Question about Live Roulette - page 2.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 07, 2016, 01:29:30 PM

Quote from: sherbyspark on January 06, 2016, 07:13:38 PM

Yes its live. The way its probably fair is that sites like Cloudbet and all have this chat window. So each time someone joins, they welcome them by there username. So its obvious its live. And since its a continous shot, they can't be moving the ball to any other place.

Another theory is rigging the result through some magnet system, but in that you will have to again consider the fact that it is not just a single person playing. So they could do some change so as to alter the result making them in net profits, however even in that you would easily catch a slight change of motion of the ball, and with black and red it is impossible to be so precise.

I doubt even auto bots can welcome you on live chats like those web cam scam chatrooms.They even respond to few of your commands ,but that's something else.Anyhow I will be keen on finding this out.

Autobots can't be live. Live means a live person in front of the camera and they talk to you . Autobots is not live. Not sure what you mean there.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 07, 2016, 01:06:18 AM

Well in that case I am pretty sure a virtual provabily fair random generator is safer then a live roulette. Since you are not there in person who knows if its rigged or not. Like someone mentioned before, there could easily be a magnet in the ball.

Provably fair RNG is the best and safer thing to use for gambling right now since it will be the only way for us gambler to know wether or not we have been cheated by the house. I've read it somewhere else that it is easy to land balls on roulette wheel as your wish if you trained to do it

Casinos have cheated on such games ever since they were created with magnets beneath the tables and shaped dice. Live casinos have an even easier job because you can't inspect the table.
Be aware of the risk and play safe Wink

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In live roulette dealers are reals,but the roullete is electronic.
You can watch on bets,and wait for more same colors.
After this,you need to bet on reverse color.

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Quote from: SyGambler on January 06, 2016, 11:05:09 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 06, 2016, 03:19:43 PM

I wanted to know how a live roulette works and how they assure its provably fair.Like do they really have someone behind the screen who is being live broadcasting the game or its just a auto-bot again? I know the question is really silly but just couldn't seem to get this off my head.All answers appreciated .

live roulette is for sure fair , you don't have to check the provably fair system cause everything is happening live
there are plenty of bitcoin sites offering it
once you enter the dealer will welcome you and you will play while other players are also playing

Yeah are these dealers like live humans or auto bets ? How does one assure ? As mentioned in my above posts there is no way to determine that and fairness of the game.

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Quote from: sherbyspark on January 06, 2016, 07:13:38 PM

Yes its live. The way its probably fair is that sites like Cloudbet and all have this chat window. So each time someone joins, they welcome them by there username. So its obvious its live. And since its a continous shot, they can't be moving the ball to any other place.

Another theory is rigging the result through some magnet system, but in that you will have to again consider the fact that it is not just a single person playing. So they could do some change so as to alter the result making them in net profits, however even in that you would easily catch a slight change of motion of the ball, and with black and red it is impossible to be so precise.

I doubt even auto bots can welcome you on live chats like those web cam scam chatrooms.They even respond to few of your commands ,but that's something else.Anyhow I will be keen on finding this out.

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Quote from: edmundduke on January 06, 2016, 03:37:53 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 06, 2016, 03:19:43 PM

Well it really depends on the casino and the "Live" version provider. Usually there are a few providers and the games are as fair as they can get on a video roulette. I dont really think there is a real way of showing that it is provably fair, best you can ask is that the service they provide is legal and checked by an agency. Other than that, who knows what goes on there.

The point of my thread being,I literally wanted to know how can we make sure that it is provably fair.Thanks for the opinion though!

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Quote from: edmundduke on January 06, 2016, 03:37:53 PM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 06, 2016, 03:19:43 PM

I wanted to know how a live roulette works and how they assure its provably fair.Like do they really have someone behind the screen who is being live broadcasting the game or its just a auto-bot again? I know the question is really silly but just couldn't seem to get this off my head.All answers appreciated .

Well it really depends on the casino and the "Live" version provider. Usually there are a few providers and the games are as fair as they can get on a video roulette. I dont really think there is a real way of showing that it is provably fair, best you can ask is that the service they provide is legal and checked by an agency. Other than that, who knows what goes on there.

But even when we're not really sure about the site's provably fair, we kept losing yet we kept playing still.
I never really knew someone personally who won about 100btc on any gambling site here. Maybe we just have some hope. yes true everyone has the chance to win big but that's just it, all we have is just the chance. it stops there.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 07, 2016, 01:06:18 AM

Well in that case I am pretty sure a virtual provabily fair random generator is safer then a live roulette. Since you are not there in person who knows if its rigged or not. Like someone mentioned before, there could easily be a magnet in the ball.

Provably fair RNG is the best and safer thing to use for gambling right now since it will be the only way for us gambler to know wether or not we have been cheated by the house. I've read it somewhere else that it is easy to land balls on roulette wheel as your wish if you trained to do it

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Quote from: ajareselde on January 06, 2016, 07:41:20 PM

Well if it's not live streaming of actual people(staff) running the game, then it isn't live obviously. Roulette by itself in live version can not be
considered as provably fair, as it should be real non virtual game. If you are worried about possibility of staging results, i don't think there's a way to
clear your doubts, but you can choose a trusted casino to play on. From casino point, players have 0 chance of cheating, unless they have a deal with someone from staff that is..

Well in that case I am pretty sure a virtual provabily fair random generator is safer then a live roulette. Since you are not there in person who knows if its rigged or not. Like someone mentioned before, there could easily be a magnet in the ball.

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For those that dont understand about provably faor should atop commenting here since you are embarrasing yourself. There cant be any provably fair with live game, provably means the resukt is already there even before you click and play the game but the result is hidden in hash so this doesnt really applied to live game at all

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 06, 2016, 03:19:43 PM

I wanted to know how a live roulette works and how they assure its provably fair.Like do they really have someone behind the screen who is being live broadcasting the game or its just a auto-bot again? I know the question is really silly but just couldn't seem to get this off my head.All answers appreciated .

live roulette is for sure fair , you don't have to check the provably fair system cause everything is happening live
there are plenty of bitcoin sites offering it
once you enter the dealer will welcome you and you will play while other players are also playing

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Quote from: Everybitbit on January 06, 2016, 10:33:19 PM

i dont think live roulette have provably fair system lol. its depend on live mode isnt it.?
but i think on live roulette theres a way for them to cheat player too.. i dont really like to play roulette its quite hard to win unless have alot of funds.

Anything can be rigged, with provable fair system it becomes a little difficult but with live version without any provable fairness its very easy.

I like playing roulette and have made profit from it in the past but it can be hard and requires good funds management.

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i dont think live roulette have provably fair system lol. its depend on live mode isnt it.?
but i think on live roulette theres a way for them to cheat player too.. i dont really like to play roulette its quite hard to win unless have alot of funds.

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Guys, live roulette is interesting thing

You could google roulette wheels manufactures and you will see some very interesting features offered: Like 100% prediction on which number will stop the ball. And it's official, legal feature.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on January 06, 2016, 03:19:43 PM

I wanted to know how a live roulette works and how they assure its provably fair.Like do they really have someone behind the screen who is being live broadcasting the game or its just a auto-bot again? I know the question is really silly but just couldn't seem to get this off my head.All answers appreciated .

Some people said live roulette is more rigged than not live roulette. i don't know is it right or not, because i never play live casino roulette. i prefer blackjack and poker than roulette

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Quote from: sherbyspark on January 06, 2016, 07:48:06 PM

Quote from: ajareselde on January 06, 2016, 07:41:20 PM

but you can choose a trusted casino to play on. From casino point, players have 0 chance of cheating, unless they have a deal with someone from staff that is..

That doesn't matter much . One thing to note is that all the live casinos that you see on sites, aren't hosted by casinos themselves. They are live rooms which sell their service to these casinos for a fixed price. You will probably even see the same rooms on multiple sites.
The other thing to think about fairness is that since those live services are sold on a plan basis, they would not cheat/rig as they gain nothing themselves.

I have to admit that i didn't know that those are separate services, i always assumed they are owned and runned by casinos themselves.
In regards to fairness of those services, i beg to differ, since they could easily "earn" multiple times their profit from runing a honest service in just a single staged hand.
You could compare the case with exchange sites as they also earn a lot just by operating, but still, over the years many have turned up to be not so interested in running a honest business.

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Quote from: ajareselde on January 06, 2016, 07:41:20 PM

but you can choose a trusted casino to play on. From casino point, players have 0 chance of cheating, unless they have a deal with someone from staff that is..

That doesn't matter much . One thing to note is that all the live casinos that you see on sites, aren't hosted by casinos themselves. They are live rooms which sell their service to these casinos for a fixed price. You will probably even see the same rooms on multiple sites.
The other thing to think about fairness is that since those live services are sold on a plan basis, they would not cheat/rig as they gain nothing themselves.

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Well if it's not live streaming of actual people(staff) running the game, then it isn't live obviously. Roulette by itself in live version can not be
considered as provably fair, as it should be real non virtual game. If you are worried about possibility of staging results, i don't think there's a way to
clear your doubts, but you can choose a trusted casino to play on. From casino point, players have 0 chance of cheating, unless they have a deal with someone from staff that is..

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Quote from: adaseb on January 06, 2016, 07:20:06 PM

Quote from: sherbyspark on January 06, 2016, 07:13:38 PM

Yes its live. The way its probably fair is that sites like Cloudbet and all have this chat window. So each time someone joins, they welcome them by there username. So its obvious its live. And since its a continous shot, they can't be moving the ball to any other place.

Another theory is rigging the result through some magnet system, but in that you will have to again consider the fact that it is not just a single person playing. So they could do some change so as to alter the result making them in net profits, however even in that you would easily catch a slight change of motion of the ball, and with black and red it is impossible to be so precise.

Which casino have a real live roulette wheel? I assumed it was all based on random numbers using house edge. Didn't think it was an actual live wheel.

Cloudbet / mbit casino and I think the one I have in my sig link also has a live casino. Live casinos would be the ones where you have actual people on the camera and will have proof to show its actually live(calling out usernames who join is an example) .

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Quote from: sherbyspark on January 06, 2016, 07:13:38 PM

Yes its live. The way its probably fair is that sites like Cloudbet and all have this chat window. So each time someone joins, they welcome them by there username. So its obvious its live. And since its a continous shot, they can't be moving the ball to any other place.

Another theory is rigging the result through some magnet system, but in that you will have to again consider the fact that it is not just a single person playing. So they could do some change so as to alter the result making them in net profits, however even in that you would easily catch a slight change of motion of the ball, and with black and red it is impossible to be so precise.

Which casino have a real live roulette wheel? I assumed it was all based on random numbers using house edge. Didn't think it was an actual live wheel.

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