', 'evidence was inconclusive', 'not enough material is available to test' or various things like that. I'll post them when I'm able.


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The arresting officer stated that Met was calm and didn't seem to know why he's being arrested. How could they report that he run when the facts prove otherwise? He locked the door to his apartment and spent the whole evening with his siblings. People knew where he went, because the girl's mother phoned him.

The public, including future jurors, was told that he fled. Evidence that he did not was kept from the public when the judge issued a gag order in 2012 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865566454/Witnesses-in-Hser-Ner-Moo-case-testify-about-arrest-visit-of-murder-suspect.html

The people involved were probably told that the gag order was to reduce the chance of the crime escalating into an ethnic issue. This would have been credible to most Burmese. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18395788

Here is tape 4 English http://pastebin.com/yLP4pU7A

Tapes 1 through 4 English http://pastebin.com/efudJHbQ


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A lot of people look at one piece of the case against Mr Met and say for example
1) "the body was found in his shower, so he is the killer", but he knew his roommates schedule and if he had been the killer he would have moved the body
It looks like he moved the body to the shower to wash it, but didn't finish. The whole scene looks like the murderer was interrupted, which would be on par with my previous post. (1 roommate came back an hour early and the second one 45 min later, 15 min before his normal time of arrival)
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2) "there was blood from the child on his jacket", but the blood on his jacket is not what you would find if he killed the child. The blood would have had to have dropped on the jacket when it was parallel to the floor.
There is more. There was a lot of blood everywhere.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542689/Esar-Met-guilty-killing-Hser-Ner-Moo-7.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542689/Esar-Met-guilty-killing-Hser-Ner-Moo-7.html
Yet, only small amount on Met's jacket, no traces on his body. He had no time to take a shower, so how did he get rid of blood from his clothes?
Why did he get it off his clothes and body, but not off the floor?
There are big stains on the floor that look like someone was trying to wipe them off. Were there no footprints leading from his part of the building to the staircase?
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3) "dna from the Mr Met was under the victim's nails", but actually the dna under the nails was from a number of people and in all of those it was dead skin cell dna. Worse, if you look at the actual dna results it does not look anything like evidence against Mr Met. The only dna that was found in a context that would suggest it came from the killer was not from Mr Met.
Was any DNA obtained from the girl's genitals? From what I've read there was no rape, the body was only made to look like it was raped.
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4) "he confessed", but it's pretty well known in a lot of circles that confessions are easy to get unless you need them to be accurate. Any person can be made to confess to anything by a skilled interrogator who is after non factual confessions. Google 'false confessions'.
This is why he was sentenced. Had he not confessed there would have been no hard evidence and it would have been much harder to persuade the jury.
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5) "he ran from the police", but actually even though that is what the police reported it was not true.

The arresting officer stated that Met was calm and didn't seem to know why he's being arrested. How could they report that he run when the facts prove otherwise? He locked the door to his apartment and spent the whole evening with his siblings. People knew where he went, because the girl's mother phoned him.

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And so on. If you can find some piece of evidence against him that is stronger than the evidence against others then I'll give you a bounty. So far the strongest evidence against Mr Met is that he had scratches where he might have been scratched by the victim and he knew that the shoes had been thrown in or near the toilet. That's the sum total of real evidence against him. How does a simple guy with no education commit such a crime and not leave behind one piece of evidence?

I think there were more pieces of evidence like the hair, possible footprints, blood stains leading from Met's apartment to the one occupied by the four roommates. If there were bloodstains there must have been fingerprints. As an investigator I would have swiped the whole shower and hallway for fingerprints of the roommates. They all stated that they never went down to the basement, so finding their fingerprints there would prove they were lying. Why didn't they try lie detector on Met or the roommate, who came back first? I know such evidence is rarely used in court, but it would gave the investigators a reason to question them further.

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The real proof he probably did not do it though is the condition of the body. Utterly attacking the child with that kind of viciousness is not something he would have any motive to do. That motive would exist though among other possible suspects.
That's true, especially that such violent crime leaves a person full of adrenaline, that's why hit and run drivers usually escape and hide, drive home and pretend they're not at home. You need to be a real psycho serial killer to kill someone and continue with your daily routine.
I read that the prosecutor showed pictures of the naked victim to influence the jurors. This was a good move on his part, because after seeing what was done to the child, they started seeing Met as a monster. It didn't matter if he did it or not. People are emotional and these violent pictures played on their emotions.
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The op lists the 3rd tape as 'tape 2' and omits the second tape.

Here is what there is so far.

First tape http://pastebin.com/59LjA7xq or http://pastebin.com/HLUh5RhM
Second tape English http://pastebin.com/Cy6461kY
Third tape English http://pastebin.com/gR984YPG

The other two should be done soon.

Here is a longer term timeline to put the case in local context http://pastebin.com/KetF7bw0

Thanks for pointing that out, I made some changes and it should be ok now. I also added the 'longer term timeline' to OP.
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Why did police have to arrest somebody quickly in this case? http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/utah/ci_4091824

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It was as if, "he's a suspected law breaker, might as well put him in jail", even if Gregerson didn't really do anything. Maybe, it's easier for the police to pinpoint someone that has a high probability in doing the crime and close the case. Easy as pie - the case is off their shoulder.

That case isn't necessarily related, but after that case there was a lot of negative publicity and the police had to solve the Hser Ner Moo case quickly. They had two children disappear in a small neighborhood in two years, and both times the bodies turned up in neighbors' apartments that had supposedly been searched.

If there had not been an arrest quickly in the second case it would have been a career ender for a lot of high level cops because the amber alert was not issued until the next day. http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=8872390&itype=NGPSID

Whether Gregerson is guilty is a separate issue, he probably is, but that case was very poorly handled at every step. Met's guilt is much more doubtful. None of the evidence used in the Met case actually suggests he is guilty. The evidence is more consistent with his being innocent.

A lot of people look at one piece of the case against Mr Met and say for example
1) "the body was found in his shower, so he is the killer", but he knew his roommates schedule and if he had been the killer he would have moved the body
2) "there was blood from the child on his jacket", but the blood on his jacket is not what you would find if he killed the child. The blood would have had to have dropped on the jacket when it was parallel to the floor.
3) "dna from the Mr Met was under the victim's nails", but actually the dna under the nails was from a number of people and in all of those it was dead skin cell dna. Worse, if you look at the actual dna results it does not look anything like evidence against Mr Met. The only dna that was found in a context that would suggest it came from the killer was not from Mr Met.
4) "he confessed", but it's pretty well known in a lot of circles that confessions are easy to get unless you need them to be accurate. Any person can be made to confess to anything by a skilled interrogator who is after non factual confessions. Google 'false confessions'.
5) "he ran from the police", but actually even though that is what the police reported it was not true.

And so on. If you can find some piece of evidence against him that is stronger than the evidence against others then I'll give you a bounty. So far the strongest evidence against Mr Met is that he had scratches where he might have been scratched by the victim and he knew that the shoes had been thrown in or near the toilet. That's the sum total of real evidence against him. How does a simple guy with no education commit such a crime and not leave behind one piece of evidence?

The real proof he probably did not do it though is the condition of the body. Utterly attacking the child with that kind of viciousness is not something he would have any motive to do. That motive would exist though among other possible suspects.
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Why did police have to arrest somebody quickly in this case? http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/utah/ci_4091824

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It was as if, "he's a suspected law breaker, might as well put him in jail", even if Gregerson didn't really do anything. Maybe, it's easier for the police to pinpoint someone that has a high probability in doing the crime and close the case. Easy as pie - the case is off their shoulder.
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I'm all about the timelines as this is the easiest way to see if the facts match.

The child was last seen at 14:15
She's been coming to watch tv downstairs, without knocking.
Met left at 14:39
This gives him only 24 min to commit the crime, clean himself up and leave.
Myint Kyi arrived home at 16:00, which gives him 45m to commit the crime, that's 20 min more than Met would have had.
Maung Myo Mye returns home at 16:45 and says that his roommates usually return at 17:30. This means Myint Kyi was out of schedule on that day and he knew it. He knew he had at least an hour before his roommates come home, but on that day he wasn't the only one who came early. Maug also came back early, at 16:45, which might have caught Myint off guard. Maug thinks he's being questioned because of the blood stain on the floor, which shows he is scared, he thinks he's about to get charged, but the police decide not to push further. I suspect he knew everything, he came back the second and caught Myint washing himself and the two decided to cover up and blame Met.
The rest of the roommates came home at about 17:00, which could have been 17:30, because they do not give the exact time and Maug claimed that was their usual time of arrival.

They ate and continued to watch videos until 21:00. What were they doing later? It's reasonable to assume they went to wash themselves and prepare for bed.
The police search started at 20:45, why didn't they open the door. They were all inside and it's very unlikely none of them heard the knocking. Maybe they were drunk or high, why did nobody ask about that?
Out of over 20 searched apartments they were the only ones that did not open, even though they knew a girl was missing. What are the odds?

You posted the interviews with Maug and Ku Nu twice, but there is no statement from the 4th roommate, Po Dee.
Why did they ask so much of the first two, but Ku Nu was asked only a couple questions and allowed to walk?
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My suggestion is to try to always keep a little in the bounty fund, when the fund has a lot pay a lot, when the fund is dry pay little. Maybe start with 0.01 per week and if supporters add some then increase payouts, if not then drop down to 0.05. The address on your profile is the one people should use to help the bounty fund?

Some of the photos are up twice.

When I get back to where I have other material I'll send you a bunch of other stuff but it will be a few weeks. 

Ok I got you. Will use BTC0.01 for the best response, one every week for three weeks.

After that bounty will drop to BTC0.005 unless more funds are available.

The adress on my profile can be used for donations, will add it to OP.

double posted photos have been removed.
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I thought I missed the chance to reply to the case. This is interesting. I don't have any background in crime scene and such, but I love watching them. Let me have a try:

Issue 1
1. Does the fact that he was beaten by the police just before the interview not suggest a coercive atmosphere?
For me, beating a person before an interview establishes something like "tell what is in line and you'll be fine or tell whatever you like and you're dead".

2. Does that not suggest an element of coercion?
Since he was beaten before the interview, he is now under their influence. He is willing to give a confession just to eliminate the threats that he was given.

3. Does that not indicate coercion?
During an interview, IMO, the interrogator should have at least listened to Met. This is so they could get his part of the story.

4. Considering that he was in the country only one month, did not speak the language etc, does that not indicate that the police should have assumed a coercive atmosphere would exist even without the points above?
Since Met is not a native, it is clear to him that he must fear them [police] and must act accordingly.

Issue 2
Phone logs should have at least been checked whether Met was telling the truth that he indeed received a call from his uncle (that is requesting Met to buy sealant for his bike).

Issue 3
I really don't have any idea about getting a lawyer. But, is there a chance for him to get a Public Attorney from the Public Attorney's Office? But since Met is an "outsider", nobody cares about the truth and nobody cares about him.

Issue 4
If one of the roommates regularly comes home at a regular time, then coming home earlier than the usual is something - he could probably be doing something for that one hour of his time.
Also, any DNA samples or evidence should not be tagged as irrelevant since it may hold the key to unlock who the culprit is.

Issue 5
The body might not be that wet after 29 hours, just moist.

Issue 6
Broken bones in her arm may have been the result of giving her punishment - punishment from being to close to "a Muslim" because she was a Karen.

IMO, it seems like they really didn't bother to get the truth from this case since they already have a "suspect" for this case, and the suspect is an outsider.

This probably be too long to read. And sorry if what I have above didn't made sense.
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One issue isn't clear to me: I hold BTC0.03 and BTC0.025 for bounties and here I am told to pay 0.01 but here the bounty is 0.005

What to do?
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Problems in Hser Ner Moo murder case - Help review the case - Earn BTC

The translation has not been public yet as far as I know. It indicates that Met was not "fleeing" to his uncle's house, but went there to fix a bicycle his uncle had. Met gave the name of a person who bought the repair material so the police could check out the story. That person was a Muslim and it appears the police made no effort to contact the person. There is no mention of any attempt to contact the person in the version of the police report that I purchased legally from the police department.

Here is a longer term timeline to put the case in local context.


Some additional articles regarding the case (finds courtesy of creepyjas):

Experts: Murdered Utah girl Hser Ner Moo died a painful death

Utah murder victim's family tearfully testifies about her

Esar Met gets life without parole for murder of Hser Ner Moo

Burmese girl, 7, died a painful death 'after she was raped and brutally beaten by her Utah neighbor', experts testify after police officer chokes up on the stand




THE ISSUES

Issue 1

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¶55 After reviewing a video recording of the interview and a transcript, the district court ruled that the transcript could be admitted for impeachment purposes because “[Met's] statements to the officers were voluntary.” The court reasoned that the interrogation did not employ the types of coercive interrogation techniques that could lead to the conclusion that testimony was not freely given. For example, the district court noted that the interview lasted less than two-and-a-half hours; that the interrogation “techniques used by the officers in this case did not create a coercive environment that overcame [Met's] will”; that the officers were not unreasonably persistent; that the “interpretation problems, although pervasive throughout the interview,” were not coercive and did not cause Met to make incriminating statements; and that Met demonstrated a calm demeanor throughout the interview.
Esar Met, Appellant, v. State of Utah, Appellee.

1) Met was beaten during his arrest, just prior to the interrogation. The police had knocked down the door, he went to them to try and find out what was going on. They beat him to the point that there was blood on his clothing. Note that the blood on his clothing was tested and all of it was found to be his. It was only much later that a bloodstain on the back of his jacket was supposedly found.

Does the fact that he was beaten by the police just before the interview not suggest a coercive atmosphere?

2) During the interrogation he states that although he did not commit the crime, he is willing to give a confession. He also asks if he can speak to his mother before he is killed.

Does that not suggest an element of coercion?

3) During the interview he tries to give information regarding the day of the crime. The FBI agent cuts him off each time, saying things like 'no no no no no' any time Met tries to speak, unless Met says what the FBI agent tells him to say.

Does that not indicate coercion?

4) Met is Rohingya from Burma. Many of his relatives were killed in the past and are still being killed today.

Considering that he was in the country only one month, did not speak the language etc, does that not indicate that the police should have assumed a coercive atmosphere would exist even without the points above?

Note that the judges are now trying to portray the prosecution as having been okay with the confession.

a) Met's interests would have been served by having the confession visible for scrutiny by people knowledgeable about the mechanics of false confessions.
b) The prosecutors realized that if the confession were public and received any scrutiny by experts, there would be even more negative publicity regarding how the case was initially handled. So they went through hoops to keep the confession secret.
c) Once it had been made public, and was visible for scrutiny, they must have been
surprised that for 2 years nobody translated it.
d) An 'appeal lawyer' was hired to represent Met, but his actions suggest he had no interest in the facts of the case, he merely wanted to blow smoke for the prosecution, creating the appearance of a fair defense when the opposite was the fact.


Issue 2

In the confession found on tape 1, which the prosecution went to great lengths to keep secret, Met states that his uncle called him and said he had a problem with his bicycle. Met then went with a friend named Yanut to buy some sealant for bicycle tires. He arranged with his uncle to visit the next day and fix the tire. According to the state, depending on which piece of evidence you look at, Met either did or didn't leave abruptly to his uncle's house, he either did or didn't tell anybody where he was going.

a) If he did flee abruptly, and just by blind chance managed to select the right bus to take to another busstop that just by chance was the stop that had a connecting bus to the area where his uncle lived, then it would be an indication he fled and just by amazing chance ended up meeting his uncle.
b) The prosecution appears to give the impression the visit must have been unplanned, i.e., that he fled. There is no indication they checked phone logs to see if he had spoken with his uncle the day before. The evidence however suggests he did speak with his uncle by phone, that the police/fbi knew that he had, and that they misplaced that bit of research in order to allow the prosecution to pursue him as fleeing a murder scene.

Also note that the child was initially reported as having last been seen around 2:15 pm. If that were the case, Met would not have had time to kill the child and catch the bus. So the witnesses were 'interviewed' the same way Met was, until their testimony pushed the time back enough that he might possibly be the killer if he knew the bus routes and took the last possible bus he could have taken to his uncle's house.

Note/compare the statement under ¶15 in Esar Met, Appellant, v. State of Utah, Appellee.; When asked about Met, one of Met's roommates told the agents that he believed Met was at his cousin's house in Cottonwood Heights and provided a phone number. This, besides indicating that the prosecution lied about whether Met's visit was planned, by extension is another piece of evidence that his uncle received an interrogation similar to his, probably by an fbi fixer. His uncle would have more negative experience with police from Asia and could be relied on not to challenge the police version, unlike Met who has no family and is happy to live or to die.


Issue 3

Met obviously cannot afford a lawyer. The state obviously is not going to provide him with a lawyer who is interested in the truth. I do not have money for a lawyer to help him in that kind of case. It would probably be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend him in court properly.

What are his options? What would a person recommend be done in a case like this?


Issue 4

Have a look a the following snippets of text copied from police interrogation reports:











Should a person wonder why one of the roommates returned home an hour earlier than the others the day the child was murdered?

Should they wonder about the obvious discrepancies in the stories the roommates gave, including their knowledge of whether a child had gone missing?

Should a person wonder why the only DNA evidence from the crime scene, that might reasonably be seen as indicative of the killer, belonged to one of the roommates? And why did the police try to portray that evidence as "irrelevant", possibly the result of that roommate having spit betelnut juice previously on the spot where the victim had been killed?

New evidence prompts mistrial motion in Esar Met's murder trial - The Salt Lake tribune:

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But in several places in the basement where forensic analysts collected DNA swabs, the child wasn't the only DNA profile present, Grundy said. Most samples were too faint to tell who they might belong to, save one: a DNA sample collected from the west wall of the basement. /// There, Grundy said, experts were able to exclude everyone in the home as being possible contributors — including the defendant — except for ///


Issue 5

The issue of when Hser Ner Moo died is central to who might have killed her. The body was found 29 hours after Mr Met was known to have left the apartment, but was dripping wet from water, somebody trying to wash the body. In fact the body was so wet that it was commented on by the FBI agent during the 'confession' and by others. If he had tried to wash the body, would it still be dripping wet 29 hours later?

~The furnace was next to the bathroom and the door was open. Although it was chilly, the humidity was very low~


Issue 6

Notice that on tape 1 of the translations, he finally gives a confession. However, the confession is based on what he has been told and does not match the evidence that was gathered. There is one glaring problem even beyond that though, and a person who has not researched the case might not see it:

The child was found with her hand clutching a handful of hair she had yanked from an attacker. Sometimes when a person dies during a violent struggle some part of the body, such as the hands, can go into something like instant rigor.

That was the case when this child died. A person who examined the body said she may have been subject to abuse for perhaps up to an hour. The moment of death was abrupt though and may've been caused by a hard punch to the chest. The girl was very small obviously, her ribs would have been thin and the killer hit her hard enough to cause a substantial hole in her heart. This in addition to numerous heavy injuries to most of her internal organs, broken bones including a bone in her arm that was snapped to an odd angle etc. It wasn't remotely a sex crime. It wasn't an accidental killing. Somebody wanted to "teach her a lesson", or "punish her" for something. Remember, she was a Karin, the roommates are Karin, the translator is Karin. Met is not. One of the roommates made no secret of his dislike for people of Met's ethnic group. The child should not have been watching television with, riding a bicycle with etc somebody from Mr Met's ethnic group.


Issue 7 Counterpoint \ Is he guilty?

All of the other issues indicate that he did not commit the crime, in my opinion, but here are issues that suggest he may have. These are the only compelling reasons to consider him a suspect, in my opinion.

1) He says in part 2 on the interrogation that he threw the kid's shoes in the bathroom toilet. This was mentioned prominently a few times. The only question is whether there is evidence from the very first people at the scene that the shoes were in the toilet or around the toilet. As this is the most compelling evidence of his possible guilt, it's source as evidence, comparable to 'chain of possession' with dna, has to be examined.

Just as a sideline, and not likely related, there is a note in the police report stating that during the first search police saw shoes like the ones she had been wearing when they searched an apartment. The apartment had a locked door and the person at the house said they did not have a key to that door so the police left. Later they returned and asked if they could break the door. They were given permission, knocked down the door and the room was empty. That is one of only two references to shoes that I remember from the police report.

2) One person testified at trial that Met had scratches on his upper legs that could have come from a child. This would seem to be an indicator of guilt as long as a) the evidence was described accurately and b) the 'description' was interpreted accurately. That person was an expert in child assault cases and could generally be trusted not to understate the evidence. If it was clear that the scratches came from a child she would not use ambiguous language to help protect a child rapist or murderer. Her language does seem to have been a bit ambiguous though. She wanted to help with the prosecution but she was not able to go 100% with what the prosecutor said.

Are there other possibilities that explain the scratches on his upper legs? Actually he had scratches on a lot of his body, as the defense pointed out. From the early photos it is clear he has some skin problem. 30 days earlier he had been living in a refugee camp on the edge of tropical forest. Then he moved into a cheap apartment that may have had some creatures like bedbugs or other insects that made him scratch. hose two issues are the only ones that I notice as needing further research regarding Met.

Also, there was never any research done on the evidence that regards a roommate

3) If anybody finds other evidence that indicates he might be guilty then I will add it here. Please look at the case first though. To my knowledge the 'evidence', aside from the two issues raised here, points to his not being guilty.

Sidenote, if Met is given a fair shake and the feds burn a few local cops I'll delete all my posts on this topic, where I can, and send messages to anybody who has copied posts asking them to delete.If Met had not been prosecuted, if the state had chosen to follow the evidence and investigate the roommates, a large number of high level law enforcers would have lost their jobs. After the body was discovered, police went on a public relations offensive to portray themselves as having done things adequately. If Met is not guilty, as the evidence indicates, it suggests the police let him be prosecuted so they could keep their jobs.


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