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karisiak123

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I strongly agree there is a support proposal but I will not know when the proposal will be made ,, hopefully there will be no obstacles.

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I suppose I should get in on this, just to show I care.

	BIP141	BIP148	BIP149	SegWit2x	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive/BIP106	BU/EC	Bitmaincoin
Foxpup	Prefer	Deficient	Acceptable	No	No	No	ROFL	OMGWTFBBQ

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Lauda

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Quote from: mindrust on July 07, 2017, 02:17:38 PM

This will end up just like I predicted.

2 and maybe even more versions of bitcoin will exist and every bitcoin fork will claim that theirs is the tr00 bitcoin. Well that just has to happen I guess and there is nothing to do to prevent it.

Neither Jihan nor BU coin are Bitcoin in any way possible. Claiming that they are something which they clearly are not will not work as long as there are a lot of people on the *other side* of things.

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 03:30:26 PM

Sigh.. Ranting, insulting, twisting, BSshilling. Cant fix that. Take Carlton into your SWcoin and fork off.

Bullshit. Read the whitepaper and try to actually understand it, idiot.

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Quote from: Lauda on July 07, 2017, 01:51:02 PM

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

Why? If its due to the SN white paper? Where is the issue?

If you think that the definition of Bitcoin is literally only "the longest PoW chain" then you fundamentally understood nothing from the whitepaper. Stop falsely quoting Satoshi.

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

If you would write a proper white paper on SW we all can do a nice diff and see that SW is an alt, not the others with just a 2mb change.

You are either ill or a government/corporate/institute/agency paid baboon. Nobody in their right mind could think that a privately mined chain, which alters consensus rules without anyone elsees consent is Bitcoin.

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

With SW you softly fork into a softer security model. Your SW coin will be of soft price. Thx

No.

Quote from: DooMAD on July 07, 2017, 01:48:44 PM

I guess Carlton was right when he questioned whether excluding users with low ranks and/or negative feedback would produce the results you would expect or not. I figured we might see a few "prefer"s for EC, but I wasn't really expecting much in the way of Bitmaincoin support.

I don't mind lowly educated individuals to vote for EC, but BitmainCoin is everything but Bitcoin.

Quote from: DooMAD on July 07, 2017, 01:48:44 PM

Still, I suppose the community is littered with altcoins that had a significant premine, so I guess some don't feel as strongly about it as others.

The right wording is "individuals who are solely fueled by greed and do not have/care for any fundamental values".

Sigh.. Ranting, insulting, twisting, BSshilling. Cant fix that. Take Carlton into your SWcoin and fork off.

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This will end up just like I predicted.

2 and maybe even more versions of bitcoin will exist and every bitcoin fork will claim that theirs is the tr00 bitcoin. Well that just has to happen I guess and there is nothing to do to prevent it.

Quote from: mindrust on July 04, 2017, 02:48:50 PM

Quote from: JessicaG on July 04, 2017, 01:54:00 PM

Quote from: mindrust on July 01, 2017, 04:40:28 PM

The merchants and the community will have different opinions too. Merchant A will say "I only accept bitcoin bipXXX" and Merchant B will say "I only accept 8mb Bitcoin" There will be countless versions of bitcoins. The majority chain won't always get the 100% support. Once we get into the Hard Fork business there will be no end to it.

Yes!
And they are already among us...!
Dozens of them, even hundreds...
For years, actually...
We call them 'altcoins'... Wink

And which bitcoin fork will be "altcoins"? No altcoin ever claimed that it was the real bitcoin. Would you support it if zcash changed its name into bitcoin? Because that's exactly what is going to happen with bitcoin.

Bitcoin.org and Bitcoin.com will be promoting completely different blockchains. When somebody goes to an exchange to buy some bitcoins he'll be offered bitcoin bip148, bitcoin unlimited, bitcoin classic, bitcoin bip xxx and so on...
And what about the merchants? How the hell people will be able to spend their coins to buy stuff then? Merchants will say "Fuck this shiet i'm out!"

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Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

Why? If its due to the SN white paper? Where is the issue?

If you think that the definition of Bitcoin is literally only "the longest PoW chain" then you fundamentally understood nothing from the whitepaper. Stop falsely quoting Satoshi.

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

If you would write a proper white paper on SW we all can do a nice diff and see that SW is an alt, not the others with just a 2mb change.

You are either ill or a government/corporate/institute/agency paid baboon. Nobody in their right mind could think that a privately mined chain, which alters consensus rules without anyone elsees consent is Bitcoin.

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 12:26:46 PM

With SW you softly fork into a softer security model. Your SW coin will be of soft price. Thx

No.

Quote from: DooMAD on July 07, 2017, 01:48:44 PM

I guess Carlton was right when he questioned whether excluding users with low ranks and/or negative feedback would produce the results you would expect or not. I figured we might see a few "prefer"s for EC, but I wasn't really expecting much in the way of Bitmaincoin support.

I don't mind lowly educated individuals to vote for EC, but BitmainCoin is everything but Bitcoin.

Quote from: DooMAD on July 07, 2017, 01:48:44 PM

Still, I suppose the community is littered with altcoins that had a significant premine, so I guess some don't feel as strongly about it as others.

The right wording is "individuals who are solely fueled by greed and do not have/care for any fundamental values".

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Quote from: Lauda on July 04, 2017, 05:30:55 AM

Are you brain dead? Something that is privately mined for 72 hours by a single company, then released into the *wild* is NOT Bitcoin.

I guess Carlton was right when he questioned whether excluding users with low ranks and/or negative feedback would produce the results you would expect or not. I figured we might see a few "prefer"s for EC, but I wasn't really expecting much in the way of Bitmaincoin support. Still, I suppose the community is littered with altcoins that had a significant premine, so I guess some don't feel as strongly about it as others.

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Quote from: Lauda on July 07, 2017, 11:11:52 AM

Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 11:04:18 AM

	BIP141 SegWit	BIP148 UASF	BIP149 Timeout	SegWit2x / New York Agreement	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive	Emergent Consensus	Bitmaincoin
hv_	NotSN	NotSN	NotSN	Compromis	beFree	No	Bitcoin	SN_Bitcoin

The following applies to you too, idiot:

Quote from: Lauda on July 04, 2017, 05:30:55 AM

Are you brain dead? Something that is privately mined for 72 hours by a single company, then released into the *wild* is NOT Bitcoin.

Why? If its due to the SN white paper? Where is the issue?

If you would write a proper white paper on SW we all can do a nice diff and see that SW is an alt, not the others with just a 2mb change.

With SW you softly fork into a softer security model. Your SW coin will be of soft price. Thx

Lauda

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Quote from: hv_ on July 07, 2017, 11:04:18 AM

	BIP141 SegWit	BIP148 UASF	BIP149 Timeout	SegWit2x / New York Agreement	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive	Emergent Consensus	Bitmaincoin
hv_	NotSN	NotSN	NotSN	Compromis	beFree	No	Bitcoin	SN_Bitcoin

The following applies to you too, idiot:

Quote from: Lauda on July 04, 2017, 05:30:55 AM

Are you brain dead? Something that is privately mined for 72 hours by a single company, then released into the *wild* is NOT Bitcoin.

hv_

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	BIP141 SegWit	BIP148 UASF	BIP149 Timeout	SegWit2x / New York Agreement	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive	Emergent Consensus	Bitmaincoin
hv_	NotSN	NotSN	NotSN	Compromis	beFree	No	Bitcoin	SN_Bitcoin

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[td][glow=yellow,2,300]beFree[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
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[td][glow=#00FF66,2,300]SN_Bitcoin[/glow][/td]
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spartacusrex

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SpartacusRex

Prefer

Acceptable

LOL

ForkYourMotherIfYouWantFork

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[td][glow=#00BB44,2,100]Acceptable[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#00BB44,2,100]Acceptable[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]LOL[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]LOL[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]LOL[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]ForkYourMotherIfYouWantFork[/glow][/td]
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Oooooo.. this is a very funky topic DoomMAD. Thanks.

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Oddly enough, there have not been a lot of people posting their preferences. I doubt that it is because they do not "care". I think that the main issue here is that, one side is spreading a lot of misinformation (both do, but one does a lot more than the other). I often get questions, or even paid consulting jobs where people want explanations for all of these proposals/terms.

Quote from: sgbett on June 29, 2017, 10:29:21 AM

	BIP141 SegWit	BIP148 UASF	BIP149 Timeout	SegWit2x / New York Agreement	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive	Emergent Consensus	Bitmaincoin
sgbett	No	No	No	Weak.	Deficient	No	Bitcoin.	Also Bitcoin.

Are you brain dead? Something that is privately mined for 72 hours by a single company, then released into the *wild* is NOT Bitcoin.

ibminer

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	BIP141 SegWit \|	BIP148 UASF \|	BIP149 Timeout \|	SegWit2x / New York Agreement \|	Extension Blocks \|	SegWit Adaptive \|	Emergent Consensus \|	Bitmaincoin
ibminer	Prefer	No	No	NO!	Deficient	Weak	NO!	NO!

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[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NO![/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]Deficient[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=cyan,2,100]Weak[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NO![/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NO![/glow][/td]
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https://youtu.be/ejorQVy3m8E

mainpmf

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That's a good idea. It'll give an idea of the position of everyone

mainpmf

Prefer

Acceptable

NODON'TDOTHAT

Acceptable

no

No

NO

NO WAY

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[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NODON'TDOTHAT[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#00BB44,2,300]Acceptable[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]no[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NO[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]NO WAY[/glow][/td]
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	BIP141 SegWit	BIP148 UASF	BIP149 Timeout	SegWit2x / New York Agreement	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive	Emergent Consensus	Bitmaincoin
sgbett	No	No	No	Weak.	Deficient	No	Bitcoin.	Also Bitcoin.

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[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=cyan,2,100]Weak.[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]Deficient[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#00FF66,2,300]Bitcoin.[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#00FF66,2,300]Also Bitcoin.[/glow][/td]
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franky1

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having to lower my standards...

franky1

Weak

no

Better than nothin

Weak

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prefer

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[td][glow=cyan,2,100]Weak[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]acceptable[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]prefer[/glow][/td]
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even though i reduced my standards.. its just the cludginess of the bips related to segwit.. the empty promises/ half gestures..
and still reliance of devs controlling when the next blocksize increase occurs (meaning endless debates lasting a couple years)

its like they offer you a spoon of sugar but then put a fly on top

DooMAD

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I guess the timing of this thread wasn't ideal, since any further additions would likely be influenced by the unprecedented (and rather spectacular) shift in mining support towards a certain proposal, potentially skewing the results. It's not yet a foregone conclusion, though. Plus it's still interesting to compare everyone's preferences. So I hope people don't lose interest in the idea. I'm still paying attention and will continue to update the list as necessary.

Quote from: franky1 on June 20, 2017, 12:26:32 PM

good to see an implementation finally showing the main block size increase... and with a ~3 month from now activation.

Now that you've taken another look at it, did you still want to declare "weak" for SegWit2x, or should I amend that?

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good to see an implementation finally showing the main block size increase... and with a ~3 month from now activation.

seems i should keep my eye on updates daily, rather than sporadically(few times a month/when they announce RC versions)

im guessing things like this can change peoples opinions if all the other 'brands' followed suite with the same commits..
lets wait and see

........
i just wonder how many blocks are waving flags.. but not running the actual implementation that has the code. thus basically sybil flagging

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Quote from: theymos on June 18, 2017, 11:06:30 PM

There are many very different "Segwit2x" proposals, but BIP91 is absolutely not one of them. It doesn't involve any max block size increase except for SegWit. BIP91 is a way of activating the original BIP141/BIP9 deployment at an 80% mining threshold rather than the original 95% threshold.

The working group Core code for Segwit2x is at
https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin

I never heard about any other Segwit2x code with which all the NYA signers would agree with.

About the "It doesn't involve any max block size increase except for SegWit" where you got franky1 already tricked by him saying "all the 'promises' of increase to a 2mb base block miss out on actually including code that actually includes a 2mb base block"

Commits on Jun 16, 2017:
https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/commit/c11c37b0d6cf434b6565b2d70ed5aa2b1e63ba3e

most relevant code for the 2MB:

+/** BIP102 block size increase height */
+static const unsigned int BIP102_FORK_MIN_HEIGHT = 485218;

-static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_BASE_SIZE = 1000000;
+static inline bool BIP102active(int nHeight, bool fSegwitSeasoned)
+{
+ if (!fSegwitSeasoned)
+ return false;
+
+ if (nHeight < (int)BIP102_FORK_MIN_HEIGHT)
+ return false;
+
+ return true;
+}
+
+static const unsigned int MAX_LEGACY_BLOCK_SIZE = (1 * 1000 * 1000);
+inline unsigned int MaxBlockBaseSize(int nHeight, bool fSegwitSeasoned)
+{
+ if (!BIP102active(nHeight, fSegwitSeasoned))
+ return MAX_LEGACY_BLOCK_SIZE;
+
+ return (2 * 1000 * 1000);
+}

obviously removed MAX_BLOCK_BASE_SIZE is replaced with new logic to check whether block is invalid at many other lines, just check the Segwit2x pull commit code if interested

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This should turn out to be interesting at the end

	BIP141	BIP148	BIP149	SegWit2x	Extension Blocks	SegWit Adaptive/BIP106	BU/EC	Bitmaincoin
azguard	Prefer	Acceptable	No	Prefer	Deficient	Deficient	No	No

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[td][glow=#00FF66,2,300]Prefer[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]Deficient[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=yellow,2,300]Deficient[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
[td][glow=#FF4444,2,300]No[/glow][/td]
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