Putin is like bush just with better PR.
And most of you ppl are idiots to support him.
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Oh the putin pr fraction is stronk in this one.
Putin is like bush just with better PR.
And most of you ppl are idiots to support him.
Putin is like bush just with better PR.
And most of you ppl are idiots to support him.
So what if Putin gave the go ahead. There is a cost for betrayal, The death may have happened in England but there are plenty of other countries that have killed people outside of their own country, Even now Obama gives the final decision on drone attacks as he has admitted, This is the dark world of espionage.
The problem is Britain has no moral authority to stand on, so it's hard to see where this will lead to. If you're morally bankrupt you then rely on force; economic or military, to impose your will on others. Which this country doesn't have either. At least not against Russia.
The only defence this country has...is the counter-argument of loudly exclaiming "whataboutism" - a convenient excuse for those who want to dismiss critics of their own blatant hypocrisy.
So there's not much of a case.
I suppose the only talking point is how the intelligence agencies let a defector get whacked by some Russian spooks. Someone dropped the ball there if the Russians were allowed to get close to him.
Look at how the Russians treat Snowden, he'd find himself kidnapped and tortured given half the chance by a myriad of Western intelligence agencies. Tortured at best. They've obviously beefed up security knowing that.
So for whatever reason, we let the Russians kill their Snowden.
The only defence this country has...is the counter-argument of loudly exclaiming "whataboutism" - a convenient excuse for those who want to dismiss critics of their own blatant hypocrisy.
So there's not much of a case.
I suppose the only talking point is how the intelligence agencies let a defector get whacked by some Russian spooks. Someone dropped the ball there if the Russians were allowed to get close to him.
Look at how the Russians treat Snowden, he'd find himself kidnapped and tortured given half the chance by a myriad of Western intelligence agencies. Tortured at best. They've obviously beefed up security knowing that.
So for whatever reason, we let the Russians kill their Snowden.
He was certainly murdered by the FSB and almost certainly by Lugovoi and/or Kovtun. The Russian position is that the inquest was politicized - in other words that the result was dictated before the investigation - a fait accompli.
There's no direct evidence that Putin ordered it but knowing how the Kremlin works he "probably" would have known about it, at least.
There's no direct evidence that Putin ordered it but knowing how the Kremlin works he "probably" would have known about it, at least.
It´s easy to have double standards.
For example there is much talk about Russia having violated "international laws" by re-uniting Crimea with Russia and supporting the self-determination of people in the Donbass. Why aren´t those alleged violations brought before the international court of justice? That´s how it goes when laws are broken, courts of justice deal with that. But of course those here who talk about international law don´t give a flyin eff about that in their endless wars on false pretenses. They don´t care about human rights and regimes killing their own people if the scumbags belong to their team. It´s total hypocrisy.
I guess those violations can´t be brought before a court because there isn´t any case. And besides there are tons of precedents that the defense could point to.
For example there is much talk about Russia having violated "international laws" by re-uniting Crimea with Russia and supporting the self-determination of people in the Donbass. Why aren´t those alleged violations brought before the international court of justice? That´s how it goes when laws are broken, courts of justice deal with that. But of course those here who talk about international law don´t give a flyin eff about that in their endless wars on false pretenses. They don´t care about human rights and regimes killing their own people if the scumbags belong to their team. It´s total hypocrisy.
I guess those violations can´t be brought before a court because there isn´t any case. And besides there are tons of precedents that the defense could point to.
Yeah and even if they'd bring the case, how would they punish Russia? xD
It´s easy to have double standards.
For example there is much talk about Russia having violated "international laws" by re-uniting Crimea with Russia and supporting the self-determination of people in the Donbass. Why aren´t those alleged violations brought before the international court of justice? That´s how it goes when laws are broken, courts of justice deal with that. But of course those here who talk about international law don´t give a flyin eff about that in their endless wars on false pretenses. They don´t care about human rights and regimes killing their own people if the scumbags belong to their team. It´s total hypocrisy.
I guess those violations can´t be brought before a court because there isn´t any case. And besides there are tons of precedents that the defense could point to.
For example there is much talk about Russia having violated "international laws" by re-uniting Crimea with Russia and supporting the self-determination of people in the Donbass. Why aren´t those alleged violations brought before the international court of justice? That´s how it goes when laws are broken, courts of justice deal with that. But of course those here who talk about international law don´t give a flyin eff about that in their endless wars on false pretenses. They don´t care about human rights and regimes killing their own people if the scumbags belong to their team. It´s total hypocrisy.
I guess those violations can´t be brought before a court because there isn´t any case. And besides there are tons of precedents that the defense could point to.
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.
He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.
Maybe. Anyway, the United States government has no qualms at all about executing people here and there extra judicially by robots and the same goes for their British colleagues so it´s total hypocrisy when they accuse others of the same.
Yup. Let the CIA faces torture accusations and the NSA spying on allied nations. Then they'll have the right to say anything about other countries ethic!
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.
He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.
Maybe. Anyway, the United States government has no qualms at all about executing people here and there extra judicially by robots and the same goes for their British colleagues so it´s total hypocrisy when they accuse others of the same.
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.
He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.
He's presented as one. To justify the fact that Putin is just a dictator.
I'm not blaming anything on Russia and Putin, on the contrary I'm saying that Western nations would and have done the same if not worse.
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.
He was not killed for opposing the president. He was killed for passing on strategic Russian military secrets to the British agents. There is a big difference. Even if he was a British or American citizen, the governments there would have taken him out if he was doing the same to them. So don't blame everything on Russia and Putin.
I´ve seen no conclusive evidence that the Russian authorities ordered this guy killed and actually they had no reason to do it; the guy was a total nobody and didn´t bother them the slightest. Any meaningful danger or harm to the russians is purely mythical and was created after his death. Well, it´s not unusual of course, some people are simply much more valuable when they´re dead.
USA kills its own president (Kennedy) but it's still "the land of the free", Russia kills an opposant to the president and it's a dictatorship.
Double standards ^^
Double standards ^^
Litvinenko's father: I didn't know that my son was a British agent; traitors should be shot
Published on Jan 21, 2016
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This video is three years old. Walter Litvinenko described his claims as lies driven by hatred, saying he didn't know his son Alexander worked for British intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAe3LKBG55c
Published on Jan 21, 2016
More daily reality snacks at: http://russia-insider.com
This video is three years old. Walter Litvinenko described his claims as lies driven by hatred, saying he didn't know his son Alexander worked for British intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAe3LKBG55c
Russia's Foreign Ministry is dismissing the UK's inquiry into the death of Alexander Litvinenko as politically motivated. "We regret that a purely criminal case has been politicized and has darkened the general atmosphere of our bilateral relations," spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said.
British officials will summon the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office to discuss an inquiry that found Russia was likely to have been complicit in the killing of Litvinenko on British soil in 2006, UK Home Secretary Theresa May said Thursday. May told Parliament that Interpol notices and European arrest warrants were in place so that the main suspects would be arrested if they travel abroad.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/21/europe/litvinenko-inquest-report/index.html
British officials will summon the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office to discuss an inquiry that found Russia was likely to have been complicit in the killing of Litvinenko on British soil in 2006, UK Home Secretary Theresa May said Thursday. May told Parliament that Interpol notices and European arrest warrants were in place so that the main suspects would be arrested if they travel abroad.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/21/europe/litvinenko-inquest-report/index.html
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