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July 19, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
#31
OP trying to push that skill thing and it do actually pushes me too on how that CS:GO thingy works and out of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhGZ4Wo8WbY It do really acts as a roulette and i cant say timing wont really be a big factor yet chances would be still just the same. When you tried up to watch the video that dude do have 93% chance but still he almost lose up the pot to other guy which do have 7% chance.
I dont even see the skill required on here.

I've explained the skill a post or two above this one to the other dude

Him almost losing is indicative of gambling isn't it? Even on Bustabit if you cashout at 1.1x you will still occasionally lose. The odds for 93/7 aren't too far. That's the risk you take with gambling and it adds to the excitement of it all.
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July 19, 2018, 08:37:07 AM
#30
I don't want to be misunderstood, I have nothing against you or your website but what you are doing is false advertisement which is not okay. I told you before and I'm telling you again, those type of website don't work with Bitcoin community. They work with CS:GO skins because its mostly kids trying to "get rich" and then loosing it all. Bitcoin community is a bit more mature than that in my mind. There was a lot of attempts of creating (copying) CS:GO jackpot and all of them failed.

That's absolutely fair enough.

To say that the "get rich quick" mentality is mutually exclusive to CS:GO is something I don't agree with, on the other hand. I was notified on another forum of a high roller on Bustabit. https://www.bustabit.com/user/FREE-JBAY5



He's recklessly betting away 17 BTC each round. I think that is indicative of a problem that isn't just exclusive to CSGO, but rather the gambling community at large. While I'm sure there are those who enjoy it for the community aspect, there are others who do it for some quick gains. The remainder of the people are those who are addicted. That's 3 types of people.
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July 19, 2018, 08:32:15 AM
#29

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how this works. Please allow me to clarify: this isn't just a lottery website. There aren't any tickets to buy. There will be a count down. This is when people will be able to enter. You can absolutely skill and analyze whether to enter or not. There is skill, but it is luck as well, just like anywhere else.

I don't think you understand how it works. THERE IS NO SKILL there. And let me explain why. You claim that timing is important because you can "snipe" someone by betting big if you see small pot. But let me ask you. Does timing affect my chances of winning ? In other words will I have better chances of winning if I come in late ? The answer is no. And lets see the example. There is 100$ pot and I put in 900$ before timers runs out. I own 90% of the tickets and have 90% chance to win. The other scenario, I put in 900$ straight away (people may or may not want to bet after that) and someone put in 100$ after me. I still have the same 90% change of winning. So the conclusion is timing does not affect my chances of winning so I don't need any skill to win, just luck.


The risk is that someone could deposit $9,000 which makes your $900 chump money. Timing is important in this regard. It stops even higher rollers from entering and taking your money. I honestly don't see this happening with our game though. There will be multiple channels with higher minimum amounts required to bet to allow for higher rollers to compete with each other.
hero member
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July 18, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
#28

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how this works. Please allow me to clarify: this isn't just a lottery website. There aren't any tickets to buy. There will be a count down. This is when people will be able to enter. You can absolutely skill and analyze whether to enter or not. There is skill, but it is luck as well, just like anywhere else.

I don't think you understand how it works. THERE IS NO SKILL there. And let me explain why. You claim that timing is important because you can "snipe" someone by betting big if you see small pot. But let me ask you. Does timing affect my chances of winning ? In other words will I have better chances of winning if I come in late ? The answer is no. And lets see the example. There is 100$ pot and I put in 900$ before timers runs out. I own 90% of the tickets and have 90% chance to win. The other scenario, I put in 900$ straight away (people may or may not want to bet after that) and someone put in 100$ after me. I still have the same 90% change of winning. So the conclusion is timing does not affect my chances of winning so I don't need any skill to win, just luck.

And you should understand what your game is, which is a lottery. Yes you cannot buy tickets up front but its the ticket system in the back. Each satoshi = 1 ticket maybe or something like that. So, it is just a pure lottery website.

I don't want to be misunderstood, I have nothing against you or your website but what you are doing is false advertisement which is not okay. I told you before and I'm telling you again, those type of website don't work with Bitcoin community. They work with CS:GO skins because its mostly kids trying to "get rich" and then loosing it all. Bitcoin community is a bit more mature than that in my mind. There was a lot of attempts of creating (copying) CS:GO jackpot and all of them failed.
OP trying to push that skill thing and it do actually pushes me too on how that CS:GO thingy works and out of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhGZ4Wo8WbY It do really acts as a roulette and i cant say timing wont really be a big factor yet chances would be still just the same. When you tried up to watch the video that dude do have 93% chance but still he almost lose up the pot to other guy which do have 7% chance.
I dont even see the skill required on here.
legendary
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July 18, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
#27

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how this works. Please allow me to clarify: this isn't just a lottery website. There aren't any tickets to buy. There will be a count down. This is when people will be able to enter. You can absolutely skill and analyze whether to enter or not. There is skill, but it is luck as well, just like anywhere else.

I don't think you understand how it works. THERE IS NO SKILL there. And let me explain why. You claim that timing is important because you can "snipe" someone by betting big if you see small pot. But let me ask you. Does timing affect my chances of winning ? In other words will I have better chances of winning if I come in late ? The answer is no. And lets see the example. There is 100$ pot and I put in 900$ before timers runs out. I own 90% of the tickets and have 90% chance to win. The other scenario, I put in 900$ straight away (people may or may not want to bet after that) and someone put in 100$ after me. I still have the same 90% change of winning. So the conclusion is timing does not affect my chances of winning so I don't need any skill to win, just luck.

And you should understand what your game is, which is a lottery. Yes you cannot buy tickets up front but its the ticket system in the back. Each satoshi = 1 ticket maybe or something like that. So, it is just a pure lottery website.

I don't want to be misunderstood, I have nothing against you or your website but what you are doing is false advertisement which is not okay. I told you before and I'm telling you again, those type of website don't work with Bitcoin community. They work with CS:GO skins because its mostly kids trying to "get rich" and then loosing it all. Bitcoin community is a bit more mature than that in my mind. There was a lot of attempts of creating (copying) CS:GO jackpot and all of them failed.
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July 18, 2018, 09:32:07 AM
#26

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how this works. Please allow me to clarify: this isn't just a lottery website. There aren't any tickets to buy. There will be a count down. This is when people will be able to enter. You can absolutely skill and analyze whether to enter or not. There is skill, but it is luck as well, just like anywhere else.
legendary
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July 16, 2018, 06:46:29 AM
#25

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.

no not really , all the games and sites that you mentioned are purely luck and there is no skill involved
but you are tying to promote your site as a skill game but there is no skill at all not even 1% , it's a pure lottery and it's so wrong to say it's skill
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July 16, 2018, 03:59:21 AM
#24
Not a game of skill.

What I can say, I've been here for years and you are not the first one to try this with Cryptocurrencies. What most people do is find some csgo betting site for free and pay someone 50$ to change the deposit/withdraw system. You wonder why you don't see sites like this ? Its because they all failed. People are just not interested in "betting" this way with crypto.

I'm sorry you feel this way, but that's not how I intend to do business. Let clarify, I'm hiring people to code a back-end, front-end and do graphics. There is no repackaging of an already existing game. This is all unique to us.

People are interested in this type of betting. SkinJoker is a very popular website. The reason why I would assume that most websites fail isn't because of lack of interest. It has to do with their own finances. I have this all considered and more information regarding marketing and finance will be coming out in the next few days.

Thank you.
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July 16, 2018, 03:56:26 AM
#23

If a player decides to snipe, they can increase their chances before anyone else can enter. This can give them a massive chance to win.

jesus !!! how is that a skill !! their chances won't change in terms of EV
if they snip with big amount that means they have higher chance to win but also the payout will never worth the risk they take

I don't know how you call this skill , it's pure chance and you are taking a fee so it's not even profitable

a skill game is a game that a good person can benefit from to at least lower the house edge ( like blackjack ) or even being +EV ( like poker and sportsbetting )

still can't believe you are calling this a skill game

Every gambling website is more luck than skill. Bustabit is about being lucky enough to cashout before it crashes on a certain number. PrimeDice is about being lucky enough to get below/above a number. SatoshiMines is about being lucky enough to not hit a mine.

Luck and skill aren't mutually exclusive. Both can exist. It's just about ratio of luck to skill. It's possible to be strategic in games like BustaBit, PrimeDice and SatoshiMines but at the end of the day they all depend on luck. That's gambling.
legendary
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July 15, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
#22

If a player decides to snipe, they can increase their chances before anyone else can enter. This can give them a massive chance to win.

jesus !!! how is that a skill !! their chances won't change in terms of EV
if they snip with big amount that means they have higher chance to win but also the payout will never worth the risk they take

I don't know how you call this skill , it's pure chance and you are taking a fee so it's not even profitable

a skill game is a game that a good person can benefit from to at least lower the house edge ( like blackjack ) or even being +EV ( like poker and sportsbetting )

still can't believe you are calling this a skill game
legendary
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July 15, 2018, 11:44:32 AM
#21
Not a game of skill.

What I can say, I've been here for years and you are not the first one to try this with Cryptocurrencies. What most people do is find some csgo betting site for free and pay someone 50$ to change the deposit/withdraw system. You wonder why you don't see sites like this ? Its because they all failed. People are just not interested in "betting" this way with crypto.
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July 15, 2018, 10:17:33 AM
#20
There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it Huh or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

still not clear to me , please give me an example how skills in choosing the time of entry can change the result
make the example like if the pot has X then a player decided to enter at Y what difference would that make ?

have tried to read the concept over and over again , still not able to see anything related to skills

If a player decides to snipe, they can increase their chances before anyone else can enter. This can give them a massive chance to win.
legendary
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July 15, 2018, 05:19:18 AM
#19
There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it Huh or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

still not clear to me , please give me an example how skills in choosing the time of entry can change the result
make the example like if the pot has X then a player decided to enter at Y what difference would that make ?

have tried to read the concept over and over again , still not able to see anything related to skills
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July 14, 2018, 10:59:06 AM
#18
I hope you're all doing well!

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house.  Huh

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

I agree that this is a problem. It's a problem with the entire provability system itself though. The owner of Bustabit said that the number generates before the game starts to prevent it from sniping big players. Whether or not he's telling the truth is an entirely different proposition. I think it's still good to implement provability fair regardless.


You can't really call it a provably fair system, I don't think its fair to market it as a game with provably fair when you the house can still see the result before the game ends and just hop-in and play. I'm not saying you would do that. Nothing wrong with your game not being provably fair it would just require peoples trust, otherwise imagine what will happen when you release the game and have the "provably fair" section which only "verifies" the bets and nothing else.

Maybe you could create an open source smart contract if you use ETH for the game
If its btc maybe you could implement "stretching function", but that would make the games longer
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July 14, 2018, 07:02:16 AM
#17
There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it Huh or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.
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July 14, 2018, 06:58:34 AM
#16
I hope you're all doing well!

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house.  Huh

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

I agree that this is a problem. It's a problem with the entire provability system itself though. The owner of Bustabit said that the number generates before the game starts to prevent it from sniping big players. Whether or not he's telling the truth is an entirely different proposition. I think it's still good to implement provability fair regardless.

Not 'something new' entirely.

I've seen things like this on multiple occasions - and yes, in the crypto sphere, not somewhere else.

Things like fish bite fish cross my mind.

Never heard of that one and Google doesn't show much.

It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

I've thought about this too. That's why I believe there should be multiple servers that people can participate in with minimum amounts. The incentive for big players to snipe smaller players won't be there when they could instead bet with other high rollers on their own network. Basically, if you have fees each round and a whale comes along to bet then the fees won't make it worthwhile.

To answer your question: yes!


This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.


As far as I understand this game basically turns out to be just about the money? Can you, let's say, but 100% of tickets and win? If the difference in the price of the ticket and the prize is big enough it would still make sense. At the same time it would make the game fair. I mean there are so many people, who bet and gamble when they don't have much money just because of the hope to win. With your rules whose people will see their chances to win and won't get involved eventually.
PvP idea sounds great to me, each one will want to invest more to gain more and that's how the game gets more interesting - the prize cost rises, right?
And about working with you - do you consider paying cash, or is it just the % of a profit, that one will get for work?

The prize comes from the placed bets itself. It would be impossible to have a single person betting. The game at the very minimum requires two people to work.

If I were to pay cash, it would have to be for a finished product, not hours worked. But that would be at sacrifice of your future share of the profits. I think it's better to receive a continuous payment month-after-month than just a single payment. Are you in this for short-term gains or long-term?



We're still looking for a backend developer!
hero member
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July 13, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
#15

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.


As far as I understand this game basically turns out to be just about the money? Can you, let's say, but 100% of tickets and win? If the difference in the price of the ticket and the prize is big enough it would still make sense. At the same time it would make the game fair. I mean there are so many people, who bet and gamble when they don't have much money just because of the hope to win. With your rules whose people will see their chances to win and won't get involved eventually.
PvP idea sounds great to me, each one will want to invest more to gain more and that's how the game gets more interesting - the prize cost rises, right?
And about working with you - do you consider paying cash, or is it just the % of a profit, that one will get for work?
legendary
Activity: 2016
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July 13, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
#14
It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

thats a good question,usually PVP games are difficult to verify in terms of fairness
since admins have access to the hashes and can simply create an account and bet against you
this is almost impossible to control and many sites tried and failed,name a famous PVP gambling site out of the head?
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RuneScape OG
July 13, 2018, 05:25:56 AM
#13
It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?
legendary
Activity: 2016
Merit: 1107
July 12, 2018, 03:44:09 PM
#12
I like the idea and the "white paper"
but since you don't have the project complete just yet,would not it be better to post this in project development instead
not sure how close ou are to going live,but I will surely be waiting for this one,something new and a breath of fresh air
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