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Topic: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn [video] - London - April 16 2015 (Read 1821 times)

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Block Size mentioned and almost hinted at during this talk...
he already forked it to the 20 mb limit according to some sources.
Guess it's time for the community to push back and not run his new code.
Why would you do that? Are we really going to go throught this? How would anyone benefit from staying at 1MB block? whats the point beside being stubborn cunt about it? let's just move on, 20MB is objectively better than 1 for god's sake.
The only cunt here is you and Gavin , Put the code back like it was originally and quit playing with block size.
legendary
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Block Size mentioned and almost hinted at during this talk...
he already forked it to the 20 mb limit according to some sources.
Guess it's time for the community to push back and not run his new code.
Why would you do that? Are we really going to go throught this? How would anyone benefit from staying at 1MB block? whats the point beside being stubborn cunt about it? let's just move on, 20MB is objectively better than 1 for god's sake.
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I was expecting a bigger explanation on the blocksize thing since it's a big topic and an upcoming one within the next big update to 0.11, the explanation seemed vague to me, they didn't go into much detail.

I agree. They seemed more interested in discussing the sci-fi possibilities of Bitcoin than describing what to do to keep Bitcoin alive through the next year. I love the possibility of Bitcoin mining cheddar cheese from the moon in 100 years. Unless they solve today's issues it won't be around long enough to make one order of nachos.
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I was expecting a bigger explanation on the blocksize thing since it's a big topic and an upcoming one within the next big update to 0.11, the explanation seemed vague to me, they didn't go into much detail.
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Finally had time to watch this in full. The first half was more interesting than the latter. Some interesting points were brought up.

They talked about no hierarchical decision making on bitcoin core and there is no easy way to funding core devs directly. When there is no hierarchy, no one individual has full control of the direction bitcoin core goes. So, no one individual can make bitcoin biased towards any sector. If there is a hierarchy, I have no problem with Gavin taking the helm, being more "dictating" now. However, when he is not around or pursuing other projects, the next lead dev could use the decision hierarchy to his advantage.

Is the absent of a hierarchy necessarily bad?


Open source projects are a interesting mix and balance of hierarchy and open collaboration and consensus building. The right mix is sometimes best.

In the video, Mike Hearn mentioned some active opensourced projects have coders and updates, but the codes aren't necessarily getting better. He has a point. Yes, the "right mix" is always best, but then what is the "right mix"?  Wink

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like with any movement, mixing the instrumental and the symbolic approach always works best. question is the amounts..
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Finally had time to watch this in full. The first half was more interesting than the latter. Some interesting points were brought up.

They talked about no hierarchical decision making on bitcoin core and there is no easy way to funding core devs directly. When there is no hierarchy, no one individual has full control of the direction bitcoin core goes. So, no one individual can make bitcoin biased towards any sector. If there is a hierarchy, I have no problem with Gavin taking the helm, being more "dictating" now. However, when he is not around or pursuing other projects, the next lead dev could use the decision hierarchy to his advantage.

Is the absent of a hierarchy necessarily bad?

Excellent question.

Most open source projects have at least one level of hierarchy separating the project/repo maintainer from the contributors. Linux with linus at the helm is definitely hierarchical. Not having any hierarchy can lead to possible dangers as well as I have been apart some disastrous non profits where there was no hierarchy and everyone was volunteers.

Open source projects are a interesting mix and balance of hierarchy and open collaboration and consensus building. The right mix is sometimes best.
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re hierarchy (good or bad), depends who you're asking  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Finally had time to watch this in full. The first half was more interesting than the latter. Some interesting points were brought up.

They talked about no hierarchical decision making on bitcoin core and there is no easy way to funding core devs directly. When there is no hierarchy, no one individual has full control of the direction bitcoin core goes. So, no one individual can make bitcoin biased towards any sector. If there is a hierarchy, I have no problem with Gavin taking the helm, being more "dictating" now. However, when he is not around or pursuing other projects, the next lead dev could use the decision hierarchy to his advantage.

Is the absent of a hierarchy necessarily bad?
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I think it is only a suggestion to open up the discussion (again), this time with real intentions to fork.
hero member
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Block Size mentioned and almost hinted at during this talk...
he already forked it to the 20 mb limit according to some sources.
Guess it's time for the community to push back and not run his new code.
sr. member
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Block Size mentioned and almost hinted at during this talk...
legendary
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Looks to me as if Gavin and Mike was a bit tipsy, because most of the answers was a bit tongue in the cheek and some was a bit "smuck". I would surely need a couple of beers to enable me to answer the same questions for the 1000th time. It's Always a good benefit to be able to speak to the core developers directly, because you cannot do that with the core developers of the banking systems.  Roll Eyes
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It'll seem like slow creep, but so-called smart contracts will be commonplace before long. Look at what Hedgy is doing. Simple performance contract using oracles and multi-sig with vastly reduced counterparty risk. Brilliant use of Bitcoin tech. When this tech exists and is proven, the question becomes why not use it?
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What if a specific (legit-registered), organization decides to adopt smart contracts?
legendary
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Ok, so he drops the "ZeroCash" teaser, and says nothing more.  Sad 

On the question of courts being able to make judgements regarding "Smart contracts" ..... My guess... Nope, they have no clue about the Blockchain and they still need to be fully educated on how these technical things work, and what legislation will work for it.

I like the Bitcoin mining electric blanket idea.... you generate heat from mining and use it to warm your bed and your coffee and you get paid for it.  Grin

We will need severe regulation going on in order to make smart contract being recognized by the official institutions. Having recognized smart contracts are a good thing, but im afraid of the side effects that said regulations could have in the BTC world.
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Smart Contracts in the state court system was probably the best question (IMO).
legendary
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Ok, so he drops the "ZeroCash" teaser, and says nothing more.  Sad 

On the question of courts being able to make judgements regarding "Smart contracts" ..... My guess... Nope, they have no clue about the Blockchain and they still need to be fully educated on how these technical things work, and what legislation will work for it.

I like the Bitcoin mining electric blanket idea.... you generate heat from mining and use it to warm your bed and your coffee and you get paid for it.  Grin
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@co5hike:

My pleasure recording, uploading and building a London Bitcoin Meetup video archive.
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Thanks for posting this. I'll watch it a bit later when I get home from work but it should be a classic.
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