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Topic: 📈🥊 PumpFight.com | NO KYC - DECENTRALIZED PVP PREDICTION GAME 📈🥊📈🥊 (Read 435 times)

legendary
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I just opened this web3 gambling site and yes it's quite interesting, and it's like trading for me it's just that your risk your reward we can't set it ourselves, there is something I want to ask that it seems that this only has a time limit of a few seconds to place a position and then will get the results in seconds, is there an option to set the time? it's very difficult to gamble with second bets, and of course I want to know the benchmark bitcoin API price that you take from where?
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Hello, just a reminder...

There are absolutely no deposit(s) whatsoever on our platform.

Players keeps their funds inside their own wallets until the very moment they decide to place a bet.

Our smart contracts then holds funds for one bet at a time (for a few seconds), before distributing it back to the winner(s).

Our platform has no license, and it is no kyc, because it is fully decentralized and open source + we don't have deposits.

Don't Trust, Verify.

Also, play safe!
sr. member
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If they just get those license from a country which doesn't regulate much gambling then its still nothing since there are lots of license casino pull a rug pull scheme to their clients. What's more important here is the reputation they built in this community also their willingness to follow the suggestion and other things needed to take care especially for listening to peoples suggestions. Also people care about much on how their support response fast to the issue since most of people like to have active representative will solve their issues.
I agree with you on all these points. Suggestions from the community plus quick resolution of technical errors definitely play an effective role in building a casino's reputation and trust.
But what I think about the initial cases a gambler when choosing a new gambling site  first of all the looks whether the casino has a license and who the provider is. I also agree with this that many licensed casinos do rug pull schemes with their clients but I also think that this tendency will rarely work in casinos whose licenses are from top level companies. Because a license costs about several thousand dollars in the beginning, and in case of annual fees it tooks huge investment on their.
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KYC thing is I think not an issue since people here now already know about regulation and those things want to avoid by legitimate casino since people nowadays is willing to comply if they asked to do this especially if they already gather good reputation to the community.
Kyc not an issues but when casino found a  suspicious activity like large deposit or the others thing what makes that suspicious activity in that cases most of the casino will check the KYC and in some cases additional documents for that because for the AML regulation.
sr. member
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In my opinion, it is very important that casinos have a license. Just think that in the real world, governments require casinos to have a license, so governments did not allow online casinos to operate without a license. So this means that an online casino without a license has a greater risk of being seized by the government and all funds will also be seized. Nowadays, it is useless to avoid KYC. I would advise the casino owner to get licensed to be in compliance with the laws
Definitely it is a essential things to the online casinos'S in case of gaining the trust from the user's and that is why the casino's are investing millions on the behinds of licence companies. Without licence a casino can also gain the trust on the net but it took times..

Anyway about the suggestion of your regarding getting licensed to this casino. I think may be they could be issues it that because of the being decentralized platform. Decentralized casino means the non-kyc casino and non-kyc also against the anti money laundry laws.

If they just get those license from a country which doesn't regulate much gambling then its still nothing since there are lots of license casino pull a rug pull scheme to their clients. What's more important here is the reputation they built in this community also their willingness to follow the suggestion and other things needed to take care especially for listening to peoples suggestions. Also people care about much on how their support response fast to the issue since most of people like to have active representative will solve their issues.

KYC thing is I think not an issue since people here now already know about regulation and those things want to avoid by legitimate casino since people nowadays is willing to comply if they asked to do this especially if they already gather good reputation to the community.
sr. member
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In my opinion, it is very important that casinos have a license. Just think that in the real world, governments require casinos to have a license, so governments did not allow online casinos to operate without a license. So this means that an online casino without a license has a greater risk of being seized by the government and all funds will also be seized. Nowadays, it is useless to avoid KYC. I would advise the casino owner to get licensed to be in compliance with the laws
Definitely it is a essential things to the online casinos'S in case of gaining the trust from the user's and that is why the casino's are investing millions on the behinds of licence companies. Without licence a casino can also gain the trust on the net but it took times..

Anyway about the suggestion of your regarding getting licensed to this casino. I think may be they could be issues it that because of the being decentralized platform. Decentralized casino means the non-kyc casino and non-kyc also against the anti money laundry laws.
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Thursday, December 19, 2024

24H WIN RATIO : 56.72% | 24H WINS PAID : 7,954,506$ | ALL TIME WINS PAID : 868,771,561$
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I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.
We are all familiar with this game, but unfortunately, OP's behavior in promoting his version of this game is not good. I prefer the admin of Bitwinup, even though he is not posting anymore here for reasons we don't know.
but he was very active then, and he answered all our questions about the platform.
When you create an announcement here, the first week is very crucial because you will be flooded by questions from members. This is how you built your reputation here.
Staying active on the ANN thread by a representative of the platform is very important because from the activities players get to ask questions and get the answers to those questions and that results in trust and commitment, most of the other cryptocurrency casinos like stake.com duelbit a d the rest reputable casinos all started with much activeness on the ANN thread since the thread serves as your official interface with your customer here on Bitcointalk.

I hope the team takes things seriously in the ANN in the future!


Agreed. We will, and we have been active in the best possible manner until now.

Bitwinup and us are sharing the same back-end team and software, players knows that. This is why there is no much question to answer since we first posted our announcement here.
hero member
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I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.
We are all familiar with this game, but unfortunately, OP's behavior in promoting his version of this game is not good. I prefer the admin of Bitwinup, even though he is not posting anymore here for reasons we don't know.
but he was very active then, and he answered all our questions about the platform.
When you create an announcement here, the first week is very crucial because you will be flooded by questions from members. This is how you built your reputation here.
Staying active on the ANN thread by a representative of the platform is very important because from the activities players get to ask questions and get the answers to those questions and that results in trust and commitment, most of the other cryptocurrency casinos like stake.com duelbit a d the rest reputable casinos all started with much activeness on the ANN thread since the thread serves as your official interface with your customer here on Bitcointalk.

I hope the team takes things seriously in the ANN in the future!
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Nice announcement thread and your website looks really nice too.
I wouldn't "connect" my crypto wallet, because I don't trust services that suggest you to "connect your wallet". It's nice that you support fiat payment methods. By the way, is your platform truly decentralized, if I have to deposit fiat money, by using fiat payment methods?
I don't think that truly decentralized gambling platforms would support fiat deposit/withdrawal methods.
Do you plan to stay non-KYC forever or you plan to impose KYC verification in the future?
Anyway, good luck with this project, OP.

Hello, would you rather send your funds to a platform in order to play than connecting your wallet to sign the games transactions of a decentralized service? It is important for you to understand that as we are truly decentralized, we can't hold any funds.

Our platform is actually deposit-free, meaning you are playing directly from your wallet without ever depositing or sending any funds to us. We never hold your money.

Every player is in full possession of their wallet. They can use a Metamask to connect (dedicated to the game for increased security) for example, but they can also use their social or email if they prefer, with Web3Auth a wallet will automatically be created giving them access and control of their private key.

The way we allow users to use fiat money and still being fully decentralized, is by simply giving the players an easy access to external services where they can buy crypto to fund their wallets (ex : TransFi for bank transfer, and transak.com for card payments). They are not actually depositing money to us, and we never process any payment whatsoever.

No, we do not plan to impose KYC verification in the future.
hero member
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Nice announcement thread and your website looks really nice too.
I wouldn't "connect" my crypto wallet, because I don't trust services that suggest you to "connect your wallet". It's nice that you support fiat payment methods. By the way, is your platform truly decentralized, if I have to deposit fiat money, by using fiat payment methods?
I don't think that truly decentralized gambling platforms would support fiat deposit/withdrawal methods.
Do you plan to stay non-KYC forever or you plan to impose KYC verification in the future?
Anyway, good luck with this project, OP.
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Hey there Smiley

I will try to answer all questions that I feel are relevant by this post since my last time here. If you feel that I missed something, please quote it to bring it back on the table. If new question(s) come to your mind, also please, do not hesitate to ask on this thread.

So it means, are you are mirror site of this game as you said you are sharing the same pool of players. How are we going to validate such claim?

You are right, bitcoin.com game is a mirror, you can validate this claim by going through their game page, and checking the smart contracts used to perform the rounds of each games. The smart contracts they use are the same as https://PumpFight.com. By doing that, you'll also notice the pools of players are indeed shared.

having accurate customers support regarding games and other technical issues is almost impossible also.
Unless for a few of them that have the right approach and being up to date with their own services to the extent that none of their customers get stranded while engaging on the casino.

Giving the exact right support is a top priority for every single business, so I do fully agree with you. Creating this thread is part of the process of giving players more room to reach out to the community and admins for eventual help. As our game is fully open source, everyone can dig and find answers if an issue arises for someone.

Our house edge is 0%. PumpFight is not a house based platform, players are betting against each other. But platform's profits should still be generated somehow. So the commission is taken as a percentage from only the winning pool (and not on every bet placed). The commission is taken into account inside the displayed "potential profits" of each bet. Thus, a player knows the exact potential outcome of a winning trade, including the fees of the platform, before the bet is even placed.
I was referring to that by 'house commission'. This type of commission rate gives guaranteed profits to the casinos from each round. The winner side is getting 166% amount when the bet amount is same on both sides. So, the commission rate is around 17% from each round. The commission rate is changing a bit when the bet amount isn't same on both sides. Everyone would address this commission rate as high.

Thank you for pointing this out, and adding more precision to your first post. I think most of the future PumpFight players here would appreciate some words about how actually the payouts and commission works, even though as all of this information is already publicly available, I am sure the current players that registered from here did already checked the full games terms Cool

In short : the platform gets 5% flat fee from only the winning pools. There is no fee anywhere else in the platform. But as I mentioned earlier :

So the commission is taken as a percentage from only the winning pool (and not on every bet placed). The commission is taken into account inside the displayed "potential profits" of each bet. Thus, a player knows the exact potential outcome of a winning trade, including the fees of the platform, before the bet is even placed.

The multiplier the players bets for, as an outcome of the pool he enters, is the actual multiplier he is aiming for : already taking the platform fee into account.
Also, it may sometimes happen that there is some ties on some assets. The starting price of the round may be the same as the ending price of the round, in that case the funds are distributed back to players and the platform does not get any fee from the round (because there is no "winning pool").

Thanks to this commission structure, some players do even engage in an arbitrage strategy, taking only advantaged trades. Due to the PVP nature of the games, payouts can sometimes go as high as 300%-400%.

And why exactly do you see a 17% potential "fee" in the payout, is because on that particular pool : 12% is redistributed to the users as Jackpot (as for now), for liquidity purposes.

The pool you picked up is the only one with such high percentage going back to the users as Jackpot and not as direct payout. It is usually and for most pools only 1% that goes to Jackpot funds.


You can verify the platform commission is 5% for every game by heading to the smart contract -> read contract -> feeJackpotPercentage (fee used as Jackpot) / feePercentage (actual platform fee).


Here are all the smart contract of our games :

Forex EUR/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x0167BbB18EF14EB9781c525c163BB92d8D8FFEFF?tab=contract
Forex EUR/USD VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xAfE7B716479022faC516F418427Fb5FE5968EcB0?tab=contract
Forex JPY/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x5b667c710d7344670b7099eB2536303Cd2663be6?tab=contract
Forex JPY/USD VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xa522abb205Cfcb90482cdc9DD4aC53f5A3ECC37E?tab=contract
Forex GBP/USD 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x41D1dd7cCa5923495B75d635C744190C2cc1b1C5?tab=contract
Gold 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x061581a325fFc28a3521290e283D891040365f1D?tab=contract
Gold VIP 30' (higher limits) : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xE1B06cF9636e7D7cd051af5e84339326303cD401?tab=contract
Oil 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x2Fd3E66Bb90De43B6204d491729727040c684efc?tab=contract
NASDAQ 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xE1a24DCd7C81198E653f7b7e1D36793bDab4DA7d?tab=contract
BTC 5' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x3A8C045BD27d0C059d8A3C0110267c4d2822e9bD?tab=contract
BTC 15' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697?tab=contract
BTC 30' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x41d35a75b7E16114E6A11B8b52c3Eea3A48D38cC?tab=contract
ETH 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0xDae35d2D5C0Aa167C5D231287328dFc3c1b6F939?tab=contract
SOL 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x2AcbFDAAF70697fF195f37b75E4922e61f6176C6?tab=contract
BNB 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x021bf434Ddaa1D41261cc2DFBBD6dF9815021035?tab=contract
DOGE 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x61eF34c875e9f902fd18F38F387B89586821332B?tab=contract
SHIBA 60' : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x43E7Ce35ae4F610A17618B5B0f1d057eEFB5f4D6?tab=contract


BTW, these type of betting game now got a heavy competitor against Evolution Games. The different the asset was in real asset but for Evolution Games based RNG not any backed asset. But still the system choose betting side are similar.

With these kind of fee commission are required high comparing to RNG Stock Option from EVO just 5%. How your casino will survive against them.

Based on that, this is a good thing for us : we have same commission, but we play with real assets at https://pumpfight.com/trade : (Crypto, Forex, Nasdaq, Gold, Oil).

It's really tough to believe that your site which relies on a simple BTC prediction game has such high liquidities op. Liquidity can be checked on our smart contracts.

We do not rely on a simple BTC prediction game, but a BTC, ETH, SOL, BNB, DOGE, SHIBA + Forex, Gold, Oil prediction games.

And for this casino, they are likely a scam, to have such a exortant amount in total wins paid in their very short time of operation is very fishy, and again, their claim of being audited by certik is a lie until they provide their audit report link, every certik audit comes with a report link that can be accessed, viewed by anyone, without them providing that link, their claim of being auditted can certik is a lie.

As our games are open sourced, you can track the actual volume of games by yourself. You can do this by clicking on one of the last game, and head to "Check Hash", all transactions are public. Each games relies on one smart contract, for example the BTC 15 second pool is played on this smart contract : 0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697 (in the Playblock blockchain : https://explorer.playblock.io/address/0x02D3056B85578f1711481fD70Ae95e796B286697).

Here is the Certik audit link of our smart contracts by the game provider, Playnance : https://skynet.certik.com/projects/Playnance

Damn I've been looking for a game like this!
Market based and like binary options. There used to be so many sites that had simple up/down bets and a 1.9 multiplier but they all shut down.

Making it more P2P might be a better solution. I'll surely be looking into this. Looks very promising.

You can give a try PumpFight. We often have 1.9 and higher multipliers due to our PVP nature.

There are accusations that the service is a mere copy. What's the link to the original?

Again, there is no copy. We all are partners at the same level with the game provider.

Bitcointalk is a forum of specialists. I believe most players who registered and are now actively playing from this forum did their due diligence before interacting with our games.
hero member
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I am seeing this type of game recently in content creators and they seem to enjoy it. What worries me is that they're introducing it as if you're actually doing stocks but they're not mentioning you're only betting on how it will go. And that led me to think that the viewers of those folks might think that games like this is the actual stock market and they're also going to bet on it as if that's the only way to earn from it. I've seen games like this several years ago and I guess it's timely that it's been back.
legendary
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Damn I've been looking for a game like this!
Market based and like binary options. There used to be so many sites that had simple up/down bets and a 1.9 multiplier but they all shut down.

Making it more P2P might be a better solution. I'll surely be looking into this. Looks very promising.
legendary
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For someone who have spent this years in crypto not to know certik, it possible he or she has been hiding under a hole 🕳️.
Trash talk? Really? You do realise that I am not some all knowing being, don't you? Grow up weirdo.

I haven't checked/played with their prediction game, but I'm giving OP a merit because I like these sorts of services - I used to bet in Binary Options before when they were very popular, and I really liked it. PumpFight is probably like betting on Binary Options but the risk and the gamble is set to the maximum possible setting. Hahaha.
I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.


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OK, I probably should have read through all the posts in the topic before giving OP one merit.

I simply got too excited to see the service and gave the merit without thinking. Perhaps there theymos should implement a way to remove merits? Honest mistake giving that to OP.

There are accusations that the service is a mere copy. What's the link to the original?
hero member
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I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.
We are all familiar with this game, but unfortunately, OP's behavior in promoting his version of this game is not good. I prefer the admin of Bitwinup, even though he is not posting anymore here for reasons we don't know.
but he was very active then, and he answered all our questions about the platform.
When you create an announcement here, the first week is very crucial because you will be flooded by questions from members. This is how you built your reputation here.
hero member
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For someone who have spent this years in crypto not to know certik, it possible he or she has been hiding under a hole 🕳️.
Trash talk? Really? You do realise that I am not some all knowing being, don't you? Grow up weirdo.

I haven't checked/played with their prediction game, but I'm giving OP a merit because I like these sorts of services - I used to bet in Binary Options before when they were very popular, and I really liked it. PumpFight is probably like betting on Binary Options but the risk and the gamble is set to the maximum possible setting. Hahaha.
I share your viewpoint since I am a fan of these sort of games too, but something feels off with this particular site as some posters above suggested. Also, op hasn't been very active in this thread since it was created which isn't helping them.
legendary
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I haven't checked/played with their prediction game, but I'm giving OP a merit because I like these sorts of services - I used to bet in Binary Options before when they were very popular, and I really liked it. PumpFight is probably like betting on Binary Options but the risk and the gamble is set to the maximum possible setting. Hahaha.

When I visit your site, if I am not mistaken there is an app that similar with your site. That app predict where Bitcoin will moves in the next 5-10 seconds and we should place our order. But that is not a PvP games because we just predict the price go and wait for a while.

But your site is interesting because we can see the trader who place their prediction and who is the opponent. Besides that, we just need to connect our wallet and we can directly joining with them.

But before you play, you need to make sure that you can analyze the market so you will know what you need to choose. With a $5 as a minimum bet, you need to be careful spends your money and always make sure that you are in under control.

I am interesting with the Copy Trade but it still in Beta mode. But I see some traders on the lists that we can copy the trade.


The service may look like it's fun to play, but be careful before signing any transaction being requested from this service.
hero member
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What could be the caus of that?
It could be an error from who.is as the game service is active. I'm thinking it's unlikely that it's due to the website being very recently registered as I've seen newer sites (newer than their announcement here) with available details.
Is there any other site to track originality of website or newly launched site that is similar to who.is because it seems that this site isn't giving an accurate information, just as we usually used different site to track AI generated contents.
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When I visit your site, if I am not mistaken there is an app that similar with your site. That app predict where Bitcoin will moves in the next 5-10 seconds and we should place our order. But that is not a PvP games because we just predict the price go and wait for a while.

But your site is interesting because we can see the trader who place their prediction and who is the opponent. Besides that, we just need to connect our wallet and we can directly joining with them.

But before you play, you need to make sure that you can analyze the market so you will know what you need to choose. With a $5 as a minimum bet, you need to be careful spends your money and always make sure that you are in under control.

I am interesting with the Copy Trade but it still in Beta mode. But I see some traders on the lists that we can copy the trade.
legendary
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It's really tough to believe that your site which relies on a simple BTC prediction game has such high liquidities op. Have never even heard of Certik before which is why I am reluctant about investing in your site..

Also, some members mentioned that the commission is high though I couldn't find the exact number. How much is it exactly?
Looking that this account is from way back 2014, which means you have been in crypto for about or more than 10 years now.
For someone who have spent this years in crypto not to know certik, it possible he or she has been hiding under a hole 🕳️.

Certik is a very popular audit company in crypto, in fact, they are the best and most expensive audit company as long as crypto is concerned..

And for this casino, they are likely a scam, to have such a exortant amount in total wins paid in their very short time of operation is very fishy, and again, their claim of being audited by certik is a lie until they provide their audit report link, every certik audit comes with a report link that can be accessed, viewed by anyone, without them providing that link, their claim of being auditted can certik is a lie.
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