Topic: Pulled- Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign Now Accepts Bitcoins through Tradehill! - page 3. (Read 8098 times)

But the simple fact that the money is being delivered to the bundler in the form of a check gives the bundler some clue as to the identity of the donor, or at the least in what nation they bank.  Could a bundler accept a cash donation?

I'm hardly an expert in US election finance law, but my understanding is that this is not TradeHill's responsibility. When you write a check to a candidate to donate to their campaign, does your bank ensure you can legally donate to the campaign? If you FedEx the donation, does FedEx check that? TradeHill is just acting as the donor's agent, just like other bundlers do.

To disreguard everything else someone says because they don't believe in evolution is pretty lame.

I'm not religious at all but I don't even know if I believe in evolution.  Its a nice theory.

As far as this thread, I think the title is misleading and should be changed. 

I also was a fan of RP until I watched an interview in which he denied evolution.  (And I might point out that he is a medical doctor.)

The US doesn't have any hope for non-violent change. The best, I believe, RP could do is delay the day of reckoning by 8 or 10 years - and this isn't really an ideal scenario. The worst RP could do is be in office during the collapse: "Economy collapses under libertarian president" - the statists would love this. The single greatest opportunity to eliminate libertarian philosophy for the next several generations. I think they are willing to trade 4-8 years for another 50.

RP's age is not the reason to be against him. The fact that he "might die" is also irrelevant. as many not-so-old presidents have died while in office for a variety of reasons.

I don't support RP (I used to), but I do support the libertarian philosophy that he espouses.

The state is institutionalized force, and libertarianism is a philosophy of non-violence. These are mutually exclusive concepts. They are not compatible. You cannot infiltrate the state and turn it into a something virtuous. If this were possible, start with something small, like the mafia and try turning it into a charity. Libertarianism has historically been a failure because all libertarians have done is trim the leafs and branches of the tree of statism, and not the root: the belief that the state is moral; the belief that violence can achieve good, and that social problems can be solved with bullets.

He too often uses the constitution as an appeal to authority, rather than first principles. Maybe he does this because, for the general public, the constitution is more palatable, but I've never heard him admit this.

RP is a great educator, but he doesn't apply his conclusions about the state to all fictitious institutions (namely religion).

This is probably the way to go. Individual donations to the campaign max out at $2,500, however SuperPAC's are not bound to maximum donations. The Revolution SuperPAC has a top-notch Board of Directors ready to hit the ground running. It shouldn't be a problem at all if someone like TradeHill collects donations and writes one check for the Revolution SuperPAC.

For those saying that private organizations shouldn't be involved in the political process...why wouldn't a company, such as a Bitcoin exchange, want to support a candidate who endorses and actively supports competing currencies and the elimination of legal tender laws? That just sounds like good business to me

That begs the question to what extent do traditional bundlers verify the identity and eligibility of donors.  Would they typically accept cash donations?

I'll be donating to Ron with bitcoins and I suggest everyone here do the same. That will make a name for bitcoin, if Ron gets 1 million donations in bitcoin!

Maybe the superpac would take them?  http://www.revolutionpac.com/


But yeah,  this thread title and action are more likely to do him more harm then good in the current legal climate.

So you're implying the US recognizes bitcoins as legal tender?

So you're implying that TradeHill will be verifying that all bitcoin donations are coming from US Citizens?

They're complete opposites.

A straw donor gives a small donation for which they are reimbursed by another person. The idea is to conceal the true source of the donation and it only makes sense if the actual donor could not donate for some reason. The straw donor makes possible a donation that would otherwise be illegal (and hence still is). The point of straw donors is that you have a lot of them, allowing one person to make an otherwise illegal large donation.

A bundler or "sort-of bundler" collects many small donations from a number of donors and bundles them into one large donation. The idea is to save the campaign from the hassle of collecting a large number of small donations. A bundler simply makes it more convenient for a large number of people to donate to a campaign. The point of a bundler is that you have few of them, allowing many people to make legal small donations efficiently.

Assuming it would be lawful for me to cash in my bitcoins myself and give the money to Ron Paul, it should be legal for me to employ TradeHill to do it for me. Note that I say "should be". Election law is a very complex beast.

Does really Americas last hope for non-violent change is in old man who might die soon? And the dumb majority of voters still can wote some monkey-man as president again and again. I know about Ron Paul but he looks more like a false hope figure than real revolutionary.

Bad TradeHole. Trying to act like Ron Paul would accept Bitcoins through your site.  He is in no way affiliated with you and stated that he doesn't accept Bitcoins.

"Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign Now Accepts Bitcoins through Tradehill!"

That quote is not in any way true.  Shame on you.  I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I won't be using your exchange because doing things like this shows that you can't be trusted.

They already link to several Ponzi sites anyways (a lot of broken links though), silkroad would be a nice addition...!

https://www.tradehill.com/Support/Bitcoin
at the bottom at
Do you have any links to other Bitcoin sites?

Seriously, I don't know or care about any political views of Tradehill operators or anyone else for that matter. Keep your US presidential election stuff out of my money sphere and donate privately if you feel the need to.

I personally accept BTC donations by the way, feel free to put me up on that donation page instead!

Edit:
The EFF also for quite some time does no longer accept BTC donations - where exactly does this money go?

But will he cash the check? I don't see how he can. Surely an opponent would just *love* to catch him breaking campaign finance regulations.

This is Trade Hill being irresponsible, not a good idea for TH and not a good idea for bitcoin. Why not put an ad for Silk Road on your site at the same time?