Topic: Quinto BTC Lottery • PM Poker, S.A. • 6% ownership (Updated 3 Jul 2015) (Read 5408 times)

The sites do not look professional, and this is not our forte.  This is one part of the overall redesign of our website and web-interface.

I'd like that. I'll also run it as if we're under NDA. Also, checking out your sites now, .

Yes, we have a complete list of all current shareholder.  We are seeking a total of BTC120.00, and we can send you a break down in private.

Do you have a spreadsheet already that shows the investors currently taking part? And how much are you going for total?

Each share in PM Poker, S.A. Cost ฿0.004, and in return, we’ll credit 25% of investment back into shareholders Players Account on the site as PM Satoshis, our reward system.  This way shareholders can see how our gaming system works, and any winnings in excess of PM Satoshis wagered can be withdrawn.

Anyone willing to acquire more than 10 shares, will receive a 20% bonus in shares.

We require all shareholders to provide us with a Bitcoin address and email for our database records, and shareholders will receive dividend from all our gaming income.

Our system is fully automated, and once a shareholder reaches ฿0.010 in dividends (or greater based on shareholder set threshold), our system will automatically send the dividends directly to shareholder Bitcoin address on record, minus miners fee of ฿0.00015.

We also have a complete detail of handle, income, charity, and promo expense, for each game.  These numbers will be put into a P&L, and sent to shareholders monthly.  (This automation is not fully completed.)

We too need adequate funds while improving our software, but this will be limited as once a foundation is in place the development cost will dramatically decrease. 

For the first year we estimate a 65/35 split with expenses taking the majority of the income, and afterward a reversal where dividends have majority.

PM Poker, your last post is a bit more intriguing than the beginning ones. What I'm reading is that you are essentially offering a site-based 25% cash back for all investments (with a bonus when investing more)? How are investments tracked, and how do you determine whether dividends will be paid and how much? A big concern right now is CasinoBitco.in, who hasn't paid out dividends in a LONG time since they are rolling nearly 100% of their income into expanding.

This is an easy answer, slandering our name by calling us a scam, when promoting another site.  We clearly stated "we would remove unwarranted statements."

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Yet another easy answer, and a question:  How many sites have taken players money and just closed up and run?  Running a site requires ample funding, and we have doing what we can on limited funds.  We are not here to SCAM people as you state, and must likely one of the few sites that is actually incorporated with a gaming license, and do not hide our information behind WHOISGUARD PROTECTED in Panama.

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Seeking investors and trying to seek accredited investors is not being greedy, it sound business.

We have done many improvements, but not all on the front end.  We have always been up front that our website is lacking as we're not web designers, and seeking funding to do a complete redesign of the website and create a working web-interface for Quinto BTC Lottery, and then PM Poker is again another smart business move.

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All we can say to this, is WOW.  nwfella never had 2.50 in QUINTO, and we converted all shareholders from QUINTO to PMPOKER, because there where many signs of the demise of Crypto::Stocks.  Without disclosing  nwfella actual shares, their investment total was roughly BTC0.012, and still maintains their shareholder status.

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When have we ever stated or denied Quinto BTC and PM Poker are the same.  We wanted two different posting names because we were going to have to different companies, but in the end changed our mind.  If you look at our postings you see we use both all the time, and state Quinto BTC Lottery is owned and operated by PM Poker, S.A.

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We notice you put a negative trust on us, and stating you risk BTC1000.00.  You have never been an investor or given our site funds, and posting such a falsehood show your true character.

I have post a thread about this scam here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1116198.new#new

It is a confirmed scam, this OP is the alt of quinto btc lottery, and it scammed many people, and he locked the OP, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quinto-ipo-on-cryptostocks-473710

Proofs:

OP: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/quintobtc-253391  Even thymos gave him neg rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=253391   And this guy complaints he bought this security and became 0.

User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
nwfella 0: -0 / +0     2014-09-14     2.50000000   Reference   This individual run's two asset's on Crypto::Stocks. QUINTO & QBOND. I've only invested in QUINTO thus far (thankfull) and after numerous delay's, etc. share value has literally dropped to near 0. Only just released product and no further updates given. Shutdown self-moderated forum thread as mentioned by theymos as well. Avoid at all costs!

And you can see this thread, Quinto and PM poker they are the same people:    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pm-poker-no-rakes-250-mbtc-signup-bonus-pm-satoshis-investment-1116121

I have post one in: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pm-poker-no-rakes-250-mbtc-signup-bonus-pm-satoshis-investment-1116121  This guy deleted my post very soon, so I find this guy is quinto scam's alt. And he wanna scam people again here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quinto-btc-lottery-pm-poker-sa-6-ownership-updated-3-jul-2015-976321  So he started to make a beautiful blueprint to scam people again..!!!! Like his void promises made on Quinto btc lottery site.

Just don't hesitate to give this greedy bastard again cos he wants scam people again, he just using an alt - PM poker, fuck this scammer. Scammer link:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pm-poker-54122

Scammer info:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7242525

steven Swanson
Age
54
Date of Birth
9/1959
Phone Number
702-804-8773
Additional Phone Numbers
253-939-9542, 253-815-9470
Most Recent Address
5250 S Rainbow Blvd, Unit 1054, Las Vegas, NV 89118-0624
Aliases/Name Variations
Steven Carl Swanson, Steven A Swanson, Steven C Swanson, Steve Carl Swanson, Steve C Swanson, Steve Swanson

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FUCK U LIAR AND GREEDY BASTARD, why did you delete my post when i post "but how can you profit? I still don't see many traffic on your site, where is the profit? I saw your thread about raising funds many months ago, how many did you raise?

Why there are so many sites don't have enough funds but they can still run? And you are always asking for funds but don't get any market share?

I never seen any OP like you, always begging for funds, but you don't do marketing or promotion by yourself, why you are so greedy?"

in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1116121.0?   I am pretty sure you are a SCAM!!

And you didn't improve anything since I post it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11132495    but you ask funds again.

During our research while developing PM Poker, Quinto BTC and 5:55 LOTTO, we have been paying particular attention to the concerns of the customers of those websites, most notably:

   • Provably Fair
   • Sizable Jackpot Prize and Proof of Jackpot
   • Ease of use

However, one question that most are not, but should be asking; “Is the site licensed?”

PMPoker, S.A. is a Costa Rica corporation set up for internet gaming.  PM Poker, Quinto BTC, and 5:55 LOTTO are trademarks of PMPoker, S.A.  

Our lotteries are 100% provably fair by using the Bitcoin blockchain transaction identifier for our drawing.  This assures the customer that we have absolutely no control of the lottery outcome.

A Sizable Jackpot Prize, Proof of jackpot, and Ease of use is why we are here seeking investors.  

(Updated Information)

PLAYER ASSESSMENT

Since our release, it has become obvious there are a limited number of Bitcoin poker players willing to actually deposit funds to play. Also, customers DO NOT desire a software download.

Because of these two factors, we have elected to move forward with Quinto BTC Lottery as web-base software that will be accessible through any browser or mobile device.  This process should take approximately 60 days upon funding (Target Date 15 Sept 2015).

JACKPOT

Quinto BTC Lottery wants to offer the largest guaranteed jackpot in the Bitcoin community of 2,000,000 m฿ ($500,000.00 USD). To accomplish this task, we are working with Lloyds of London Broker's to acquire lottery insurance necessary to ensure players of the ability to pay this guaranteed jackpot.  We strongly believe these changes will explode our customer base, which can then carry-over to our other games.

INVESTMENT

We're seeking to raise ฿120.00 ($30,000 USD) to complete these tasks, ฿30.00 ($7,500 USD) of which will be used for advertising.  For this amount, we are willing to give 6% of the company, or ฿0.004 ($1.00 USD) per share.



It's important to explain our two lotteries:

Quinto BTC Lottery

Quinto BTC Lottery (“Quinto”) is an extraordinary, innovative Bitcoin lottery. Unlike most traditional number-based lotteries, Quinto players select their picks based on a standard deck of cards. Player chooses 5 cards, and wins are determined by both the number of matching cards, as well as their position in the pick itself.

The object of Quinto is to match your picks with the game draw. Prizes are based on how many matching cards, and how many are in the correct position. This allows Quinto to offer 18 ways to win (including Jackpot). There are two distinct payout types: Fixed and Pari-Mutuel.

Fixed payouts have guaranteed payout amounts, whereas Pari-Mutuel payouts vary, based on winning combinations and accumulated funds for a specific winning combination. Each winning combination accumulates funds in separate pool until won. The overall odds of winning a prize in Quinto are approximately 1 in 7.39, and cash prize is 1 in 15.01.

Quinto drawings are held on the 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, and 30th of every month (expect February) at 11:00pm UTC, the entry fee is ฿0.001 (1.00 m฿), and with the potential jackpot reaching over 10 Million m฿.

5:55 LOTTO

Daily 5:55 LOTTO absolutely has the best lottery odds of any lottery game. A player picks five lucky numbers from 1 to 55, or may play randomly generated numbers with Quick Picks. 5:55 LOTTO offers the best odds on winning, with winning picks only requiring one matching number to win. Picks with more winning numbers pay increasingly higher, depending on the combinations. All payouts are Pari-Mutuel.

Pari-Mutuel payouts vary, based on winning combinations and accumulated funds for a specific winning combination. Each winning combination accumulates funds in a separate pool until won. The jackpot is won by matching all five numbers. The overall odds of winning a prize in 5:55 LOTTO is approximately 1 in 2.56.

With drawings held daily at 5:55am UTC, low entry fee of ฿0.00055 (0.55 m฿).

Both lotteries withhold a percentage for expenses, which 25% going to charity fund.  Prize payouts are 90% of Pari-Mutuel pool with 10% carry-over to maintain reasonable future payouts.

All lottery prizes are stored in our Cold Wallet.  This same cold wallet also has the transactions identifier for our drawing.  Our Cold Wallet is 1QBTCbusghrWMBYh8r7co26YCPMYbDDSWd.

PM Poker, S.A., strongly believes in a superior product and exceptional customer service.  The primary concern is to finish the new software; and during the development to finalize the requirements for jackpot insurance.

If you wish to know more, we will post what information we can in the forum, but please understand that some information may require an NDA.  All queries will be answered.

If your interest was serious you would be having a private conversation. But you're not. You are browbeating him in public.

No class.

Since our initial posting over three months ago, we're progressing ahead on our own funds, and our last posting was just for a few Bitcoin to try a promotional campaign.

As for the statement we are trying to prey on people, that is not true at all.  This is one clear reason we ask for accredited investors, because they are qualified to make rational decision, and we do not need to worry about all the SEC regulation regarding non-accredited investors even though we do comply with such rules.

All new businesses and business plans must use projected income based on some facts that are known when first starting out  We clearly explained our games, our potential revenues, and what we want to achieve.  We have answered everyone's questions, and not all on the forum.

We also have better technology then most other sites, as we can handle many more connections, and we are not prone specific database attacks as many are.  A few sites have come under attacks and been down for several days if not longer, and no Bitcoin poker site has been tested for heavy load.

As for investment opportunities, we believe our lottery system is more viable in the Bitcoin market then even poker, and with a greatly reduced risk factor.  Bitcoin poker seem to be a race to the bottom with many sites handing out huge rake-backs, and reducing their rake percentage so low that is not sustainable.

We have not been overly aggressive on seeking investor, as we anticipate a fit will happen soon enough.


My apology for any grammatical errors as I posted this before sending on to proof reader.

OP is the only person with the information potential investors are interested in. The only. Read this again: the only.

Just like you wouldn't hit up a VC/bank and say "I need a loan for x business. Don't ask for financials, figure that shit out yourself," it shouldn't happen here. None of us know his business as well as he does, hence the push to supply information. Nobody can make an informed decision without information. Information is key.

FWIW, this is an area I'm highly interested in. At one point I was going to run my own site, but decided against it as I don't have the technical know-how server-wise and I don't personally know the laws regarding legality and such.

In the gambling arena, poker is the only type of site I'd be interested in a long-term ownership stake in.

I wouldn't own a site for free ... what a sh*ty business. (Congrats to you.) I DO like people spending their money promoting sh*ty sites.

OP isn't, as you claim, tricking anybody to hand anything over. 'Valuaton' is a fancy term for 'Wild-assed Guess' (WAG). Any 'investor' making decisions based on OP's WAG shouldn't have money in the first place ...

I own hundreds of poker sites -- you're absolutely right. I was hoping it may be a legitimate opportunity -- not an overpriced attempt at tricking people with too much money into handing it over for a project that simply hasn't proven itself. Hell, I even took the time to read every. single. post. The information being requested is ignored time after time. But I like how you single me out. It makes me feel special.

You are clearly not interested in this offer, so why are you even posting?

There is essentially zero revenue. But you want to beat him up for 'hard data.' You are not being honest with this board Ranlo. It just smells like you have a competitive interest and don't want a new site promoting. Do us all a favor and STFU.

PM is a highly speculative opportunity. There may be someone with some spare coin, who wants an inside view on the marketing of a btc poker site, and are happy to consider this, knowing fully well that the failure rate for new btc poker sites must be north of 90%.

It is plain that person is not you Ranlo, so move along.

I'm not seeing any information on revenue that substantiates your requested valuation yet. What you're doing is trying to extrapolate the future, which is an unknown variable. You can't possibly know what is going to happen in the future.

If I earn 1 BTC today and 10 BTC tomorrow, I can't claim a valuation of 1.0*10^30 BTC because that's what the data shows I should be earning in 31 days.

It's clear that you've never dealt with an actual investor. If you had, you'd know what data to supply. Until you substantiate where your valuation is coming from (and the future is largely irrelevant unless you already have agreements with other major sites -- and can show proof of these -- that would bring increased traffic/income), no real investor is going to touch this. Which makes it even more asinine that you're looking for "accredited investors." Any accredited investor would refrain from even ASKING for information at this point because you've shown yourself to be inept for the job.

At this point what you're trying to do is prey on people that don't know any better, hoping they will fall into a false sense of security.

Please do yourself a favor if you actually want this to succeed: supply the information that's being asked for. Hard, factual data -- not assumptions and false claims of grandeur.

WHERE WE STAND (Revised)

• Implemented a 2.50% to 30.00% rake-back for all members.
• Adding referral program by Friday June 5, 2015
  • 20.00% back from members rack-back
• Would like to offer a special promotion to our Sweet 16 Step Sit-n-Go, more detail through PM
• Affiliate program should be completed within 30 days from date of investment.

Again we are seeking ฿15.00 from investors for website expansion, as well as marketing and promotion of our games.  Our primary focus will be on creating an affiliate program to help promote our brand across a variety of outlets, and aid in the acquisition of new players.

We can structure this as a loan or ownership stakes in PM Poker.  We are very close to having a break through product, which we know poker players and other casino game players will enjoy.

Please make us an reasonable offer.

During the last 30+ days, we have improved the stability of our software, for all our games.

At this time, we are seeking ฿15.00 from investors for website expansion, as well as marketing and promotion of our games.  Our primary focus will be on creating an affiliate program to help promote our brand across a variety of outlets, and aid in the acquisition of new players.  Timeline for this development is 30 days.

We can structure this as a loan or ownership stakes in PM Poker.

LMAO, if I post in your thread for promoting other sites, I wouldn't give you feedback, your word proved you incompetent again. You even don't know btc poker house in the community. Look at other poker sites or casinos, they run for months even 1-3 years, they do not ask for investment.

Why you don't run for some months or a few years? Get enough players and ask for an investment. It seems that you are very urgent to sell your site without any proofs you can run this site will. And only like bragging.