Topic: PSA: Covert agents manipulate, deceive, and DESTROY REPUTATIONS - page 2. (Read 949 times)

Exactly. He is like the murder suspect who gets asked a simple question about where he was on the night of the incident, then blurts out something about how the bloodstains on his shoes are from cutting himself on a broken bottle last night when no one asked. He thinks he is a fucking mastermind. He is a tool.

Surprised that many thought this alt would be nullius, that's not what came to mind for me. Pretty sure nullius would post it themself, under their own account, if this is the message they were trying to get across. Sub-par grammer isn't nullius' style either, nor is aggressive & ugly looking formatting.

Another user did come to mind though, someone who used to be DT but is now highly excluded and arguably had their reputation destroyed.

A few clues to join in this game:

- A lot of bold and red (in a somewhat "erratic" manner) being used
- Selective cutting of quotes to fit agenda or message being conveyed
- Grammer would of needed some tidying up with some help though

But ultimately, if the topics relevant it should be discussed, rather than speculating on who's alt it is (which is a lot more interesting it seems).
Also: TL:DR it all, my bad. Just skimmed over the formatting personally and got the drift... kinda.




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The substance was not ignored. There was no substance.

Stop pretending you didn't inject a spelling error so you could use it as some faux defense the waffle wall was not of your own boring construction.

Looks like nullius turned up and avoided any detailed exploration of the bogus and misleading crap his alt spewed out at the start of the thread.

Meet the challenge or just weasel off back under laudas skirt and continue devouring its anal secretions.

Nulluis posts are simply one big look at how smart I'm desperately trying to sound while avoiding the central and core points.
Obviously the discerning reader who isn't going conflate using Latin and flowery waffle to present feeble and weak arguments with a convincing and credible case will just be laughing at him.

Those motivated by sigs and greed will clearly be supportive of his scammer supporting double standards bogus reasoning .

So get down to specific examples in the OP, who they relate to with evidence to support your views that will stand up to scrutiny.

Stop trying so hard to "sound" smart. Debunk clearly some central points that you are trying to discredit or
create your own robust points or head off to the i speak latin and self taught my self the classics forum with all the other fat ugly bitter girls that never get fucked. 

I don't care if you can spell correctly and have memorized a bunch of stuff you think you can inject everywhere to make yourself sound smart to morons.

You say the post has substance.  Bring your evidence. How does the stuff he copied and claims applies here to trolls and those poor defamed DT members "really apply" or is it a pile of crap? And another bunch of desperate excuses from scammers and their scammer supporters like nullius the moronic double standards cowardly turd?

Quote from: eddie13 on March 11, 2020, 04:27:13 PM

Interesting thing I just realized..

Nullius is Latin for nobody/anonymous..

Ploni Almoni is hebrew for "john doe"/anonymous..

Thanks.  You just increased my anonymity set to everybody who has ever used any variation of “Anonymous”, “Nobody”, “John Doe”, or any conceptually related placeholder name in any language.  Helpful. :-)

Quote from: eddie13 on March 11, 2020, 12:57:15 PM

Oh shit it’s working.. Now I’m paranoid..

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Quote from: Ploni Almoni on March 11, 2020, 01:15:22 AM

"I am Sparticus!"

Sure, whatever:  I am he; he is I!

(But he misspelt “Spartacus”.  Would I do that?  —Quickly, someone must run and check whether “Sparticus” has ever been used by Quickseller and/or PrimeNumber7.  —And would I quote ahistorical movie movie magic made for the purpose of American Communist agitprop?  No offence to OP, but—alas, my reputation must be suffering.)

Anyway, yes, let’s ignore the substance.  It is more important to play guessing games about OP’s identity!

Quote from: Ploni Almoni on March 11, 2020, 01:13:06 AM

Quote from: Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept (2014-02-24)

[— important facts that most people want to ignore —]

Merited by nobody (and I am out of sMerit for now)

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2020, 05:54:41 AM

I would strongly urge you to read literature on this topic if you think that this is not happening in most online communities that present a threat to the system. It is very very improbable that this has not been going on for many years here already.

Quote from: Lauda on March 11, 2020, 10:26:45 AM

It is very probable that some trolls are agents, but the supermajority of them are not and thinking otherwise is paranoid.

QFT.

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Oh, whoops, almost missed this due to my habit of skimming past sock trolls:

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on March 11, 2020, 04:22:57 PM

Lol. Notice how this thread appears thread appears the day after the lauda nullius duo get their own dedicated scammer proof thread?

Say what!?  I didn’t even know that there was such a thread, let alone “proof” of nonexistent scams by the “lauda nullius duo”.

Most crypto related sites are under heavy surveillance, more than once I stumbled upon different state agents, sometimes even just being crypto followers. If we look back at the silkroad 1 out of 3 main owners was infiltrated.
This can get really worrying if we think about different accounts and having a whole section perhaps working on engineering specific entities, not only trying to make them talk but to behave and do things wrong so they can later pay up.
Creating specific situations to mold things for their perspective to be right since they teamwork.
One must be extra careful till crypto traffic is so big it cannot be under control which might take a bit with all the FUD going on.

It is known cunts recieve orders from above and as any good dog will listen. They quite a few i know for sure, also note that sometimes just surveillance is around when a identity cannot infiltrate.

There are some other really obvious tells, but I am not going to give them more hints so they can use it to be a better con next time.

Whats wrong Nullius? Tuckered out already? Maybe you and Lauda can get together and leave me some more negative ratings because I said you are hunting through my turds for peanuts because you never literally hunted through my turds for peanuts (I mean hopefully you haven't, but who knows), and accusing me of being a liar because of this. I predict yet another sock filtering out of the woodwork to attack me now that you have quite thoroughly burned both of your reputations with this ham-fisted spy game LAARP.

Interesting thing I just realized..

Nullius is Latin for nobody/anonymous..

Ploni Almoni is hebrew for "john doe"/anonymous..

While English uses phrases like John Doe or A N Other to refer to an unnamed or unspecified person, in Hebrew we say ploni almoni or just ploni. In discussing hypothetical scenarios, the Talmud uses ploni to refer to a witness, a bridegroom, or whatever the case maybe.
https://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewish-words/ploni-almoni-1.15782

latin lessons..
hebrew lessons..

hmmm

Lol. Notice how this thread appears thread appears the day after the lauda nullius duo get their own dedicated scammer proof thread?

Lauda here defending this nullius composed garbage.
Of course it is possible but the proof that is full of shit is

1_ no specfic examples

2_ i guarantee there will be no analysis or examination of any examples

Just another day of fun crushing scammers and their toadies.

Always the same

1_they pump out lies and bullshit, then they run away when you offer to examine their "theories" with them in public.

Or

2_ they claim you are lying and trolling, then they run away when you offer to examine the evidence in detail with them.


Prove me wrong.  It is small wonder so many "agents" are unable to resist joining in and punishing scamming scumbags and their friends in their spare time.


Nullius please hurry up and bring the specific examples you want to work through in public.
These agents must be identified and these innocent upstanding members " reputations" must be restored where required.

What is taking so long? 

Definitely looking like nullius. The waffle wall is looking as delicious as ever.

Licking my chop.

A WOT duel between cryptohunter and nullius. I wanted to say "this should be fun" but it's probably going to be extremely boring. Good for CH - not a lot of people still talk to him.

I think this guy is on to something.

Please provide examples.

1. Which member has their reputation been destroyed?

Let's use this thread to examine this web of lies and deceit they have tried to cast over our eyes.

Or do you mean whistle blowing on confirmed scammers and their double standards hypocritical mates?

2. I want to avoid these agents. Can you point some out?

I want to grill them publicly and see if they crack or run away now? These evil agents that hate chipmixer?

Or may be these people are sick of dark star sponsoring a bunch of greedy, self interested scammer supporters?
They may think darkstar should stop the nepotism to his mates and rotate the chip mixer spots to all good posters that have no scammer supporting or trust abusing in the histories ?


The best way to tell if this is nullius. 

1. Long flowery pretentious screed that is desperate for you to notice how smart and knowledgeable they are.

2. Their entire wall of waffle falls to pieces one you apply even mild scrutiny or pressure.


Let's see if it is nully or not.

That is just your spidey sense.

Well, he just attempted to give me a lecture on hebrew.. Does that count?

Also tried baiting me into a debate about Jews in a topic about censorship, so maybe he is the agent and this op is to sow exactly the paranoia it describes...

Spidey sense has a slight tingle of projection..
Oh shit it’s working.. Now I’m paranoid..

Nullius being targeted? Now I know it is you

-Long winded: CHECK
-Pedantic: CHECK
-Fondness for excessive formatting: CHECK
-Fondness for self aggrandizing historical references: CHECK
-Casting Nullius as a target: CHECK
-Not so subtle digs about objective standards: CHECK
-Familiar with techniques to manufacture consensus: CHECK
-Presenting the role of being righteous while demonstrating motives of a perp: CHECK

All that is missing is a Latin lecture.

Are you accusing Edward Snowden and Glen Greenwald of having made an April Fool's joke?

There is a reason why I opened with documented facts. Not speculation or Internet navel-gazing.


You omitted this:

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Why yes, because the best way to present important information is to avoid attention. Attention is the last thing I want for the message.

And I am obviously not trying to get pay attention to me. I am good enough at that otherwise, thank you very much. For the privilege of covering up my name so as to focus on the message, I paid >0.002 BTC to set up a throwaway account where I can post images... then deliberately mangled what I said with the style of at least 3 well-known users. I think this message is very important.


Try striking a balance. See OP for suggestions how.


Intelligence (and counterintelligence) work, and also ordinary police-detective work, operate on the balance of probabilities in the face of intentional deception and concealment of evidence. I am very sorry that I could not deliver an extended lesson on that in a "TL;DR" megapost that nobody would read. I want to raise awareness, make people think. Foolish of me, perhaps; but I've got to try.

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Yes, that happens; and the Snowden dump of the information in OP's quoted article also happened. But the evidence is rarely so clear-cut. Rather than tilting at windmills and searching for THE TRUTH, I suggest the practical, intentionally quite general advice in OP.

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Kicking around on the Internets, I have been accused of being a CIA pro troll, an NSA hacker, an FBI agent, a Mossad agent, an FSB agent, and a few dozen others. Well, being accused of being Nullius and/or following him? Most evil of all, LOL! (Cue accusations of being other users whom I believe are being targeted...)

Stop looking for names, and take the advice in OP about words and actions, what people reveal about their goals, etc.

Very interesting subject..
I have been interested in the subject of shills, fudders, sliders, glowbaiters, etc. for quite a while and I could see motive to sow discord around here and possibly also infiltrate positions of influence..

I'll read the rest of the linked article in the OP later and maybe add some interesting information I have come across on these tactics of such shill groups as shareblue and "russian bots"..

Their was a recent case of an agent being outed posting bait on 4chan, as nutildah mentioned, by releasing a report with screenshots of "you" in the ID of posts iirc..
It does happen and they do slip occasionally..

What's with all the pompous, arrogant, self-righteous hypocrites popping up around here all of the sudden?  Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this trend?  Maybe nullius has inspired them to come out of the closet and show us "who they really are."

What is wrong with the way it was presented? I can speculate who is behind it and reasonably guess, but the content is more important to me.

It is very probable that some trolls are agents, but the supermajority of them are not and thinking otherwise is paranoid.

Good example. What kind of threat do people on 4chan present to the government and what kind of threat do people on this forum present? The invested resources against Bitcoin are considerably higher.

Sorry but the entire OP reeks of a bloated sense of self-importance and I'm 95% certain I know who is behind it. There's ways to go about presenting information in a way that doesn't demand attention, and this isn't one of them.

On one hand he's accusing trolls of being government agents, and on the other hand he's saying "don't be paranoid." Kind of a mixed message if you ask me.

I mean, the one CIA guy who was caught infiltrating 4chan (or was it 8chan, one of the chans...) was pretty dumb. So I suppose it could happen, and it could be found out, but cryptohunter isn't in on it. Neither are bad englished sockpuppets with an axe to grind with the Chipmixer campaign. Even if they were, I don't see what this thread is going to do to stop them. Telling people to be vigilant about a "threat" that cannot be quantifiably ascertained isn't very helpful.


As likely as any other scenario.

Ploni Almoni is working for CIA.