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February 06, 2019, 01:12:01 PM
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Take a look at the unit. There are 2 120mm fans to cool the hashing boards, but the PSU is built in with 2 small fans as well. Small fans spin at very high RPMs to move enough air to cool the PSU, which makes them very noisy.

Yeah, small fast fans are annoying. But I don't have anything I can look at in person, only pics from the net.
Where are the PSU fans located? What size?  60mm, or 100 mm fans? Do you have an idea of their approx. RPM?
I hope I would be able to build a shroud that could supply some of the squirrel fan air to both the boards and the PSU.

From the start, I was afraid that the PSU might be a source of noise, I just wasn't sure how much.
So that might kind of takes the water cooling option off the table. If I have to design a water block for both the hash boards and the PSU, it's getting too pricey and too complicated.
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February 06, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
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As I understand it the S15 only has two intake 120 mm fans on it, does it not?

Maybe one of them is for the PSU. Never the less, the one squirrel fan  would replace both of them with a rating of 630 cfm versus 2x 38 cfm and way more static pressure too.

Take a look at the unit. There are 2 120mm fans to cool the hashing boards, but the PSU is built in with 2 small fans as well. Small fans spin at very high RPMs to move enough air to cool the PSU, which makes them very noisy.
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February 06, 2019, 12:44:38 PM
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Just as an FYI its the PSU fans that really make these units noisy, it is a grating high pitch whine

As I understand it the S15 only has two intake 120 mm fans on it, does it not?

Maybe one of them is for the PSU. Never the less, the one squirrel fan  would replace both of them with a rating of 630 cfm versus 2x 38 cfm and way more static pressure too.

Option 2 would be a nice option but the problem it can void the warranty of the miner unless if you are fine without warranty.

Why not adding this option "noise reduction box"?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0-sAAOSwXtNaeCFZ/s-l300.jpg

You can make your own customize design but this time you need to make a 2 holes on the front and back of the box for intake air and exhaust air.

I'm not sure it would work on s15 miner but it can reduce the noise of s9 miner around 40%.

Yes, I do plan on building a sound proof box. It would be hanging out of the window. So it would take fresh outside air and exhaust to the outside. Or maybe exhaust to inside in winter. Here we get rather cold winters down to -25C. So not sure if the air would be too cold for the electronics. If so I would just slow the fan speed way down.

What did you use for sound proofing material?
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February 06, 2019, 12:36:45 PM
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Option 2 would be a nice option but the problem it can void the warranty of the miner unless if you are fine without warranty.

Why not adding this option "noise reduction box"?



You can make your own customize design but this time you need to make a 2 holes on the front and back of the box for intake air and exhaust air.

I'm not sure it would work on s15 miner but it can reduce the noise of s9 miner around 40%.
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February 06, 2019, 12:28:26 PM
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Just as an FYI its the PSU fans that really make these units noisy, it is a grating high pitch whine
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February 06, 2019, 12:17:34 PM
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Why don't you go with option 1 which is where you have the experience? There are after market solutions for the S9, I'm sure the same (Chinese) sources will put out aftermarket water cooling kits for the S15.

I just would love to water cool it. As I know I would be able to render it silent, I already have enough rads to do that. But I have been unable to locate a source for water block. And the only block I was able to find for an S9 is aluminum. That would be a complete waste of money. I would only use copper blocks. Never put aluminum in a water loop.

I would invest the time and money into designing and producing a water block for the S15 if I knew there would be others interested in buying some blocks to offset the cost. But the useful life of a miner is 2 years at most. Not sure there would be a market there. I'm pretty sure I would have to pay at least 1000$ for a prototype to be made.

I can see computer guys water cooling because it's more of a hobby to them. But miners have profit in mind more than the hobby or cool factor. Not too many miners would justify paying upwards of 4-500$ for a water cooling system.

Did you take into account the maintenance hassle that involves mineral oil?

I only briefly looked into mineral oil. It would be interesting if I could use my water rads/pumps/stuff for it. But I think  oil would be too viscous for water rads and water pumps.

There is another dielectric liquid used for refrigeration, cleaner like water but expensive...

Please tell me more.

Option 3 sounds interesting as well, maybe with some 3d printed adapter?

I have access to an English wheel and a metal shop. So the shroud or adapter wouldn't be too hard to figure out.

The stock fans I believe are rated at around 38 cfm at max speed. But those ratings are usually in open air without restrictions. Once you add some restrictions like the inside of a miner, or a rad, or a dust filter, that rating goes way down. The squirrel fan I have and would use as replacement has a rating of 630 cfm at full speed and much higher pressure too. So it wouldn't be affected by restrictions as much.

I'm thinking the added cooling of such a fan would allow me to OC a bit. But I would be happy if all I can do is run stock clock quietly.

But I am curious as to how much of the fan noise on the stock S15 is from the actual fan, and how much is from the air rushing around in and out of the miner. Pushing air through a bunch of heat sinks inside a miner is going to make some noise. I'm just not sure how much.

Any cheap case/cpu fan would happily report rpms, you can even remove the blades, and you don't need the fourth control wire either.

Exactly my thoughts. It wouldn't be too hard to fake a fan rpm signal. And even easier to just trim off the fan blades and allow the fan purely as rpm reporter.

So this is a good idea if you want to feel like you are a part of the bitcoin network, but just know all the added costs of quieting the miner means your chances of ever even breaking even are pretty poor

In my specific case, water cooling wouldn't be expensive at all as I already have everything, spare the water block. That one would be pricey. And I don't think I could offset the cost with selling a few blocks to other guys. It wouldn't be much of a market from where I stand.

The 3rd option would also be pretty cheap for me  if it works. I already have the fan. I just would need a few hours of labor to make the shroud/adapter.

Also I am in an apartment complex with free power as part of the rent. So if I only have one or two miners, nobody else will notice the small hike in power usage. I share the power meter with an other 24 units.
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February 06, 2019, 12:09:41 PM
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So this is a good idea if you want to feel like you are a part of the bitcoin network, but just know all the added costs of quieting the miner means your chances of ever even breaking even are pretty poor
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February 06, 2019, 11:49:49 AM
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The controller would need to see an rpm signal from somewhere within its specs otherwise it wont hash.

I can fake a PWM signal. Or as already pointed out, I could chop off the blades and let the fan spin purely for RPM signal.
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February 06, 2019, 07:55:10 AM
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Why don't you go with option 1 which is where you have the experience? There are after market solutions for the S9, I'm sure the same (Chinese) sources will put out aftermarket water cooling kits for the S15.

Did you take into account the maintenance hassle that involves mineral oil? There is another dielectric liquid used for refrigeration, cleaner like water but expensive:



Option 3 sounds interesting as well, maybe with some 3d printed adapter?



The controller would need to see an rpm signal from somewhere within its specs otherwise it wont hash.

Any cheap case/cpu fan would happily report rpms, you can even remove the blades, and you don't need the fourth control wire either.
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February 06, 2019, 05:25:27 AM
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The controller would need to see an rpm signal from somewhere within its specs otherwise it wont hash.
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February 06, 2019, 03:12:26 AM
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Hey guys.
New guy on the block here, first post.

I'm thinking of getting back into mining. I did it for a few weeks back in 2009 when Bitcoin first started. Got me 10$ worth when it was about 10 coins per penny.

So anyways, the scene has changed a great deal in 10 years.

I 'm thinking of buying an Antminer S15. But I live in an apartment complex. And the machine would have to be in my bedroom. I'm thinking that 76 dB is just too loud (vacuum cleaner loud). So I came up with a few different ideas on how I could go about making it more quiet.
I just want to bounce those ideas off of you guys just to make sure I'm not completely out of my mind.

1) Water cooling.
I do have a lot of equipment and experience in computer water cooling. But I would have to design and build my own custom water blocks for the S15. And that would be prohibitively expensive.

2) Mineral oil submersion.
I have seen some people online who submerge their entire computer in mineral oil. I have no experience at all in that. And it would be expensive for me to go that way. My rads and pumps are just not built to handle something as thick as oil.

3) Replace the fans for a squirrel inline fan.
The two fans that come with the S15 are 120 mm fans turning at 5-6000rpm for a meager 38cfm of air. I have an 8 inch squirrel fan that pushes 630cfm of air in almost complete silence. So I was thinking of removing the two stock fans and installing the 8 inch fan with some sort of duct on it to plug to the S15.

The whole set up with be in a sound proof box installed in the window for intake and exhaust to the outside.  

I'm thinking that this fan would push a great deal more air than the two 120 mm fans. And so I might even be able to OC the S15 for a but more juice.

Does this sound crazy? You guys think it makes sense?
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