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Quote from: apoorvlathey on October 16, 2019, 10:21:05 AM

FYI, gambling apps published through Google Play Store are available in UK, Ireland, and France only. The company has to fill out a detailed contract complete with a gambling license and whatnot

Actually, I expected something like that

If someone loses a ton of money, he could potentially sue Google for letting him download such an app. It is unlikely that he will get anywhere in the court (though who knows), but it is certainly going to damage the image and public perception that Google wants to present and translate into the world. In simple words, it is easier and probably safer for them to distance themselves from online gambling platforms and not to get entangled in possible controversies

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Quote from: shoreno on October 16, 2019, 09:50:51 AM

yeah . that should solve thier problem but even me i notice that official sites dont put download links now but what they do is that they only put a google play link or an appstore link . they want us to download on the store . also , i see many card games simillar to poker that are listed on the appstore and on the google playstore . i think they are also simillar to gambling but why they dont allow gambling apps ? uploading gambling apps on other file/app hosting sites is also a good option .

Exactly, playstore is crowded by Domino QiuQiu and so far it's okay. I don't know much about playstore / appstore policies anyway but we can assume that there is no problem in building mobile app for most gambling site.

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The reason that such gambling platforms don't invest in mobile apps is that Play Store has very strict policies regarding such apps.

FYI, gambling apps published through Google Play Store are available in UK, Ireland, and France only. The company has to fill out a detailed contract complete with a gambling license and whatnot.

WWW has seen a shift from desktop to increase in mobile users, but as far as crypto users are concerned most still use pc's and that are still willing to gamble on their mobiles can just use the website.

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The reason that such gambling platforms don't invest in mobile apps is that Play Store has very strict policies regarding such apps.

FYI, gambling apps published through Google Play Store are available in UK, Ireland, and France only. The company has to fill out a detailed contract complete with a gambling license and whatnot.

WWW has seen a shift from desktop to increase in mobile users, but as far as crypto users are concerned most still use pc's and that are still willing to gamble on their mobiles can just use the website.

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Quote from: coingal2017 on October 11, 2019, 12:01:27 PM

Hi everyone:

Good day. Need some guidance on my study now. I am currently studying blockchain/smart contract/decentralized casino, just wondering why that is no android/IOS app available on listed TOP 20 casino in DAPPRADAR. Is that anything related to technical limitation or any other specific reason. Appreciate if anyone can explain it to me. Thank you.

Because simply those casinos didnt tend to make their own on making some apps which can be convenient for most mobile users.

This isnt really related to technical limitation or any other reason because the team itself will decide if they do consider out that basic norm
on having an app or not but i shall say that it isnt really that necessary to have one.

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Quote from: Yatsan on October 15, 2019, 08:54:23 PM

I think because there is more player in the browser. And playstore and appstore don't permit gambling apps in their platform because that will be against their rule. And when they launch an app that will be hosted on their site, there will be no source of income or rather ad income there. So the best option they have is to launch a website for their platform, because simply the Application will not be that profitable.

Then just don't put it right there, simply let people to download through the official site. The most make sense reasons is that most people in this blockchain space have their own PC or Laptop and they are active on it more than on smartphone. Hence, it's more convenient to play on the site instead of on their smartphone.

yeah . that should solve thier problem but even me i notice that official sites dont put download links now but what they do is that they only put a google play link or an appstore link . they want us to download on the store . also , i see many card games simillar to poker that are listed on the appstore and on the google playstore . i think they are also simillar to gambling but why they dont allow gambling apps ? uploading gambling apps on other file/app hosting sites is also a good option .

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Quote from: Yatsan on October 15, 2019, 08:54:23 PM

I think because there is more player in the browser. And playstore and appstore don't permit gambling apps in their platform because that will be against their rule. And when they launch an app that will be hosted on their site, there will be no source of income or rather ad income there. So the best option they have is to launch a website for their platform, because simply the Application will not be that profitable.

Then just don't put it right there, simply let people to download through the official site. The most make sense reasons is that most people in this blockchain space have their own PC or Laptop and they are active on it more than on smartphone. Hence, it's more convenient to play on the site instead of on their smartphone.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 16, 2019, 12:00:31 AM

Quote from: deisik on October 15, 2019, 01:59:25 PM

But what's in it for them?

Maybe not casino per se.
With their (running games of chance) experience, they could create "simulated gambling" games to earn from ads and virtual currency purchases (like mana or gold). Imagine mobile apps that enable users to play dice with virtual (worthless) tokens for fun, playing poker with friends, messaging, commenting, contests and leaderboards, etc.

I think Match365 is a beautiful example of this use case in a soccer betting environment. Grin

*Maybe we have gotten off-topic here.

I do not think gamblers really care about all those additional things like ads, virtual currency purchase or mana or whatever. Gamers maybe,,, and if you can find a way to combine gaming and gambling, ok I would give it a shot. But take a real look at actual serious gamblers and they want the gambling experience not to be too distracting. Which sounds like what most sites become with chat and extra interactive stuff.

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Quote from: deisik on October 15, 2019, 01:59:25 PM

But what's in it for them?

Maybe not casino per se.
With their (running games of chance) experience, they could create "simulated gambling" games to earn from ads and virtual currency purchases (like mana or gold). Imagine mobile apps that enable users to play dice with virtual (worthless) tokens for fun, playing poker with friends, messaging, commenting, contests and leaderboards, etc.

I think Match365 is a beautiful example of this use case in a soccer betting environment. Grin

*Maybe we have gotten off-topic here.

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I think because there is more player in the browser. And playstore and appstore don't permit gambling apps in their platform because that will be against their rule. And when they launch an app that will be hosted on their site, there will be no source of income or rather ad income there. So the best option they have is to launch a website for their platform, because simply the Application will not be that profitable.

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Quote from: deisik on October 15, 2019, 01:59:25 PM

As far as I know, online casinos don't show ads, and I'm not sure if Google would like to have them there anyway.

Unless I've read things wrong or this isn't the only content Google disallows for their AdSense platform (click for direct page link), Google doesn't explicitly say that they don't let you place their ads on gambling-related sites as long as the way you're representing the content isn't misleading or dishonest in any way. Google's also provided a page on their AdSense FAQ (click for direct link) that shows other basic policies of AdSense here that you must follow to participate in their program.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 15, 2019, 10:40:53 AM

For ads, google has AdMob for mobile apps and AdSense for web content. Of course, it has different pay rates, size, video capability, etc. In freemium games, users can be "forced" to consume ads to get more playtime or power-ups. Also, It's more difficult to block ads on apps

Thanks for the detailed explanation

Quote from: mu_enrico on October 15, 2019, 10:40:53 AM

However, in the future, maybe casino operators would create such a business model so they will be benefited from mobile apps

But what's in it for them?

As far as I know, online casinos don't show ads, and I'm not sure if Google would like to have them there anyway. In other words, casino operators are likely quite happy with mobile versions of their gambling platforms. If anything, it will be mostly for marketing purposes should such apps appear, and for this end we might expect some big guns in the field (say, PrimeDice) to release their own gambling apps on mobile (and then add a desktop variety too)

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Quote from: deisik on October 14, 2019, 05:12:39 AM

Could you please expand more on this?

As far as I know, modern browsers support notifications, so in this regard there is nothing that such apps offer that browsers don't. Further, I'm not sure if in-app advertisements are somehow different from same advertisements presented on a web page (if what I think is what you mean, of course).

I think "the devil is in the detail."

While browsers also support notification, it is a relatively new technology. It also needs consent before it can be used. I haven't for once click "yes" for that matter. While in apps, push notif is on by default (opt-in by default) << CMIIW; this was when I worked as a mobile apps tester years ago so that it might be outdated.

For ads, google has AdMob for mobile apps and AdSense for web content. Of course, it has different pay rates, size, video capability, etc. In freemium games, users can be "forced" to consume ads to get more playtime or power-ups. Also, It's more difficult to block ads on apps.

However, in the future, maybe casino operators would create such a business model so they will be benefited from mobile apps.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 14, 2019, 04:51:27 AM

It's a bit different if we talk about other mobile apps, since it offers various other ways to monetize the apps, for instance, with push notifications and in-app advertisements. Apps also provide a more streamlined payment mechanism.

I didn't see any single significant gambling site till data that serves advertisements. Gambling business if run properly is already very lucrative so no reason why gambling sites want to include ads or push notifications to irritate players. Moreover, unlike other niche which are more mobile-concentrated, most of the crypto users are desktop-users.

Well, developers and gambling owners can simply just used the browser in playing in their respective gambling site, and they can be cost-effective and would lessen their finances, but I guess mobile apps have a different vide on it and they sure can do if developers would truly want it, in my opinion, they can have different UI and security features that can be added with a specific feature using your phone it can be a finger tech authentication or even a face tech authentication feature.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 14, 2019, 04:51:27 AM

It's a bit different if we talk about other mobile apps, since it offers various other ways to monetize the apps, for instance, with push notifications and in-app advertisements. Apps also provide a more streamlined payment mechanism.

I didn't see any single significant gambling site till data that serves advertisements. Gambling business if run properly is already very lucrative so no reason why gambling sites want to include ads or push notifications to irritate players. Moreover, unlike other niche which are more mobile-concentrated, most of the crypto users are desktop-users.

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Quote from: coingal2017 on October 11, 2019, 12:01:27 PM

Hi everyone:

Good day. Need some guidance on my study now. I am currently studying blockchain/smart contract/decentralized casino, just wondering why that is no android/IOS app available on listed TOP 20 casino in DAPPRADAR. Is that anything related to technical limitation or any other specific reason. Appreciate if anyone can explain it to me. Thank you.

Major reputable crypto casinos have well optimized apps for both iOs and Android.DappRadar I don’t know about them but you should check here in the gambling section and you will see that every reputable casino there have their own optimized app which many of us are using daily.

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Quote from: Beparanf on October 14, 2019, 05:07:24 AM

Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 13, 2019, 09:15:25 PM

This phrase comes in my mind: "Why you develop an android/ios app when it can work in browser?"
I think it is much easier to develop and maintain an web based casino system. That's why it's so minimal casinos that have some mobile application but if there will be then it's much better.
(...)

We prefer mobile apps for accessibility and comfortably than in browser since we can access it anytime by just clicking the icon in our mobile apps, plus the screen and graphics will be really suit in whatever device we use since apps will adjust in it and sometimes much easier to login unlike in browser, (...).

Exacly, this is also what I want to say. User interface in mobile application is much better than in browser, much responsive especially in any device, friendly user.
And also what I notice when a gambling site is using an mobile application is can also avoid some phishing website or fake website copying the original since you are not using browser then it much risk free.
Hoping one of the popular casino in cryptocurrency will start to develop their own mobile application so we can really experience those.

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Quote from: deisik on October 14, 2019, 05:12:39 AM

As far as I know, modern browsers support notifications, so in this regard there is nothing that such apps offer that browsers don't.

With an app you can send notifications even when the app is not active, as well as do other background tasks, such as tracking user's location, which are not possible with merely a website. That's not necessarily a deal breaker for a gambling site but definitely a must-have for something like Uber.

Also there are certain UI elements and touchscreen features that don't translate well to a web interface and/or don't work consistently across all browsers.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 14, 2019, 04:51:27 AM

@deisik

It's a bit different if we talk about other mobile apps, since it offers various other ways to monetize the apps, for instance, with push notifications and in-app advertisements. Apps also provide a more streamlined payment mechanism

Could you please expand more on this?

As far as I know, modern browsers support notifications, so in this regard there is nothing that such apps offer that browsers don't. Further, I'm not sure if in-app advertisements are somehow different from same advertisements presented on a web page (if what I think is what you mean, of course). All in all, we need to find at least one example of some useful feature (i.e. not contrived or invented for the sake of example) at which a mobile-friendly site would suck while a mobile app shine

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on October 13, 2019, 09:15:25 PM

This phrase comes in my mind: "Why you develop an android/ios app when it can work in browser?"
I think it is much easier to develop and maintain an web based casino system. That's why it's so minimal casinos that have some mobile application but if there will be then it's much better.
I am more comfortable using android/ios applications than using it to some mobile browsers.

We prefer mobile apps for accessibility and comfortably than in browser since we can access it anytime by just clicking the icon in our mobile apps, plus the screen and graphics will be really suit in whatever device we use since apps will adjust in it and sometimes much easier to login unlike in browser, however no gambling sites yet develop mobile app that accept bitcoin or crypto, those gambling sites popular here in our forum I guess are not yet ready to put updates in mobile apps so they are better be played in computer browser than mobile browser.

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@deisik

It's a bit different if we talk about other mobile apps, since it offers various other ways to monetize the apps, for instance, with push notifications and in-app advertisements. Apps also provide a more streamlined payment mechanism.

However, for casinos, I don't think the operators will get these additional benefits.

IMO, Google and Apple won't support payments for online gambling. << this statement may be wrong though since I'm not following their new policies, only common sense. Any correction would be appreciated.

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