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legendary
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August 09, 2016, 11:22:07 PM
#30
While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.


As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.

Charles Hoskinson is an insider, having worked with Bitshares and whatnot, so I don't think he counts as an example of steemit's credibility. Although I'm sure there is some useful stuff unfortunately 90% of steemit links I find here are:

1) posted by authors themselves; and
2) utter garbage.

As for some other shitcoin having shitty links... I'm fine with it as long as it stays in their own thread and doesn't infect the rest of the forum. There are perfectly valid ways to share one's point of view, e.g. quote the text or post it on neutral platform and link it that way instead of expecting everyone to participate in someone's misguided idea of how to "monetize" garbage.

Hoskinson's post had nothing at all to do with Steemit; he just posted a blog there, as have many other people including a number of prominent cryptocurrency (and non-cryptocurrency) personalities having nothing at all to do with its development. It was related to his returning to work on Ethereum (via ETC), where he was one of the original founders. I also don't think he has anything to do with Steemit; your claim he is an insider is unsupported and probably incorrect. Just because he once worked with some of the same people at a different company/coin doesn't make him an insider.

As for others prominent people blogging there who may, and probably will, be quoted on this forum based on the substance of their posts, I'd list Jeff Berwick (known popularly as "The Dollar Vigilante"), Benbrick (successful songwriter), Rick Falkvinge (Pirate Party founder), Larkin Rose (tax protester), Brenda Zambrano (Playboy Playmate), Barry Cooper (drug war opponent), and many others. None of these people are insiders or have any involvement with running Steemit afaik.

I had several posts of mine deleted from this forum that were in the Steem ANN thread, presumably because they contained links to the site. I was not the author of the Steemit posts. The links related to posts that were highly relevant to the adoption of the coin and therefore speculation on the coin. This is discussion right at the core of the entire purpose of the Altcoin section of this forum. I strongly protest the deletion of those posts.

The Dash Nation thread is not the Dash ANN thread. It is another discussion thread created solely for the purpose of link spamming.

So I agree with most of your comments here, except that the moderation that is occurring does not follow those guidelines either in the positive or the negative. Change is needed.
legendary
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August 09, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
#29
While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.


As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.

Charles Hoskinson is an insider, having worked with Bitshares and whatnot, so I don't think he counts as an example of steemit's credibility. Although I'm sure there is some useful stuff unfortunately 90% of steemit links I find here are:

1) posted by authors themselves; and
2) utter garbage.

As for some other shitcoin having shitty links... I'm fine with it as long as it stays in their own thread and doesn't infect the rest of the forum. There are perfectly valid ways to share one's point of view, e.g. quote the text or post it on neutral platform and link it that way instead of expecting everyone to participate in someone's misguided idea of how to "monetize" garbage.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1036
August 09, 2016, 10:23:32 AM
#28
Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?

The hottest pyramid scheme right now. Also before going down the rabbit hole make sure to get enough bots upvoting your blog posts so it's guaranteed that you will be raking in the big bucks in no time  Grin

Oh and by the way the circlejerking over there absolutely puts Bitcointalk to shame  Grin I wonder when people will realize they are getting underpaid to post the useless crap they are posting here anyways and do a massive exodus to over there where the grass is always greener  Grin
legendary
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August 08, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
#27
I'm so old and ignorant, I don't even know what steemit is.  Going to Google it now.  But if these are essentially shitposts or referral links,  then yeah, nuke them.   There's a lot of stuff I'd like zapped off this forum,  and you have to start somewhere.   I'm all for this.

Edit:  ok I sort of have an idea of what it is now.  When people here fight over the chance to make 0.0005 sat, I can see how this would be 1) Popular,  and 2) An opportunity to get our forum shat upon. 
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
August 08, 2016, 08:22:06 PM
#26
It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)

I just had 9 legit post removed in the Steem thread... Kinda horse shit.

I don't really care about the link, but there was conversations in there and it was in the proper thread.

That's annoying to say the least...  Please keep mprep at bay a tiny bit.

Agree. Look, in the STEEM thread (or other relevant discussion threads) it is impossible to discuss the development and market for the coin without posting links.

There have also been some pure spam link posts in the Steem thread (i.e. not part of a discussion, just someone saying 'Please upvote'), but there needs to be a distinction made.
legendary
Activity: 4018
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
August 08, 2016, 08:21:25 PM
#25
Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?

Here is an example of a bug that was found and reported on Steemit and Bitcointalk.

(note that this was a post in the Steem thread... related to Steem... and not shady... seems it falls into Theymos guild lines of not to be deleted, but was anyways.


I bet your post time by one minute Tongue

https://steemit.com/steemit/@bayareacoins/so-you-think-you-are-limited-to-5-tags-for-your-post-now-wrong-click-here-to-learn-how-to-get-your-article-listed-with-6-tags

It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
August 08, 2016, 08:19:30 PM
#24
Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?
legendary
Activity: 4018
Merit: 1250
Owner at AltQuick.com
August 08, 2016, 08:16:33 PM
#23
It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)

I just had 9 legit post removed in the Steem thread... Kinda horse shit.

I don't really care about the link, but there was conversations in there and it was in the proper thread.

That's annoying to say the least...  Please keep mprep at bay a tiny bit.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
August 07, 2016, 11:25:31 PM
#22
While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.


As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.
legendary
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August 07, 2016, 07:41:01 AM
#21
My vote on this proposal.
legendary
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August 07, 2016, 07:13:58 AM
#20
Bumping this to the top +;

It's imperative that steemit links (posts) be removed from the forum if they don't offer any notable content other than the steemit outside link.

Some examples here:



New service- Post anonymous and author keeps 100% SteemDollars.

https://steemit.com/steemitanon/@pjheinz/post-anonymous-and-author-keeps-100-steemdollars


While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

EDIT:


As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
August 03, 2016, 08:49:11 AM
#19
That's kind of irrelevant to whether people linking to blog posts or discussions should be banned.

Nowhere did I suggest that people should be banned. I suggested to make links unclickable or at least moderate them as any other ref links, given that the author has a direct financial incentive to get people to visit his/her blog and sign up for the website.

Poor phrasing on my part. I didn't mean to suggest there was a call for banning the people, only the practice of linking.

I don't see a good reason to make links unclickable unless they have a high risk of leading to malware. This doesn't qualify.

Unless it is an actual steemit ref link (?r=referrer) the linker derives no direct financial benefit if someone clicks through and then signs up. If someone clicks through, signs up, goes back to the very same page, and then upvotes the post, well author of the blog post might make a penny (or quite possibly literally zero), since new signups have negligible voting power.

These links are not an attempt to gain a direct financial benefit, or if they are the person doing it is clueless about how the system actually works.

legendary
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August 03, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
#18
That's kind of irrelevant to whether people linking to blog posts or discussions should be banned.

Nowhere did I suggest that people should be banned. I suggested to make links unclickable or at least moderate them as any other ref links, given that the author has a direct financial incentive to get people to visit his/her blog and sign up for the website.
legendary
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August 03, 2016, 07:35:12 AM
#17
My understanding is that the "authors" get paid for "upvotes", so yes, the users have to be signed in and click some button or something. New users get some free upvotes but apparently the idea is that eventually they'll need to pay (once the premine runs out?).

Nobody ever has to pay, at least not for many years when the business model could change. The upvotes don't "run out" (they do recharge if depleted by overuse over five days, at no cost).

Steemit is a blogging and discussion platform. The there are certainly low quality links to crap, and those should be evaluated on substance (or lack thereof), but most of the links are just links to people's biog posts or discussion, the same as medium, reddit, etc.

So the money is produced out of thin air?

It's basically mining. (Yes you can "mine" a little by self-voting but it is much less efficient than if others vote for you.)

Wasn't it promoted as "no premine" but the developers somehow ended up owning most of the coin supply?

You can go read the thread yourself. They told everyone right up front they were going to mine it very aggressively in order to try to obtain 80% of the initial supply (there is no fixed supply; it inflationary) and then use those coins according to a specific business plan. Literally speaking there was no premine, as anyone else could start mining the same time they did. There was even a relaunch with 24 hours notice or something, giving everyone a second chance to starting mining at the same time they did. (Personally I thought it was scammy for them to promote it as "no premine" under the circumstances of their efforts to obtain most of the supply, but as I said, literally that was and is accurate.)

That's kind of irrelevant to whether people linking to blog posts or discussions should be banned.
legendary
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August 03, 2016, 07:32:46 AM
#16
My understanding is that the "authors" get paid for "upvotes", so yes, the users have to be signed in and click some button or something. New users get some free upvotes but apparently the idea is that eventually they'll need to pay (once the premine runs out?).

Nobody ever has to pay, at least not for many years when the business model could change. The upvotes don't "run out" (they do recharge if depleted by overuse over five days, at no cost).

Steemit is a blogging and discussion platform. The there are certainly low quality links to crap, and those should be evaluated on substance (or lack thereof), but most of the links are just links to people's biog posts or discussion, the same as medium, reddit, etc.

So the money is produced out of thin air? This is so much better then, especially with the self-voting: https://steemit.com/money/@ubg/welcome-to-my-money-farm

As for quality - the garbage is what brought my attention to it, I didn't know anything about steem until I started seeing links to their "articles". I don't think I've seen anybody spamming their @medium links like that, or random noobs begging for upvotes on their reddit posts. Must have something to do with the financial incentive.

Sir, it seems to me that calling something a scam without supplying any evidence to back your words, is the actual scam.
You are implying dishonest intentions of other people while being quite ignorant.

Wasn't it promoted as "no premine" but the developers somehow ended up owning most of the coin supply?
newbie
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August 03, 2016, 05:53:44 AM
#15
It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin...

...the shadyness of steem/steemit...

Sir, it seems to me that calling something a scam without supplying any evidence to back your words, is the actual scam.
You are implying dishonest intentions of other people while being quite ignorant.
legendary
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Merit: 1048
August 03, 2016, 04:08:08 AM
#14
It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)
You just butthurt, I'm not saying steemit is perfect and we all have our doubts, but atleast you won't censor anybody, seems funny that "scams are not moderated" but if something smells a bit fishy and affects your site directly it is a problem.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
August 03, 2016, 02:44:18 AM
#13
My understanding is that the "authors" get paid for "upvotes", so yes, the users have to be signed in and click some button or something. New users get some free upvotes but apparently the idea is that eventually they'll need to pay (once the premine runs out?).

Nobody ever has to pay, at least not for many years when the business model could change. The upvotes don't "run out" (they do recharge if depleted by overuse over five days, at no cost).

Steemit is a blogging and discussion platform. The there are certainly low quality links to crap, and those should be evaluated on substance (or lack thereof), but most of the links are just links to people's biog posts or discussion, the same as medium, reddit, etc.


legendary
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https://bpip.org
August 02, 2016, 11:49:00 PM
#12
Thanks guys. I'll keep reporting the most blatant ones then.
administrator
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Merit: 13032
August 02, 2016, 03:35:59 AM
#11
It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)
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