Topic: Quickseller/ACCTSeller abusing trust system (here we go again!) - page 3. (Read 3231 times)

Nope, that's not at all what I admitted to.  Still not interested in talking about why this is anyway relevant to anything?

God, please forgive me for my sins, tradefortress has said I have transgressed against him, you, God, have taken this as a sin against yourself.  Please forgive humble human me so that I can go back to my small, ant-like life.  I'm sorry I have offended your mightiness.  (But I still secretly hope that more powerful god will be swooping in to end your tyranny---I know it's a long shot, but even a pitiful non-blessed non-god like me can hope.)

EDIT: I think I can start to understand what TerminatorXL is at (I'm a little slow sometimes).  I can see that if I had posted my gripes about quickseller with an alt account instead of with my hero status account then he would have trolled my alt into oblivion but my main account would have been fine.  My main mistake here was disagreeing with a god in public using my main account.

Wait, you don't even want to confirm or deny one of your alt accounts, and you expect me to disclose my identity?
lol.

My account is not a throwaway account. Throwaway accounts do not have such attractive names
And I am not against bitcointalk like you .

are you the author of this article?

And yet... here we are.
I hate having to post with throwaway accounts, but

http://s27.postimg.org/f051yh837/Capture.png
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/

No joke.

I didn't take TF's word for it. I took your word for it. You admitted to running a bot, earning money from it even though doing so was against the TOS, intentionally hid the fact that you were using a bot while trying to maintain plausible deniability, and as a result you received money that was not due to you.

I hadn't really considered this but there is certainly a conflict of interest here which I hadn't given thought to previously.


Why don't you provide some sort of reason why you're interested in digging up old lies that tradefortress told about me?  Unless you admit it's just your bile against me because I disagreed with you and called you a hothead.  You really think you're doing the community some sort of service because you're making trouble for a guy who's got a 3 year trackrecord of zero trades with anyone and only one complaint from a known scammer?

Fun that you say that since TF had not scammed (or been caught scamming) that somehow makes his random accusations more compelling.  It's pretty clear what's going on here.  You're interested in seeing me grovel and you love the power position you're in.  Try to make a reasonable argument that you're up to anything else here and I'll consider rehashing tradefortresses lies about me.  Unless your trust ratings are based on blind acceptance of tradefortress' accusations, in which case you surely need to be removed from default trust because you are merely echoing the opinions of someone who was thusly removed.

I thought it was pretty obvious. Quickseller/Acctseller are giving those negative trust to increase the demand for accounts , so they can sell their own stocked 100 of farmed accounts.

For the default trust list to be credible, those on it should be beyond reproach - the whole trust system is based on it.
Lying about using alt accounts is sufficient, in my eyes, for removal from default trust.

Ok, TerminatorXL, I get it that you agree that these two are alts.  But this is distracting from the focus here.  Only one of these accounts is on default trust and that's the one that is abusing that power.

I have made my prayer to this God (albeit sarcastically).  I fully expect that this God will not accept my prayer (because he will see the unrepentant nature in my heart).

I'm sorta hoping instead that someone will convince this God that there are actually higher Gods who don't like him abusing the humans in this way.

The muppetry here is hilarious. Both accounts hit the ground running, selling bitcointalk accounts *in the first post*.

A n00b can't have bitcointalk accounts to sell, which means both these accounts are alts of further account

Wow, I'm in the megashill/megaspammer class.  Does this have anything to do with the fact that I clear all cookies/private data when I close my browser?  I only have one other account on bitcointalk and I almost never use it so I'm certainly not hopping back and forth between accounts.  This does seem like a bit of a derail, though.  I'd prefer to keep this focused on getting Quickseller/God removed from default-trust for this kind of abuse.

Manually calculate. Post count / time online in days (can see at the top of the page) = PPDO.



PPDO isn't affected by bursts of activity / posting because its an entire account's worth of trend setting. When someone views a page, they get 10 (or 15?) minutes of "online" status before the site declares them "offline" again. Those using shills account hop such that they log in, post, and go offline after the automated 10 / 15 minute period has passed.

And just to be clear, PPDO is something I created and its not some well known anti-shil/spaml metric. It does however do a pretty good job at spotting them / spammers and If Theymos ran the numbers against all accounts it would demonstrate some quite clear trends. However do kind in mind that there is also quite a lot of variation depending on the user's chosen subforums which PPDO does NOT take into account. Ie those discussing freely in off topic / speculation will likely have higher PPDO's than those discussing hardware. PPDO could be standardised further to subforum and the demographics in each, but its not data I have access to.

We could discuss this in a spinoff thread if people are interested, propose some variants to increase accuracy / usefulness. Sorry for the derail.

Here are some random PPDO's of the people in the thread:

tspacepilot 206
LaudaM 173
TerminatorXL 72
erikalui 71.4
redsn0w 60.7
Blazedout419 44.3
quickseller 34.7
dogie 16.3
ACCTseller 12.5

Alright, quicktemper, since you're god here I guess I have no recourse but to plead on my knees for mercy, which is---I'm pretty sure---exactly what you want.

I don't know why you think I'd pm you when you're clearly on a personal vendetta to get me kicked from my sig ad campaign is beyond me.  What would I say, "ok, quickseller, you are god, you have gotten me kicked, I plead for your mercy and forgiveness"?


Uh, with the permission and help of tradefortress, I believe I did.


I don't think so, I'm pretty sure I was testing the bot script with my own account, but jeezus, who can remember this.  If I recall correctly, I was trying to make a wikipedia lookup bot to run in the main chat and answer questions.  I don't know if you're old enough to remember coinchat, but there were many bots providing services.

Uh, no.  You can see in that thread that you necrod that I wasn't even sure who tradefortress was at the time, much less that he was the admin of coinchat, much less that he had anything to do with me.


Nope, again, this is ancient history, but if I recall correctly, I had asked "admin" on coinchat about rules for bots and he never got back to me.  Futhermore, I asked several questions about the bot api and he helped me out.   It's totally nuts for him to accuse me as he did (he made up numbers willy nilly, etc).  He was eventually outed for the person he is.


If I recall correctly, all the coins i withdrew were earned by myself chatting as myself.  I was playing with a bot, under the help of the admin, and not spamming.  Clearly TF says this is untrue, but he's a known scammer.  So, why on earth would you consider this something for you to look into other than your own personal vendetta?



@everybody else, is this how this is supposed to work.  Quickseller didn't like that I accused him of being a hothead and he knew how to use his power to take it out on me.  Now I have to pray to him for forgiveness and if quickselleracctsellerGod is merciful, I will be forgiven and allowed to continue to collect a little change for advertising on bitcointalk.  Is this how default trust is supposed to work?  A guy like me who doesn't do any trading has to pray to a guy with a known hot-temper to hope that he will forgive me and let me go back to getting a little advertising income.  Is this not a clear abuse of default-trust?

Scumbag:
Unlike yourself, I'll publicly state that I'm in no way associated with OP.
All the circumstantial evidence points to Quickseller being your alt, from registration dates being 3 days apart to your writing stile to subs frequented to posting time.

TL;DR: yeah, both accounts are yours.

Lies of TF? You posted you *did* use *bots* to *earn* which is *against TOS*.

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@redsn0w: At the time of that post, i.e. 2 years ago, TF was in default trust list and his negative feedback was shown as trusted. However, after he was removed, it went into untrusted feedback. Bumping this will only help users and I think this is appropriate.

All it took was a simple forum search, it took ~30 seconds, probably longer then it took to think about how to respond to your most recent reply on the ask TF thread to me.

You admitted to scamming TF and coinchat. It does not matter that TF is a scammer. If you scam anyone then you are a scammer. IDK why you are saying TF lied when you admitted to the material facts.

The obvious shill account is obvious. I also find it ironic that you created a shill account for the explicit reason to claim that I am a shill

Why should I deny it. It is not my job to prove my innocence. If the OP wants to claim that I am an alt of someone then he can provide evidence. Once he gives that evidence he can explain how this matters to the dispute in hand and how it is against any rules

Alright tspacepilot scammer, I am not sure why you opened this thread, especially without even a single PM (who is the hothead now?) asking about the trust.

I will reconsider the trust that I left you. I do however have a few questions that you need to explicitly and clearly answer in order for me to make an evaluation:
1 - Did you use a bot on CoinChat used to automatically make posts?
2 - Did you use the above bot with a username with "b0t" as part of it's handle?
3 - Did you receive anything in writing from anyone, ever, that informed you that you were banned from CoinChat?
4 - Did you receive anything in writing from anyone, ever, that informed you that any bot must have the term "bot" in it's handle?
5 - Did you withdraw funds from CoinChat that were "earned" with such bot?

If you dispute 1, 2 or 5 then why did you admit to them in this thread, and if you dispute 3 or 4 then why did you not dispute these facts in the above thread?

Please do not claim that you purchased the account because just yesterday your post history indicates that you personally participated in the above thread and the OP here is written in a way that says the above thread makes a claim against you personally.

There is no statute of limitation on being a scammer, the fact that a scam happened a long time ago does not matter, the reason negative trust was given recently was because I only saw evidence (admission of guilt) of such a scam recently. Despite your paranoid claims, there is no personal vendetta.

Not sure what you're suggesting, that he doesn't distribute his time uniformly across all of his accounts? Why would he?
Both accounts sell/sold bitcointalk accounts. To buy one, one needs to be a bitcointalk member already, so the notion of alt accounts is certainly not foreign to him. Why let the merchandise rot on the shelf? Would you really expect him not to post from those accounts, making them more valuable in the process?

The subs frequented and posting activity by time pretty much overlap. And of course, he doesn't deny the account is his alt.


Do you deny it?