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Topic: Proof that Satoshi was not an individual. (Read 3324 times)
Crowd: Messiah! Messiah!
Brian: I'm NOT the Messiah, now go away!
Random guy: I'm the Messiah!
Crowd: Behold! The Messiah!
Brian: I'm NOT the Messiah, now go away!
Random guy: I'm the Messiah!
Crowd: Behold! The Messiah!
Satoshi: Look, you've got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!
you may be right
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.jpg/800px-Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.jpg
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.jpg/800px-Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.jpg
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
Anonymous are a freaking joke, V for Vendetta is a great movie regardless.
you may be right
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
Anonymous are a freaking joke, V for Vendetta is a great movie regardless.
Nah, the movie completely missed the point of the comic book. They made it into a superhero flick with the dumbest ending possible (totally not the same message as the book).
you may be right
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
Anonymous are a freaking joke, V for Vendetta is a great movie regardless.
Assuming that Satoshi remains more or less anonymous, it will be interesting to see how he/she/they are regarded in the future. Given that very little much is known about Satoshi, individuals or groups could see what they want in the idea of Satoshi.
Who is John Galt Satoshi?
Satoshi is Obama long lost half brother. Case closed.
Definitely some script kiddie that moved on to other projects, cough, Silkroad.
Also nakamoto2 looks dumb compared to s_nakamoto, so he switched it.
Also nakamoto2 looks dumb compared to s_nakamoto, so he switched it.
I still cannot believe, how people dont think that Hal Finney Is Satoshi.
A guy who published a method on "Detecting Double-Spending" in 1993,
I mean come on, the internet was not even invented and he has thought about this.
A guy who published a method on "Detecting Double-Spending" in 1993,
I mean come on, the internet was not even invented and he has thought about this.
Interesting conjecture. From the "Bitcoin and Me (Hal Finney)" thread:
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The timing correlates quite well with Satoshi's disappearance. Also, Hal would have an old-school coding style consistent with Satoshi's. I'm of the opinion that Satoshi is a single individual. There are a number of people from the old cypherpunks list who could have pulled it off.
i'm satoshi, eh.
Satoshi could just be a group... a group of brilliant minds that include Mochizuki and Hal Finney.
Perhaps each Sourceforge account had different privileges; one admin and one regular contributor. An experienced user would, by default, prefer to avoid unintended admin errors. So, this is proof of nothing. We do know Satoshi is clever, so their anonymity is a choice and not one we have much chance of checking. Also, it is better this way; celebrity we don't need, as that brings personality and other weaknesses.
I suspect, given the quality, that it's simply a parallel output from a government project, with all the expected strong methods; references; and quality output. A single mind would produce better more consistent output but it's very likely built on the shoulders of other well resourced and experienced developments. I'd be surprised if the Governments hadn't been looking at what internet money could be. Potentially then it is a deliberate publish too; for all the default to conspiracy, there are good people in government and occasionally they get it right.. or maybe it's a mix of all the above. Does the source matter - I don't think so.
I suspect, given the quality, that it's simply a parallel output from a government project, with all the expected strong methods; references; and quality output. A single mind would produce better more consistent output but it's very likely built on the shoulders of other well resourced and experienced developments. I'd be surprised if the Governments hadn't been looking at what internet money could be. Potentially then it is a deliberate publish too; for all the default to conspiracy, there are good people in government and occasionally they get it right.. or maybe it's a mix of all the above. Does the source matter - I don't think so.
Ted Nelson, who coined the term hypertext says, in this YouTube video, that he knows who Satoshi is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=emDJTGTrEm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=emDJTGTrEm0
Crowd: Messiah! Messiah!
Brian: I'm NOT the Messiah, now go away!
Random guy: I'm the Messiah!
Crowd: Behold! The Messiah!
Brian: I'm NOT the Messiah, now go away!
Random guy: I'm the Messiah!
Crowd: Behold! The Messiah!
I have known these facts for some time and was waiting for more concrete facts before posting but due to the resurgence of "who is/I found Satoshi" threads decided to start this thread.
There were two people registered under the public name of Satoshi Nakamoto, the original was nakamoto2
Joined: 2008-10-05
User ID: 2238460
http://web.archive.org/web/20091130163943/http://sourceforge.net/users/nakamoto2 (cached page from Nov 30 2009)
Then 2 months later s_nakamoto with the same public name of Satoshi Nakamoto joined
Joined: 2008-12-10
User ID: 2321442
http://web.archive.org/web/20091129020634/http://sourceforge.net/users/s_nakamoto (cached page from Nov 29 2009)
nakamoto2 registered the project with sourceforge 2008-11-09 18:58
http://web.archive.org/web/20090106201347/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/
Why would Satoshi register himself and add himself to the project twice with the same name unless of course he wanted to create the illusion that more than one person was a single entity.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090106201347/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/#item3rd-6 (cached page from Jan 06 2009)
s_nakamoto added hal to the Bitcoin project, 4 weeks ago
nakamoto2 added s_nakamoto to the Bitcoin project, 4 weeks ago
nakamoto2 added the bitcoin.pdf file, 1 month ago
nakamoto2 registered the Bitcoin project, 2 months ago
So who was/is satoshi nakamoto?
My original thoughts were Hal Finney but as can be seen from the cached pages he wasn't brought on board till 2 months after, I have my suspicions but need more proof as my search results into the other suspect don't seem to make sense time-wise, I think Hal and my other suspect thought they were working with a genuine idealist. My guess is there is some government involvement as I have stated before, probably UK with some collusion with the USA (alterations to DNS records and cached pages).
The search continues.
There were two people registered under the public name of Satoshi Nakamoto, the original was nakamoto2
Joined: 2008-10-05
User ID: 2238460
http://web.archive.org/web/20091130163943/http://sourceforge.net/users/nakamoto2 (cached page from Nov 30 2009)
Then 2 months later s_nakamoto with the same public name of Satoshi Nakamoto joined
Joined: 2008-12-10
User ID: 2321442
http://web.archive.org/web/20091129020634/http://sourceforge.net/users/s_nakamoto (cached page from Nov 29 2009)
nakamoto2 registered the project with sourceforge 2008-11-09 18:58
http://web.archive.org/web/20090106201347/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/
Why would Satoshi register himself and add himself to the project twice with the same name unless of course he wanted to create the illusion that more than one person was a single entity.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090106201347/http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/#item3rd-6 (cached page from Jan 06 2009)
s_nakamoto added hal to the Bitcoin project, 4 weeks ago
nakamoto2 added s_nakamoto to the Bitcoin project, 4 weeks ago
nakamoto2 added the bitcoin.pdf file, 1 month ago
nakamoto2 registered the Bitcoin project, 2 months ago
So who was/is satoshi nakamoto?
My original thoughts were Hal Finney but as can be seen from the cached pages he wasn't brought on board till 2 months after, I have my suspicions but need more proof as my search results into the other suspect don't seem to make sense time-wise, I think Hal and my other suspect thought they were working with a genuine idealist. My guess is there is some government involvement as I have stated before, probably UK with some collusion with the USA (alterations to DNS records and cached pages).
The search continues.
None of that means anything, or is proof of anything.
Everyone has had multiple accounts on a site, for a variety of reasons. Posting limits, etc.
Satoshi was - for lack of a better word - paranoid. Except it's not called that when they're actually after you, or there's an objectively strong case that they might be in the future. It's called being careful. Who knows why those registrations happened? Not me - and not you.
I am Spartacus Satoshi!
you may be right
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
well if an entity power want to track who he is is not impossible to do, just demand ip addresses of his email, github, sourceforge, or wherever he showed up, there could be a time when he did not surf on tor. Interesting question is what's the reasons he(or they) has to hide his identity ?
I'm satoshi.
but I'm Satoshi Nakamoto and I did all by myself for the love of mankind
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