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Quote from: JollyGood on November 02, 2024, 03:10:47 PM

As of yet there does not seem to be any forthcoming announcements from theymos regarding more restrictions being placed on the forum structure therefore hopefully all will remain well. I do think the damage is already done in one way because many members created accounts on another forum after the mixer ban and it clearly demonstrates for them the forum is not indispensable.

It's crazy how many users migrated to this new scam forum, just to grind for these few $ from mixers each week. I recently checked the local German section there and its basically just broken German fake shills and shitposts trying to scam you. Even the mods of the German local board there don't even speak proper German and sound like a translator.

I understand that people wanna earn some $ from signature campaigns, but this place really looks like a shithole, lol.

And if you don't get any value from the stuff you're reading, $50 for 20 posts sound like a pretty bad deal (if you're living in a western country).

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As of yet there does not seem to be any forthcoming announcements from theymos regarding more restrictions being placed on the forum structure therefore hopefully all will remain well. I do think the damage is already done in one way because many members created accounts on another forum after the mixer ban and it clearly demonstrates for them the forum is not indispensable.

Take away the campaigns and the forum will not survive in the current format because most members along with their alt-accounts and accounts farms will migrate elsewhere. I doubt a campaign ban will ever be introduced but as you stated, further restrictions could kill traffic on the forum.

Quote from: Poker Player on November 01, 2024, 04:02:14 AM

Basically it would be a disaster, with a drastic reduction in traffic to this forum. There would be a few who are around here without wearing a paid signature, very few, the few who were still in a campaign and a few others who would hang around waiting for new campaigns to emerge, but in short it would be a blow to the life of the forum.

I already warned when the ban on mixers went into effect, that further restrictions could kill the traffic on the forum.

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Quote from: Darker45 on October 28, 2024, 10:17:25 PM

As Metallica's song goes, "you know it's sad but true, sad but true." The question at this point in time is, how can we make bitcointalk.org relevant again? How can we make bitcointalk.org great again?

Hardy possible imho. Forum culture is dieing, not only on Bitcointalk. Besides that, the forum layout lacks updates for years, the search function isn't newbie friendly and there is so much information here, that you get overwhelmed quite quickly. I could go on with this list, but there have been several threads already.

Quote from: NotATether on October 31, 2024, 01:43:54 AM

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It's quite easy to gain followers, if you do it right. I run several accounts which are monetized (and started about 12-18 months ago to focus more on twitter). Even if you're starting with zero followers today, u can get up to 10k quite quickly.

Just enter the shitcoin niche, get into some relevant cults and you will gain tons of followers quite quickly (if that's your goal ofc).

Besides that there are tons of good and bad Bitcoin and crypto information on Twitter. I prefer lists to follow relevant accounts in each niche to stay up to date.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 29, 2024, 02:26:25 AM

At the moment the campaign landscape is 99% populated by betting companies. If they pull out of the forum, there will be a drop in payouts for remaining campaigns and there will be a disparity between the campaigns on offer versus the number of members seeking to enrol.

Basically it would be a disaster, with a drastic reduction in traffic to this forum. There would be a few who are around here without wearing a paid signature, very few, the few who were still in a campaign and a few others who would hang around waiting for new campaigns to emerge, but in short it would be a blow to the life of the forum.

I already warned when the ban on mixers went into effect, that further restrictions could kill the traffic on the forum.

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Quote from: bullrun2024bro on October 28, 2024, 05:40:00 AM

The forum losing ground to the thousands other crypto sites out there nowadays. New users coming into the space won't likely start their journey here anymore.

Maybe if someone is doing a deep dive into bitcoin they might end up creating an account on Bitcointalk, but normies investing in "crypto" will likely stay on the platforms they already know (like Reddit or X).

The forum lost most of its ground to X/Twitter. But if you're not actively engaging with bitcoin or crypto posters over there, then you're not going to get anywhere.

And if you have less than 1000 followers, just forget about it.

So I recently put a blue check on my account, to see how that would turn out.

It's sorta like a magnet in that it helps with attracting new followers, but it's going to be a long way to a few thousand+ followers.

You can actually charge people to subscribe to your articles too. So in a way it's sorta breaking crypto news sites too, for those creators who are big enough to have an audience.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 26, 2024, 12:00:28 AM

How much time do paid signature campaigns have left in this forum? I am asking my crystal ball but it does not answer me.

I guess the casino campaigns have some years left but I don't see many other sectors that are going to be interested in advertising here, as they have so many alternatives.

Right now we have one payment processor, Cryptomus doing a campaign here and on their rules it stated that posters are off limit to discussions about gambling.
Although there are a lot of alternatives to advertise their crypto-related platforms, they will still include Bitcointalk to brand their services and products.
I'm sure our managers are working hard to convince products and services that Bitcointalk is worth advertising on their platforms.

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There was a time when ANN threads were more relevant than today, that was when many genuine tokens and coins were being launched years ago. There were plenty of scams too but there were genuine projects too.

I think the altcoin section does not have the pull it used to have once upon a time and that along with the fact other forums and websites for crypto enthusiasts to chat are increasing in number, it will have an overall impact on traffic numbers. As a result of any decline, it has to filter down the ecosystem to affect how much campaign participants get paid.

At the moment the campaign landscape is 99% populated by betting companies. If they pull out of the forum, there will be a drop in payouts for remaining campaigns and there will be a disparity between the campaigns on offer versus the number of members seeking to enrol. It will have a huge impact on traffic when members start going elsewhere.

We know that for historical reasons new members will continue to join but what we cannot negate is the fact that with an outdated forum, new members want something that looks significantly better. If it continues down this path, it will be to the long term detriment of the forum.

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Quote from: bullrun2024bro on October 28, 2024, 05:40:00 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on July 26, 2024, 12:00:28 AM

I guess the casino campaigns have some years left but I don't see many other sectors that are going to be interested in advertising here, as they have so many alternatives.

The forum losing ground to the thousands other crypto sites out there nowadays. New users coming into the space won't likely start their journey here anymore.

Maybe if someone is doing a deep dive into bitcoin they might end up creating an account on Bitcointalk, but normies investing in "crypto" will likely stay on the platforms they already know (like Reddit or X).

In addition to that you have hundred of new crypto news websites, blogs and chat groups popping up every day. And when it comes to altcoins, the forum has completely lost its relevance. In 2017 and earlier, there were tons of legit projects that advertised here, while today the founders don't even know about Bitcointalk anymore.

It's sad, since I really like this place, but I doubt this trend can be stopped.

As Metallica's song goes, "you know it's sad but true, sad but true." The question at this point in time is, how can we make bitcointalk.org relevant again? How can we make bitcointalk.org great again?

Such is a hard thing to answer when Bitcoin is more $71,000 and less decentralized, peer-to-peer, electronic cash system. But I'm hoping that "normies" investing in Bitcoin observes the bare minimum in due diligence-- knowing what you're investing in. It isn't even a deep dive that's required. They know Bitcoin, they must know Satoshi, they might be led here because Satoshi was never on Twitter or Reddit but on this forum.

It seems altcoins these days aren't about technicalities but marketing and images. The most solid of them all like Ethereum, Litecoin, Monero were like bitcointalk babies. In the age of jpegs and inscriptions and investments, this forum might not be that relevant anymore. It's mass marketing that they need. They don't find it here. They can find it on social media.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 26, 2024, 12:00:28 AM

I guess the casino campaigns have some years left but I don't see many other sectors that are going to be interested in advertising here, as they have so many alternatives.

The forum losing ground to the thousands other crypto sites out there nowadays. New users coming into the space won't likely start their journey here anymore.

Maybe if someone is doing a deep dive into bitcoin they might end up creating an account on Bitcointalk, but normies investing in "crypto" will likely stay on the platforms they already know (like Reddit or X).

In addition to that you have hundred of new crypto news websites, blogs and chat groups popping up every day. And when it comes to altcoins, the forum has completely lost its relevance. In 2017 and earlier, there were tons of legit projects that advertised here, while today the founders don't even know about Bitcointalk anymore.

It's sad, since I really like this place, but I doubt this trend can be stopped.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 26, 2024, 12:00:28 AM

I guess the casino campaigns have some years left but I don't see many other sectors that are going to be interested in advertising here, as they have so many alternatives.

So far, at this point of time, casino campaigns are adding up, if there are campaigns stopping, there are new ones coming in and there are a few exchange that launched their campaign that includes the one I'm promoting, The number fo new exchanges in the exchanges announcement is growing; hopefully they utilize the power of Bitcointalk to maximize their presence here.

So far we are doing great with all the campaigns here; its still a mix of casinos and exchanges, and we have yet to see other industries find Bitcointalk as their best alternatives to launch their marketing campaigns.

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Just as a side comment a local Harley dealer who knows that since I got my last bike I have been spending a lot of time in some LiveWire forums asked me if I was interested in having a post tag (their name for signatures) for their dealer.

Offered $1 a post or $1.5 in store credit a post totaled monthly. A pittance compared to here BUT LiveWire(the brand not the dealer) have barely been selling 1000 bikes a year so it's a real small market.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on July 26, 2024, 11:05:22 AM

Signature campaigns are going to last as long as companies find value in them. There really isn't any way to tell if that will be days, weeks, months, or years. Just stack that btc while you can cause one day there will be no more earning it free.

Yep, people can only hope that they will continue them, but that's all right, as long as there are other reputable campaigns going.

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Quote from: Z-tight on August 18, 2024, 12:59:19 PM

... there could possibly be more new campaigns showing up in the weeks to come. The forum is still an attractive place for businesses to advertise and market their product, so services will keep coming, just not as frequently as before and nothing close to the average payrate of before.

I'm sure there will be more campaigns. The campaign managers and their staff never stopped working to introduce Bitcointalk as the best place to advertise their businesses. Hats off to Royse777, Icopress, Hhampuz, and all the other managers who keep this business going.

I'm sure it's not easy because so many businesses or projects still do not know how Bitcointalk works and are not aware of its potential as a platform for building their brand.

Even now there are so many campaigns that are being launched, no need to wait for some time soon.

Naturally the new services that come here would like to make use of the extra advertising space that is available when people fall out of a signature, so in a way the situation with there being enough campaigns and not enough of them just repeats itself on an endless cycle.

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Quote from: Z-tight on August 18, 2024, 12:59:19 PM

... there could possibly be more new campaigns showing up in the weeks to come. The forum is still an attractive place for businesses to advertise and market their product, so services will keep coming, just not as frequently as before and nothing close to the average payrate of before.

I'm sure there will be more campaigns. The campaign managers and their staff never stopped working to introduce Bitcointalk as the best place to advertise their businesses. Hats off to Royse777, Icopress, Hhampuz, and all the other managers who keep this business going.

I'm sure it's not easy because so many businesses or projects still do not know how Bitcointalk works and are not aware of its potential as a platform for building their brand.

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 15, 2024, 04:04:55 AM

Theymos' decision to ban advertisements of bitcoin mixers was a turning point in my opinion. Since then, we have seen a constant decline in payrates. It wasn't long ago when the best forum members could earn $200 a week from their signature space. Those times are gone. The best campaigns now pay $90 to $100 a week. We are already seeing drops to the $70 to $50 zone, and it won't be long until the rates drop again towards $30 or less. After that, the best forum users won't even bother applying for campaigns and will just post when and if they see fit. People are already less active then what they used to be.

I don't think we will go below $50 or $30 in the worst case especially with gambling campaigns.
The new trend might be exchanges as in the past ICOs were dominant and then mixers so the forum is renewed periodically otherwise its value would have decreased since 2015 when the best members stopped posting. You can read posts by DannyHamilton and how the forum has become a bad place since 2014.

The difficulty will be if you have a problem with gambling signatures, here your chances will be very limited.

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 15, 2024, 04:04:55 AM

and it won't be long until the rates drop again towards $30 or less. After that, the best forum users won't even bother applying for campaigns and will just post when and if they see fit. People are already less active then what they used to be.

If that happens then the forum traffic is going to take a very big hit, i know some people like to say the forum isn't just about signature campaigns, which i agree, but the truth is that the signature campaigns contribute a lot to the traffic in the forum and also pushes many users to get better at their post.

Quote from: Apocollapse on August 15, 2024, 11:53:37 PM

Since both Stead.Defi and Dgbet will likely end in the next week, while Godex and Cryptomus not yet started, I expect the traffic will relatively same since two new campaigns will replace two ended campaigns.

We'll see what happens with that, there could possibly be more new campaigns showing up in the weeks to come. The forum is still an attractive place for businesses to advertise and market their product, so services will keep coming, just not as frequently as before and nothing close to the average payrate of before.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on August 15, 2024, 11:53:37 PM

It's also worth to note that July and August is the time people go on their summer holidays. Forum members may be away from their homes and also taking a break from posting on Bitcointalk. As they return to their usual routines, we might see the traffic recover somewhat, but it's not going to get back up to what we had 6 months ago or at this time last year.

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Now look, the traffic is slowly increasing started from July 23 till now.

There was a new campaign opened in July 25 which is Dgbet, and other new campaigns like Stead.Defi in August 1, The Change Ltd in August 9, Cryptomus and Godex in August 12, then Weiss in August 13.

Since both Stead.Defi and Dgbet will likely end in the next week, while Godex and Cryptomus not yet started, I expect the traffic will relatively same since two new campaigns will replace two ended campaigns.

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 15, 2024, 04:04:55 AM

Theymos' decision to ban advertisements of bitcoin mixers was a turning point in my opinion

But there is nothing we can do about it - right?

So better to follow suit and continue to take part in the discussions like we have done in the past. We might see new campaigns come up and eventually the rate of new posts will go up. The forum might be going through a phase affected by the type of campaigns being run and the users currently active.

No big news in crypto at present means lesser new registrations of legit users.

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Theymos' decision to ban advertisements of bitcoin mixers was a turning point in my opinion. Since then, we have seen a constant decline in payrates. It wasn't long ago when the best forum members could earn $200 a week from their signature space. Those times are gone. The best campaigns now pay $90 to $100 a week. We are already seeing drops to the $70 to $50 zone, and it won't be long until the rates drop again towards $30 or less. After that, the best forum users won't even bother applying for campaigns and will just post when and if they see fit. People are already less active then what they used to be.

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