Half hour ago price went to from 8250€ to 8350€. Does this mean that many people agreed to sell it in that price? Why?
Later, it went again to 8250€.
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Whales have been manipulating the market ever since. So that is possible, although it might be very hard today because of so many market players.
We can follow the whales by analyzing the market movements. Although we can not always make the biggest profit, we can still make a profit. That is why we don't have to listen to other people's speculation because we can analyze ourselves. We can learn from their analysis, but we still need to analyze to find more signs from their analysis. That will be useful for us to determine the time to enter the market.
if does then many of us now must be profiting and there will be no loser?
Following the whales trading history is not that easy task.
They are very secretive because they don't wanna leak their manipulation and their bagging of money.
Step closer if you can but i doubt that you'll find it that easy.
Yes, it is as simple as that. No, we can not profit if we don't know how to follow behind the whales. Yes, it is not an easy task to follow the whales trading history, but if you can analyze better every day, you will know when the whales enter the market, and you will have a good time to follow behind them. I can not always behind on the whales because I don't trade every day now. You can try by yourself
Whales realized that there are not that many regulations on crypto like there is on other stuff, this is what they are actually doing.
I mean for example if all exchanges agree to the fact that bitcoin can't be bought at over 10 million dollars worth of it in 1 day, that means anyone who has an account would be only able to buy 10 million dollars worth of it. Would it drop volume and liquidity?
A TON but that would be sacrificing I would be willing to make. That way we would know that nobody could just buy 500 million or sell 500 million worth of bitcoin and just destroy the market, they are manipulating t with their money and it hurts a lot. Look at all the future traders, sometimes longs are a lot so shorts liquidate them, sometimes shorts are bigger and longs liquidate them, that manipulation hurts us.
I mean for example if all exchanges agree to the fact that bitcoin can't be bought at over 10 million dollars worth of it in 1 day, that means anyone who has an account would be only able to buy 10 million dollars worth of it. Would it drop volume and liquidity?
A TON but that would be sacrificing I would be willing to make. That way we would know that nobody could just buy 500 million or sell 500 million worth of bitcoin and just destroy the market, they are manipulating t with their money and it hurts a lot. Look at all the future traders, sometimes longs are a lot so shorts liquidate them, sometimes shorts are bigger and longs liquidate them, that manipulation hurts us.
Whales have been manipulating the market ever since. So that is possible, although it might be very hard today because of so many market players.
We can follow the whales by analyzing the market movements. Although we can not always make the biggest profit, we can still make a profit. That is why we don't have to listen to other people's speculation because we can analyze ourselves. We can learn from their analysis, but we still need to analyze to find more signs from their analysis. That will be useful for us to determine the time to enter the market.
if does then many of us now must be profiting and there will be no loser?
Following the whales trading history is not that easy task.
They are very secretive because they don't wanna leak their manipulation and their bagging of money.
Step closer if you can but i doubt that you'll find it that easy.
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Merit: 541
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Whales have been manipulating the market ever since. So that is possible, although it might be very hard today because of so many market players.
We can follow the whales by analyzing the market movements. Although we can not always make the biggest profit, we can still make a profit. That is why we don't have to listen to other people's speculation because we can analyze ourselves. We can learn from their analysis, but we still need to analyze to find more signs from their analysis. That will be useful for us to determine the time to enter the market.
I am not an expert but whenever the situation comes to a sudden change whether it goes up or down my opinion is there might be a group of whales behind that can change the situation whatever they like.
Whales have been manipulating the market ever since. So that is possible, although it might be very hard today because of so many market players.
It all matters with Supply and demand!
Definitely this is still the basic economic law that govern even bitcoin market. Currently the demand is just so-so, that's why the price is just hovering $9k++ range and other call this boring movement. Simply put, demand is low as show by the lower trading volumes we have seen in the last couple of weeks, after a push to $10.5k.
300$ movement in a brief period is basically someone hoovering up available supply and requiring some of the higher priced contracts in order to fulfil that volume of buying. When I say someone it can be one person, one person representing a collective group like a company or trust or it might be a group of people in one area of the world who all have the motivation to buy BTC at that moment perhaps to bet on an event or similar kind of usage.
On top of natural movement, of course we have speculation even within a normal buyer appearing the traders on an exchange will notice and take part in the rise in order to sell higher then they just bought and people will spend all day looking for that opportunity.
On top of natural movement, of course we have speculation even within a normal buyer appearing the traders on an exchange will notice and take part in the rise in order to sell higher then they just bought and people will spend all day looking for that opportunity.
Hello, few minutes ago price of BTC went from 8700$ to 9000$
I haven't searched it here neither googled it but how and why does this happen? Sorry if it sounds stupid. Does it have to do with buying? Did many people bought bitcoins that time? That's why it got increased?
I haven't searched it here neither googled it but how and why does this happen? Sorry if it sounds stupid. Does it have to do with buying? Did many people bought bitcoins that time? That's why it got increased?
It all matters with Supply and demand!
In simple Economics class then when theres demand then there would be significant change in price and if theres none then expect neither it would
go down or would be moving sideways.This is why we do have traders which do trade up crypto neither they would come after for a rise or would
wait for a fall down.This had been always like this and in order to make up some bucks then speculative analysis is always been a common thing.
There are hundreds of unique factors which relate to the price rise and fall. It falls mostly because miners want to redeem their BTC in cash and so a sell-off takes place, or some whale enters and decides to buy/sell BTC and wants to pay premium or wants them at lower price, then you may see a shake off in the markets. If there's a buy order that's set below the current market price but it has lots of money involved and the whale slips it down every time it gets reached, then a sell off may take place. When sellers are exhausted and bigger whales want smaller ones to buy their BTC for a premium rate, they increase the price a bit and sell them to those smaller ones at higher rates.
It is not impossible, we are talking about satoshi opening up a website himself and selling all his bitcoins for 1 dollar per coin, now obviously nothing like that would ever happen, satoshi is not an idiot and he probably has enough money to survive otherwise he would simply sell his coins.
However one thing is uncertain, do you guys really think he still holds keys to his coins? I feel like dude decided he himself can't trust himself so maybe he burned all the information regarding his coins and destroyed all connections to it so even if he wanted to and even if he worked really hard for it, there is no more chance to get it back? That is one way of thinking, because if that is the case that means nobody has too many bitcoins, even including satoshi, which means bitcoin can't drop in price too quickly.
However one thing is uncertain, do you guys really think he still holds keys to his coins? I feel like dude decided he himself can't trust himself so maybe he burned all the information regarding his coins and destroyed all connections to it so even if he wanted to and even if he worked really hard for it, there is no more chance to get it back? That is one way of thinking, because if that is the case that means nobody has too many bitcoins, even including satoshi, which means bitcoin can't drop in price too quickly.
If we assume that Satoshi opens a site and starts selling his bitcoins for 1$ each, will this affect the price? Will it reduce it hugely?
There will be more supply in the entire circulation if satoshi do that and that means the bitcoin will become cheaper. But this IF statement is unlikely to happen. But if a whale does this, why would he be selling cheap bitcoins at a steal? I don't think that this will ever happen.
No one in right mind will surely sell off those coins in the current market price ever they do able to grasp the chance on getting it all. They know that price can even go way more
high in near future. Coin circulation did increase but doesnt mean that market price will decline since theres no huge sell off that do happen.
So that very personality can possibly who knows give that giveaway and steal to everyone. But anyway, let's move on and forget about these what ifs and go on to the next topic.
If we assume that Satoshi opens a site and starts selling his bitcoins for 1$ each, will this affect the price? Will it reduce it hugely?
There will be more supply in the entire circulation if satoshi do that and that means the bitcoin will become cheaper. But this IF statement is unlikely to happen. But if a whale does this, why would he be selling cheap bitcoins at a steal? I don't think that this will ever happen.
No one in right mind will surely sell off those coins in the current market price ever they do able to grasp the chance on getting it all. They know that price can even go way more
high in near future. Coin circulation did increase but doesnt mean that market price will decline since theres no huge sell off that do happen.
First of all if Satoshi manages to open a website that can sustain that much requests, that would require no way "hide the codes of the nukes of the world" level of traffic sustaining website, at least 100 million people will try to go to that website. However, let's assume traffic holds and website actually works, if he sells each bitcoin for 1 dollars, people will buy it out in 30 seconds tops, wouldn't even take that long probably but I just wanted to give it some time, say 10 minutes if you want, in short it would be super quick.
Would this cause a drop in the price for a while? Sure it would, people who bought it for 1 dollars will sell it for 10k right away and suddenly everyone will sell and cause it to be maybe under 1k once again. But, eventually it will go higher than 10k because there is no more satoshi and no more bulk coins in anyone anymore.
Would this cause a drop in the price for a while? Sure it would, people who bought it for 1 dollars will sell it for 10k right away and suddenly everyone will sell and cause it to be maybe under 1k once again. But, eventually it will go higher than 10k because there is no more satoshi and no more bulk coins in anyone anymore.
Hello, few minutes ago price of BTC went from 8700$ to 9000$
I haven't searched it here neither googled it but how and why does this happen? Sorry if it sounds stupid. Does it have to do with buying? Did many people bought bitcoins that time? That's why it got increased?
Welcome to the crypto market Volatility mate,if you are serious about your question?then it will occur every hour or days?because this is a normal market flow and this serves as indicator that the market is Active and healthy.I haven't searched it here neither googled it but how and why does this happen? Sorry if it sounds stupid. Does it have to do with buying? Did many people bought bitcoins that time? That's why it got increased?
Imagine the prices of crypto doesn't move for a whole day or more?i am sure you will be in bad thinking if that happens.
Not only in crypto market, just take the whole world as an example if more people are buying something particularly and there are only less people are selling it means the people who have urge to buy will pay more and will grab their product which is the thing happens with the crypto market price movement as well.
That is what the economy calls Supply and the Demand ,that dictates the market movement and the vaue of each currencies being traded in this market.If we assume that Satoshi opens a site and starts selling his bitcoins for 1$ each, will this affect the price? Will it reduce it hugely?
There will be more supply in the entire circulation if satoshi do that and that means the bitcoin will become cheaper. But this IF statement is unlikely to happen. But if a whale does this, why would he be selling cheap bitcoins at a steal? I don't think that this will ever happen.
If we assume that Satoshi opens a site and starts selling his bitcoins for 1$ each, will this affect the price? Will it reduce it hugely?
Bulk buying and bulk selling are really having a huge price impact on the market. With that case (as we assume), it absolutely whales will make the bulk buying and so do I, of course.We live in this volatile market, everything seems to be unpredictable. We usually do speculations but that just we all assuming and nothing it guarantees in the ends. Crypto investment is spreading and as well as the adoption, and this will be the reason that we can never saw the price turning back to $1 nor a person could sell it with that price.
It's impossible but if satoshi sells his coins for $1 each. Many will buy and sell it to the exchanges in less than a minute while the price is $9k and the cap will definitely drop when support level breaks because of the number of coins being sold. The price will lie to the bids of the buyers which is how much a trader is willing to buy and that will be its current price.
If we assume that Satoshi opens a site and starts selling his bitcoins for 1$ each, will this affect the price? Will it reduce it hugely?
Bulk buying and bulk selling are really having a huge price impact on the market. With that case (as we assume), it absolutely whales will make the bulk buying and so do I, of course.We live in this volatile market, everything seems to be unpredictable. We usually do speculations but that just we all assuming and nothing it guarantees in the ends. Crypto investment is spreading and as well as the adoption, and this will be the reason that we can never saw the price turning back to $1 nor a person could sell it with that price.
Exactly, because with this signal groups you can make mass effect and larger number of people will make their actions. Whales are not so influental and their impact on the market is not as big as might think
Of, course everyone decides for himself and does what he wants but these signal gropus have big deal in speculation and at the end they make more harm than any use at all.
Of, course everyone decides for himself and does what he wants but these signal gropus have big deal in speculation and at the end they make more harm than any use at all.
Their direct impact is minimal and temporary, but a drop in an ocean in the big scheme of things. It is the cumulative impact of the great many who sway the sentiment in the end. Self fulfilling prophecies have a way of making themselves obvious when people see what they are looking for. Like I said, I've been in those channels myself so I get it!
Not only in crypto market, just take the whole world as an example if more people are buying something particularly and there are only less people are selling it means the people who have urge to buy will pay more and will grab their product which is the thing happens with the crypto market price movement as well.
You mean manipulation? I also think like you. sometimes when the market is about to have a big fluctuation, the whales have money transfers on exchanges. In Whale Alert on Telegram, every time there are large amounts of transactions, it is detected. Therefore, we can conclude that this market is controlled by a large group of people with bitcoins. so technical analysis will sometimes be incorrect.
I rather think people following whale alerts on Telegram and then jumping aboard all these hundreds of signal groups does more for market manipulation than any other whale on its own.
Not blaming or pointing fingers. I coughed up to join a group myself a couple of years back and saw all its ugliness for what it was.
Exactly, because with this signal groups you can make mass effect and larger number of people will make their actions. Whales are not so influental and their impact on the market is not as big as might think
Of, course everyone decides for himself and does what he wants but these signal gropus have big deal in speculation and at the end they make more harm than any use at all.
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