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August 31, 2015, 09:58:52 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  

 Huh

You are one dense person  Cheesy

The "bitcoin industry" and their "infrastructure" other than the miners have little influence over these decisions. Now the exchanges might have some pull but wallet services or payment processor opinions really have no "weight" unless they have Bitcoin themselves to support it.

You don't get special status for being "in the industry". The "big pockets" you refer to are nothing but fiat interests with absolutely abysmal leverage over what will happen in the Bitcoin economy. It should be evident by now that these companies "reflections" on the issue have not moved the economic consensus balance by an inch. They got behind an half-baked solution that grows irrelevant by the day. Stop being obtuse and accept the situation for what it is:

You and your handlers have lost and we, the Bitcoiners, were not fooled.

Lol dumbass, do you know how to value a fcking business? Exchanges and wallet services dont hold btc? And you got a nerve to tell someone densed?

Idiot. Your argument is similar to saying netflix, facebook amazon have little influence compared to ISP.


Who the fck are you? Calling yourself  "bitcoiner".

Value a business  Huh

You don't actually think wallet services and exchanges are valued by their Bitcoin holdings  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

No thats not what i meant retard.

And holding an amount of any coin is more valuable than holding mining hardwares that can only mine such coin.

But idiots like you cant see further than your nose.
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August 31, 2015, 09:55:36 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  

 Huh

You are one dense person  Cheesy

The "bitcoin industry" and their "infrastructure" other than the miners have little influence over these decisions. Now the exchanges might have some pull but wallet services or payment processor opinions really have no "weight" unless they have Bitcoin themselves to support it.

You don't get special status for being "in the industry". The "big pockets" you refer to are nothing but fiat interests with absolutely abysmal leverage over what will happen in the Bitcoin economy. It should be evident by now that these companies "reflections" on the issue have not moved the economic consensus balance by an inch. They got behind an half-baked solution that grows irrelevant by the day. Stop being obtuse and accept the situation for what it is:

You and your handlers have lost and we, the Bitcoiners, were not fooled.

Lol dumbass, do you know how to value a fcking business? Exchanges and wallet services dont hold btc? And you got a nerve to tell someone densed?

Idiot. Your argument is similar to saying netflix, facebook amazon have little influence compared to ISP.


Who the fck are you? Calling yourself  "bitcoiner".

Value a business  Huh

You don't actually think wallet services and exchanges are valued by their Bitcoin holdings  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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August 31, 2015, 09:55:27 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  

 Huh

You are one dense person  Cheesy

The "bitcoin industry" and their "infrastructure" other than the miners have little influence over these decisions. Now the exchanges might have some pull but wallet services or payment processor opinions really have no "weight" unless they have Bitcoin themselves to support it.

You don't get special status for being "in the industry". The "big pockets" you refer to are nothing but fiat interests with absolutely abysmal leverage over what will happen in the Bitcoin economy. It should be evident by now that these companies "reflections" on the issue have not moved the economic consensus balance by an inch. They got behind an half-baked solution that grows irrelevant by the day. Stop being obtuse and accept the situation for what it is:

You and your handlers have lost and we, the Bitcoiners, were not fooled.

You really don't seem to get what kind of financial infrastructures is needed for bitcoin to become a functioning currency. These infrastructures are what will/are giving bitcoin the most value because it makes it useful for individuals and businesses to use it. Just think of exchanges which are the very low level, basic ones. Without them bitcoin would go nowhere. I invite you to learn more about how finance works. There is no war here, only a system that needs to be built to accommodate all participants for bitcoin to achieve its full blown potential. It's not that hard to understand that these businesses now need a clear path of how bitcoin will scale in the future and Core is failing to delivers that. If Core continues to fail to deliver in a timely manner, someone else will. Will it be XT is yet to be seen.
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August 31, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
To all the fcking noobs who think miners have any influence to bitcoin value, where were you when btc crashed to below $2?



Yeah i thought so.
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August 31, 2015, 09:52:08 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  

 Huh

You are one dense person  Cheesy

The "bitcoin industry" and their "infrastructure" other than the miners have little influence over these decisions. Now the exchanges might have some pull but wallet services or payment processor opinions really have no "weight" unless they have Bitcoin themselves to support it.

You don't get special status for being "in the industry". The "big pockets" you refer to are nothing but fiat interests with absolutely abysmal leverage over what will happen in the Bitcoin economy. It should be evident by now that these companies "reflections" on the issue have not moved the economic consensus balance by an inch. They got behind an half-baked solution that grows irrelevant by the day. Stop being obtuse and accept the situation for what it is:

You and your handlers have lost and we, the Bitcoiners, were not fooled.

Lol dumbass, do you know how to value a fcking business? Exchanges and wallet services dont hold btc? And you got a nerve to tell someone densed?

Idiot. Your argument is similar to saying netflix, facebook amazon have little influence compared to ISP.


Who the fck are you? Calling yourself  "bitcoiner".
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August 31, 2015, 09:39:12 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  

 Huh

You are one dense person  Cheesy

The "bitcoin industry" and their "infrastructure" other than the miners have little influence over these decisions. Now the exchanges might have some pull but wallet services or payment processor opinions really have no "weight" unless they have Bitcoin themselves to support it.

You don't get special status for being "in the industry". The "big pockets" you refer to are nothing but fiat interests with absolutely abysmal leverage over what will happen in the Bitcoin economy. It should be evident by now that these companies "reflections" on the issue have not moved the economic consensus balance by an inch. They got behind an half-baked solution that grows irrelevant by the day. Stop being obtuse and accept the situation for what it is:

You and your handlers have lost and we, the Bitcoiners, were not fooled.
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August 31, 2015, 09:26:49 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.

Exact. When I'm talking about the industry I'm talking about the bitcoin industry, those who have put money building infrastructures on top of bitcoin. Those who have big stack in that matter. Not those who are in control of fiat that have indeed no influence of what can happen in the bitcoin world.  
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August 31, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)

And probably only a meager amount of BTC.

Because that's what the lunatic in this thread doesn't seem to realize. Fiat interests have no control over the Bitcoin world. That's the whole point of the thing. It doesn't matter if these corporations have billions of dollars behind them unless they become investors in Bitcoin and have a BTC balance to back up their claims.
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August 31, 2015, 08:48:00 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Simple, concise but no point like most of the time.

If you ever feel like truly opening up about why you're here, I for one will help you. No one deserves your present situation, I'm sure there could be an interesting story behind it. PM me if you ever have a change of heart.

Why I am here is not really an interesting story. All I do care is that bitcoin is sound money not based on debts and that it gives the choice of full financial control over the individuals. Anything else for me is futile. It's just too bad you don't seem to understand how market and businesses work and how bitcoin fits in all this. I don't know why I should need help as I am being just an observer at this point. You are the one that feel to fight something (XT is evil!) which puts you in a non impartial view, I am not.  
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August 31, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....

I know, you're right. I just couldn't stand by and watch the people of this forum inflicted with blanket condemnation from these characters as a part of their arguments.

I've been very pleased to see you marky, as well as others, taking the shills on, you've done a better job than I could have wished for. I'm tired of this too, but I think we've won an important victory. XT and BIP100 have been discredited, no-one except the corporations are interested in either, and they have a combined hashrate of zero. Even despite the fact we could have been arguing with troll-bots the whole time  Cheesy (no wonder they're more relentless than the Seventh Day Adventists  Grin)
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August 31, 2015, 08:22:13 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Simple, concise but no point like most of the time.

If you ever feel like truly opening up about why you're here, I for one will help you. No one deserves your present situation, I'm sure there could be an interesting story behind it. PM me if you ever have a change of heart.
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August 31, 2015, 08:21:20 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Ditto....my eyes are bleeding from reading the drivel in this thread. What was that you said about engaging people who are happy to present willfully dishonest arguments? I think I've lost the energy to fight the good fight....
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August 31, 2015, 08:16:21 PM
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.

Simple, concise but no point like most of the time.
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August 31, 2015, 08:15:49 PM
Honestly I'm not sure how you plan on changing this unless you run a large pool. The miners decide what chain they use and ultimately how that stuff works.

Miners indeed decide what chain they use but they will choose the most profitable one and they are not those who gives value to the chain. How big pockets will drive this is yet to be seen.
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August 31, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
Honestly I'm not sure how you plan on changing this unless you run a large pool. The miners decide what chain they use and ultimately how that stuff works.
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August 31, 2015, 08:06:12 PM
#99
Seek help. I am feeling increasingly sorry for you people, doing this must be no fun at all. How you got roped in, I do not know, but you all have my sympathies.
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August 31, 2015, 07:45:30 PM
#98
If you lose the miners your pretty coins go by bye.

Miners will go where the money is. In other words, which coin market makers will choose.

ahhh so who's the market makers again? Grin WE ARE Cheesy

so dont mind this ph0rk, it wont happen. and if big centralized miners tries.. they'll loose huge money. Grin

The delusion here is strong  Roll Eyes

Who is "we"? This tinny community? Big pockets doesn't give a damn about you and I opinion. Bitcoin has gone beyond bitcointalk. Reality check.

And you continue to post here for what reason? You're admitting you're not a part of this community as well as your contempt for it, please leave.

If I leave, will it adds up to your feeling of "control?". Like it or not bitcoin is at the edge of a new power structure driven by market forces leaving this community behind, just as intended by Satoshi. Those with big pockets, which their job is to move capitals to make things happen, will get want they want and right now what they want is bigger blocks (Also as intended from the start) because big blocks = big bucks. It won't change any single thing about the principles which bitcoin is being built on nor its decentralization. No matter the outcome, bitcoin will fork and even if you dislike the fork, even if you call it gavincoin or "whatever implementation altcoin" the people on the street will call it bitcoin because it will be packaged and marketeer as such. Why I'm still here even if I can't control anything? Simply because as an observer I still enjoying talking about it and watching it unfold.  Smiley
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August 31, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
#97
If you lose the miners your pretty coins go by bye.

Miners will go where the money is. In other words, which coin market makers will choose.

ahhh so who's the market makers again? Grin WE ARE Cheesy

so dont mind this ph0rk, it wont happen. and if big centralized miners tries.. they'll loose huge money. Grin

The delusion here is strong  Roll Eyes

Who is "we"? This tinny community? Big pockets doesn't give a damn about you and I opinion. Bitcoin has gone beyond bitcointalk. Reality check.

And you continue to post here for what reason? You're admitting you're not a part of this community as well as your contempt for it, please leave.
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August 31, 2015, 05:25:31 PM
#96
If you lose the miners your pretty coins go by bye.

Miners will go where the money is. In other words, which coin market makers will choose.

ahhh so who's the market makers again? Grin WE ARE Cheesy

so dont mind this ph0rk, it wont happen. and if big centralized miners tries.. they'll loose huge money. Grin

The delusion here is strong  Roll Eyes

Who is "we"? This tinny community? Big pockets doesn't give a damn about you and I opinion. Bitcoin has gone beyond bitcointalk. Reality check.
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August 31, 2015, 04:38:52 PM
#95
increasing the block size too much will cause fees to collapse. The author of the BIP I am opposing will tell you the same thing.
You still haven't answered me why. All you do is dodging my question and writing comments without any content.

So, this quote also applies to you:
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In addition, simply saying something doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you repeat it.


It's explained perfectly adequately a short distance back in this thread. I'm not going to do it again just so you can feel like people value your audience.
So, I read all your posts in this thread again and you didn't give anything besides a pretty vague theoretical construct, that isn't based on anything(the very point where I entered the discussion).
So, I accept, that you are like many other people in here are just not willing to give answer, more likely use ad hominem or trying to look smart by starting some stupid meta discussion without link to the actual topic  and that further discussion is pretty much pointless.

So your meta-meta argument, littered with inaccuracies and ad hominems, demonstrates you inhabiting the high ground?  Wink

Like I said: Andresen accepts that view. He designed BIP101. You should complain to him, ruining everyone's perception of BIP101, how could he?  Cheesy
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