Protest can give the right solutions?

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Quote from: Subbir on January 03, 2020, 10:28:54 PM

Quote from: akram143 on January 03, 2020, 07:46:32 AM

In India you will be arrested even if you are protesting for good cause and peaceful way.

If needed police can damage the public properties and complaint the cases against protestants.

Not only in India but in most countries of the planet the govt is creating problems when it involves doing something right. There are few countries whose head of state wants everyone to measure in peace Moreover, the governments of most countries don't understand the advantages of citizens They create political problems and check out to become profitable.

In democratic countries,they will get chance to express and governments may get into some discussions with the protestants but in India there is no effort from government to talk with anyone,they tries to prove they are doing right now even asked citizens to support missed call campaign for their act.In digital world any amount of missed call can be given to specific number and can prove they are majority here.

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Quote from: akram143 on January 03, 2020, 07:46:32 AM

In India you will be arrested even if you are protesting for good cause and peaceful way.

If needed police can damage the public properties and complaint the cases against protestants.

Not only in India but in most countries of the planet the govt is creating problems when it involves doing something right. There are few countries whose head of state wants everyone to measure in peace Moreover, the governments of most countries don't understand the advantages of citizens They create political problems and check out to become profitable.

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Protests may not always provide the right solution but if we see any anti-social activities, we should protest but in our society this does not mean that the ruling party has more influence here. If you want to change the country you have to choose a good leader On the Indian road Modiji continued to work and returned to firing religious reforms instead of obeying the rules.

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If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

Protest can be effective and can give solution if fhe volunteers are well informed and are not with self motives. Protest leading to loss of properties , injuries and even fatalities are to be dealt harshly and police have to conduct their work to maintain peace and not let vandalism continue.

In India you will be arrested even if you are protesting for good cause and peaceful way.

If needed police can damage the public properties and complaint the cases against protestants.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 21, 2019, 08:23:48 AM

If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

Protest can be effective and can give solution if fhe volunteers are well informed and are not with self motives. Protest leading to loss of properties , injuries and even fatalities are to be dealt harshly and police have to conduct their work to maintain peace and not let vandalism continue.

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Quote from: codegnome on January 01, 2020, 10:49:15 AM

Protest can help resolve matter if done properly – Yes, it can help resolve the matter in democratic countries since it is people who matters. India claim to be biggest democracy of the world so people have the right to protest. You have to struggle for your rights they are not given so easily.

In India, you have to protest-

If you want to eat meat.

If you want to live.

If you want a job.

But still they are claiming biggest democracy of world.Fuck yaa...

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Protest can help resolve matter if done properly – Yes, it can help resolve the matter in democratic countries since it is people who matters. India claim to be biggest democracy of the world so people have the right to protest. You have to struggle for your rights they are not given so easily.

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Quote from: deadthings on December 31, 2019, 11:32:32 AM

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I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

Let human live in peace no matter where they live and what religion they follow. I am sure Indian government will find a solution to this problem which is disturbing minorities in there country. Life is short, another year passed. Can this forum members do anything to bring peace in countries where its required?

Pakistan government discriminating the hindus but it doesn't means India should do the same thing to Muslims,Indian muslims has no relation with Pakistan so punishing their own citizen is the stupidity at its worst.If you want help hindus of Pak then make a war and bring peace in their country don/t be an idiot modi ji.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on December 29, 2019, 10:48:14 AM

I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

Let human live in peace no matter where they live and what religion they follow. I am sure Indian government will find a solution to this problem which is disturbing minorities in there country. Life is short, another year passed. Can this forum members do anything to bring peace in countries where its required?

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Quote from: longyenthanh on December 29, 2019, 09:28:19 AM

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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report

If they are going to enforce the rule in India then they are inducing civil war in their country but AFAIK the bill related to proving nationality is not going to be implemented in real soon so the only issue will be CAB.

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They'd care... if there's enough outrage. This assumes of course that the government can't just silence dissidents. Obviously protests don't work in dictatorships, they've secured power without needing the people.

I'm not sure about India. It is a democracy (afaik) but I don't know how powerful are the institutions that secures its democracy is.

Quote from: longyenthanh on December 29, 2019, 09:28:19 AM

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report

I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 29, 2019, 02:41:01 AM

Quote from: ubercool on December 28, 2019, 06:21:25 AM

Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report

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Quote from: ubercool on December 28, 2019, 06:21:25 AM

Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

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Quote from: ubercool on December 28, 2019, 06:21:25 AM

Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

Being in majority doesn't mean that you stop caring for a minority group who are protesting for there rights. Government is like owner of house who has to take care of everyone right at home. Indian government must address these issue so they remain stable in years to come.

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Quote from: akram143 on December 21, 2019, 08:23:48 AM

If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

Protest done in right way with shared objectives can give right solution or atleast make authorities take actions. Having personal motives , lack of information and violence can never lead to peace and consensus. Everyone does have the right to vocal their veiws , but violence should be dealt strictly and culprits must be punished

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 22, 2019, 08:27:13 AM

Quote from: akram143 on December 21, 2019, 08:23:48 AM

If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

@akram143 I’m not from India but in my country there’re many Indians and these protests are a hot topic out here, but in my opinion these protests are not effective because there’s no positive response yet from the Indian government. The only option you’ll can exercise is to file suits in Court and pray that the judge will rule in your favour, but if the judge rules in governments favour then you’ll can do nothing about it.

Modi government did this in Kashmir also (a Muslim majority disputed region). Now CAB/CAA is targeting muslims in India and they are the one who are majority of protesters. Even Indian supreme court is fully supporting every act of Modi government and no decision has been given againest Modi government that's one more reason y ppl not going to courts

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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

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Well it's not the same for all governments. Some are democratic governments are pretty tolerant towards protesters and sincerely listen to their plights. Some, like in hong kong, end up pretty violently. The side of the protesters also don't prove to have the right solutions. They fight for what they think is right on a certain issue though that can end up having worse results.

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I also think that if you choose the way to protest in the current era it will not be heard by the government. actually not only in India, even in my country. victims fell but did not reach consensus and solutions. it's better to meet face to face with both parties and make fair decisions.

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Quote from: tsaroz on December 26, 2019, 10:26:50 AM

In a real democracy, there's no use of protest for building or resisting laws and rules as the desire of public can be expressed through votes. But in a dictatorship, protest could be the only way to make a change.
At present context, almost all of the so called public protest are influenced by international catalyst than self arising within the population.

Most of the politicians forget their promises once they reached powers so they will become more powerful than dictators?

Courts also favours governments even if whole society is against their decision.

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