Topic: Questions for CanaryInTheMine - page 4. (Read 4980 times)

Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today


CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.

The people who share the opinions all have their interests aligned as they are all promoting AM1 on havelock, likely are all shareholders of AM1 (many have admitting to being so). They are also promoting their message almost in unison making it appear they are being controlled by one or few people.

He is also forcing the companies that he gave negative trust to prove they are not scamming, this deprives them of due process as due process requires that the aggressor provide evidence against the person they claim to have broken some rule. In other words it is up to Mabsark to give evidence that the companies are scamming or are trying to scam.

I have also not seen very many people on your trust list (if any) stop scams in their tracks.

Oh, they have trades, with you. I have no agenda other than fairness. You are polluting the Trust system with your group buyers. You are also padding your Risked BTC.
If they have no trades or deals, just how is it they appeared on your Trust?

how can they be "rewarded" if you say some have no trades?  your logic is all over the place.  you have an agenda here.
thank you for your feedback and opinion.  i'll be more than happy to look into any actual abuses.

What scams have the many Newbies that only have feedback from your group buys stopped dead in their tracks?

it doesn't appear that Mabsark is abusing his trust.  Highly respected members of the forum have looked at this issue and provided their opinions on a different thread.  If this isn't the case and it can shown and agreed by mods that he is abusing then go ahead and show that.  I haven't seen abuse in this case.  What I have seen is potential scammers getting pissed that they got stopped dead in their tracks.

Again, it's not just about abuse. You have added far too many Newbies and other accounts with very little trades. In doing so, it make you appear to be running your own Circle of Trust to reward buyers. Anyone can see the potential abuse this is leading to.
I officially request you review and prune out the list I have posted so far. I have many more to add.

if someone abuses the trust let me know. 

if i added just because of "sales" the list would probably have over a thousand entries.

It appears that Mabsark is abusing the trust system, but you ended up leaving his positive trust and adding someone to your trust list who previously gave him positive trust.

Having a large trust list does not do anything to stop scams unless they are actually able to use good judgment in spotting potential scams. Even if you were to ignore this fact, the majority of the people on your trust list have only given feedback to you, if anyone.

The result of your trust list is that you have what is essentially a circle of people who have given positive feedback to each-other who all appear to make themselves look trustworthy when they probably are not. This results in people being able to scam by having a somewhat legitimate reason to avoid using escrow for potential deals.

A large trust list also makes it very easy to "cry" scam in order to strong-arm someone to do what they want. Even if people are not abusing the trust system it will result in a lot of false scam reports when someone does not understand how to use the trust system.  

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.

if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

Can someone please point me out the relationship between CanaryInTheMine & friedcat ? Are they some sort of business partner ? I found the following facts about them...

1. friedcat runs ASICminer and CanaryInTheMine leads group buys from it.

2. Anyone speaks against ASICminer or other companies run by friedcat gets thrown out of trust list of CanaryInTheMine or his descendants.

3. Rockminer, the ASICminer partner in AM hash project, is in the signature of CanaryInTheMine.

4. CanaryInTheMine is very supportive about most thing friedcat does...

was this case like this one ? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/if-someone-from-default-trust-is-abusing-hisher-trust-822764
 I've ever ask about it


The power are too great and I can fell it  

+1 on this.

Many of the people on his trust list should not be on the default trust network, which is giving them power that it is not approbate for them to have.

One thing to add is that you (CanaryInTheMine) recently removed someone from your trust list because they made an off the cuff response to an off topic thread saying they might sell their account in the future. I would say that the majority of the accounts above are potential accounts that could be sold in the future, some with the possibility that their owner has no idea of the power they hold and are selling.

In reference to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888960.20

After looking over and looking closely at the Trust details of less than half of your Trust, I found several interesting things. Now, I am not accusing you of anything but needing to prune your list. I find you business savvy and would trade with you.
1. You have quite a few Newbies and users with low post counts or time on the forum.
2. It looks like you have padded your Risked BTC amount. Both seller and buyer seem to share the same Risked amounts. May be the case,  may not but it does look funny.
3. Several of those on your Trust list have less than 1-3 trades and I fail to see how this is just cause to be added to the Trust list.
4. Please prune your enormous list, it is only adding problems to the already flawed system, now and later. Doing business with a user should amass Positive, Neutral or Negative Trust but in any case a few successful trades is not cause to be added to the Trust list.
Only going through less than half, I posted some below. I am not accusing these people of any wrong doing. I do believe most should not be on the Trust list.


Edit:
I have finished browsing through this lengthy list. All I can add is most of it needs to be truncated. So many Newbies, Jr. Members and Member accounts with one common denominator: They bought from CanaryInTheMine.
Everyone, please look through the list for yourself and then decide.
Also to add, If had an agenda, what is it? I don't endorse anyone in particular, I have no sig. campaigns and I used my real account.

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