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Topic: Quantum Physics Proves That There IS An Afterlife, Claims Scientist - page 2. (Read 2623 times)

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I remember reading Lanza's stuff a few years ago, and I couldn't help but feel that he was taking the whole "it takes observation to collapse the wave function" a bit too literally.

Now, consider this: if you step into the transporter room in Star Trek, and Scotty beams you planetside, essentially, he has vaporized you on the ship, and reconstructed you on the planet, with every atom and molecule arranged perfectly, thus your brain is exactly as it was in the transporter room, complete with your current thoughts and memories. You think you're the same guy. What the heck, it always seems to work, so why complain?

One day Scotty beams you down, and just like every other time, you arrive on the planet, memories intact, and go about your business. All is good. However, up on the ship, the transporter failed to vaporize you. One of Scotty's assistants walks up to you, and says "Sir, there's been a slight malfunction, but no worries, you're down on the planet. Now, if you'll just come with me...", as he leads you off towards the secondary vaporizer.

The point, of course, is what does it mean to have your consciousness live on?

1) Thats not real so any question leading up to it is irrelavent
2) Lets get to the transporting stage first to prove the theory once and for all. Pay someone alot of money and it will happen.

There's no need to for transporters to be real to follow the logic of the thought experiment. The scientists who worked out quantum theory did nothing but thought experiments themselves.

You're doing yourself a disservice by making the ridiculous assumption that a transporter be real to draw conclusions from the thought experiment.
legendary
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I remember reading Lanza's stuff a few years ago, and I couldn't help but feel that he was taking the whole "it takes observation to collapse the wave function" a bit too literally.

Now, consider this: if you step into the transporter room in Star Trek, and Scotty beams you planetside, essentially, he has vaporized you on the ship, and reconstructed you on the planet, with every atom and molecule arranged perfectly, thus your brain is exactly as it was in the transporter room, complete with your current thoughts and memories. You think you're the same guy. What the heck, it always seems to work, so why complain?

One day Scotty beams you down, and just like every other time, you arrive on the planet, memories intact, and go about your business. All is good. However, up on the ship, the transporter failed to vaporize you. One of Scotty's assistants walks up to you, and says "Sir, there's been a slight malfunction, but no worries, you're down on the planet. Now, if you'll just come with me...", as he leads you off towards the secondary vaporizer.

The point, of course, is what does it mean to have your consciousness live on?

1) Thats not real so any question leading up to it is irrelavent
2) Lets get to the transporting stage first to prove the theory once and for all. Pay someone alot of money and it will happen.
legendary
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2503370/Quantum-physics-proves-IS-afterlife-claims-scientist.html


- Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
- He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round

Sounds like he restated the anthropic principle and then put "quantum physics" next to it.

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I remember reading Lanza's stuff a few years ago, and I couldn't help but feel that he was taking the whole "it takes observation to collapse the wave function" a bit too literally.

Now, consider this: if you step into the transporter room in Star Trek, and Scotty beams you planetside, essentially, he has vaporized you on the ship, and reconstructed you on the planet, with every atom and molecule arranged perfectly, thus your brain is exactly as it was in the transporter room, complete with your current thoughts and memories. You think you're the same guy. What the heck, it always seems to work, so why complain?

One day Scotty beams you down, and just like every other time, you arrive on the planet, memories intact, and go about your business. All is good. However, up on the ship, the transporter failed to vaporize you. One of Scotty's assistants walks up to you, and says "Sir, there's been a slight malfunction, but no worries, you're down on the planet. Now, if you'll just come with me...", as he leads you off towards the secondary vaporizer.

The point, of course, is what does it mean to have your consciousness live on?
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The main key here is to prove that mind can exist without a body as we known. That would be biggest step of XXI century.

you mean consciousness. the mind is part of the body, isn't it? consciousness is not part of the body, but just tethered to it.
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"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

I always remember this quote from Richard Feynman when I hear stuff like this.
Does anyone truly understand it or is that an illusion too Smiley
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are there bitcoins in afterlife though?  Huh Undecided  Cheesy
No need, you can create anything with your mind.
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"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

I always remember this quote from Richard Feynman when I hear stuff like this.

Exactly.
I found a couple of youtube videos with him when I looked for his name. I will try to learn more about his theory.
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"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

I always remember this quote from Richard Feynman when I hear stuff like this.
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are there bitcoins in afterlife though?  Huh Undecided  Cheesy
legendary
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The main key here is to prove that mind can exist without a body as we known. That would be biggest step of XXI century.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2503370/Quantum-physics-proves-IS-afterlife-claims-scientist.html


- Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
- He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
- This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
- He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
- And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either



Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense, or at the very least unprovable.

Yet one expert claims he has evidence to confirm an existence beyond the grave - and it lies in quantum physics.

Professor Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism teaches that death as we know it is an illusion created by our consciousness.

'We think life is just the activity of carbon and an admixture of molecules – we live a while and then rot into the ground,' said the scientist on his website.

Lanza, from Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina, continued that as humans we believe in death because 'we've been taught we die', or more specifically, our consciousness associates life with bodies and we know that bodies die.

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