Topic: Random Number Generator and it's importance in Online Casinos (Read 548 times)

The truth is that I did not have much knowledge of the RNG, if I had read something but I did not have very specific knowledge, then this RNG is not as reliable as we sometimes think, I know that they are systems to make it completely fair, but when we realize account, it may be Responsible for giving us a hard time in the casino for not allowing the withdrawal to be instantaneous, of course this has Nothing to do with a new casino deciding to make its withdrawals Manually, from its manual withdrawal.

Upon reading your post, I think it is totally fine to be skeptic about RNG. But I agree with you that casinos' use of RNG is only to generate completely random numbers and the outcome cannot be predicted. There are third party companies that make sure that the game is not biased and that all players have the same chances of winning.

I doubt that starting casinos can afford to cheat on players by manipulating RNGs  . Implementing and securing an RNG system is an expensive process that requires a significant investment and I think they won't risk it. Most starting casinos just focus on providing fair games to attract players and establish a positive reputation so they will be chosen over competitors. I think while it is possible for any casino, including a starting casino, to manipulate RNGs to cheat on players, the risks and consequences of doing so are significant and it will be unlikely for any legitimate casino operator or casinos hoping to be huge to engage in such practices.

I've noticed that you're doing your job very well.

We now even have Quantum Random Number Generators (QRNG) on mobile phones: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381321/samsung-galaxy-quantum-2-announced-qrng-cryptography-chip

These things are advancing extremely fast.

An established casino does not have any kind of incentive to do this as they know that even if they could get away with it for some time eventually someone will find out, and when that happens then the future of their casino will be over as no one will want to gamble at that casino ever again, so this is a problem that most likely you can only face if you gamble at casinos which are just starting out, as they may try to cheat some of their customers to increase their revenue this way.

This Random Number Generator (or RNG) is more commonly known as the algorithm. This kind of method is created by the owners in order to arrive at a seemingly random chance in every game that involves luck. For example, in slots, RNG is associated with it due to the nature of the game and this method has been used even outside the gambling industry. In this kind of method, it insures that the gambler has a certain percentage of winning which is outside the control of the company.

Though this may be the case, I think casino edge plays an impact on RNG. The algorithm that is being used and created somehow favours the gambling website though in a small and fixed percentage in order to at least keep the website alive as all online casinos (or casinos) are businesses.

Thanks for writing this up.  In the past I had the same thoughts, that there was no way that the casinos or the "house" wasn't controlling the random number generator is some form or fashion.  I got to talking with a buddy about it a few months back, and he is the one who explained to me how online Casinos can be provably fair with certain things, such as the random number generator. 

Of course if they can't prove this as "provably fair" then run for the hills!

It varies hugely from casino to casino, there is no one set rule that they must be using third parties to manage their random number generation - which could even add more danger to the process for the gambling company or customers. These companies should be able to competently assess the random number generation within their games and while they do not control it, they specifically state that x amount of games will be weighted to the advantage of "the house" so you have to wonder how they integrate that selectivity. It's also worth pointing out that these numbers are not necessarily random, which is very difficult to do with computing the relies on all sorts of architectural quirks, but as close an approximation as can be achieved with current hardware & software.

Well, though you are right and I agree with what you said, I believe some casinos, that don't really have a lot of reputation and trust among the community either because they are new or haven't really been used much by regular gamblers, can actually rig such systems only to cheat their players and gain an extra layer on advantage over the gamblers.

But the percentage of such casinos or platforms is not really a lot and most of them actually follow the rules and have systematic algorithms and techniques for choosing a winner or a loser of a particular bet on any game.

I agree with this.

RNG makes the casino more trustworthy. When a casino has a reputable RNG provider for their luck based games, players are more enticed to play because they are somewhat assured that the outcome of the game isn't biased or doom to lose for the casino's profit sake. Of course, no player wants to play on a website that will just rip them off. Hence, having this will help a player decide whether it's worth the shot to try to play on the casino due to their credible and reliable RNG system or choose other possible options that they deem suitable for their preference.

Although there are fake websites that claim that they have an RNG provider when in fact they don't or if ever they truly do, they were also the ones handling the program for their advantage. And I can't really blame players for doubting since there are a lot of scam websites circulating online. Hence, everyone must be wary of the legitimate and reputable, to the copy cats and scam sites.

The Random Number Generators has helped online casinos to maintain their credibility because of its principle of fairness. Initially when I knew nothing about how the outcomes of games come about, I used to think that the outcome are controlled by the casino operator, not until I read in one of those online blogs and discovered that the outcomes is  totally random.
But on the second thought, I can't totally trust that the outcome numbers are not controlled because a lot of rogue casinos exists and friend ones told me a sad encountered he had with one of them. He ended up leaving a bad review for them.

Invention of Random Number Generator was truly revolutionary for gambling industries for sure. It alone probably created gambling on machines/computers with physically interactionable interfaces. I actually like luck based gambling options because they are the funniest ones (Luck based games give us more pleasure with surprises in my opinion). With rng, you feel idea of fairness. (Because noone but algorithm decides who are winners or losers).

Are you saying that all online lotteries where draw results are generated by a certain random algorithm are all sh*t and not true?

These lotteries won't pass being a lottery site if they will failed to prove the fairness of their system.

The RNG system is 100% fair, "technically". But of course, don't expect sites that are not popular and unlicensed lottery sites to have a fair approach to their users. Always stick with those considered reputable ones.

Random number when used by lottery in large instances takes a real world data point randomly generated by elemental results rather then attempts to emulate by a computer.  I think there are serious flaws by computers in this task that undermine gambling.

No they are not pre-configured because if they are, it will be easy for someone to know the outcome. They will only do some tweaking or hacks to know what's inside of this software. RNG doesn't favor anyone but it's only doing its job which is to show a random result/number that will be use by a casino or someone else like if they are running a contest/giveaway.

There are instances that a player can get lucky and predicted the numbers/result generated by the RNG. Not all lottery uses RNG like for example a crypto/blockchain lottery and not only lottery game can let you win big prizes. It does depend on the company too and its games.

Random Number Generating is always favoured the system and not the player because those numbers are already configured by the system and it is just a spin game. Free spin games are always favouring the system and not the player and that is how the RNG also works. The player can only win if the gambler has small luck and not even big luck. And it is only in Lotto one can win big in random number generating by the gambler. So I don't really believe on the RNG system.

Most likely no one verifies each one of the bets they make, however the possibility is there for anyone that wants to try, the most obvious use we have to verifying our bets is that if we have a long streak of losses we may get suspicious about what is going on and think that maybe we could be victims of some sort of foul play, but if you check those losses and everything is fine then you know the casino is not manipulating the results and that you are just being unlucky.

RNG is designed to generate random numbers which means it looks fair for all gamblers, so that every gambler will experience wins and losses which we can categorize that for fairness.
So, systems like RNG are designed not to harm or cheat gamblers but to generate fair random numbers and each gambler will have his fair share of wins and losses.

what do you mean by system? and what do you mean kill their own casino?
are you kidding?
the casinos obviously wouldn't be able to tell anyone about the system they devised to make the casinos profitable.

But not a few gamblers already understand this and they continue to play because they have experience playing gambling for a long time so that they can minimize the number of losses and implement a method or strategy to at least be able to win the game and take advantage.
The gambling industry consists of various gamblers from all over the world, so I'm sure there are many gamblers who are always careful and prioritize playing calmly so they don't get careless when playing.
Actually, gamblers already know that games in casinos have been designed by the system and have been aware of this for a long time, it's just that gamblers continue to gamble because it has become a habit and addiction so that all risks can be accepted and not thought about too much.
No casino would say they use a system because if they did they would be killing their own casino.

Yes, not all gamblers are those who understand technology or all kinds of gambling systems which, if studied, might make gamblers able to be more careful in gambling or able to take into account all possibilities if they want to achieve something in their gambling activities, and I am one of them.
The system is designed to work according to the terms of online gambling, if it is used to harm players then when exploited it will destroy the casino's reputation and players will leave them because currently there are so many online casinos available so players will easily move if they feel something is wrong.

I have read about how RNG works. But I always forget it after some time. But it doesn't really matter that much. Do we check each and every output released by these generators? Can we even check whether the generator isn't broken and its implementation is totally working? I don't think so. We mostly just trust that it is being audited and therefore working properly.

Most if not all crypto casinos are provably fair. It means its fairness can be verified and proven by any single gambler. I have tried and experimented with it in the past. But then I still don't check every result of a dice game whether it is fair or not. I think nobody does it.

And even if no one notices this will still have a massive effect anyway, one of the things that attract gamblers to a particular casino is to read the success stories of other gamblers, not only as they picture themselves having the same success, but also because from those stories they realize that casino is willing to make those big payments to their winners, however in a casino in which the results were manipulated then no one will win big, and as such they will not have those successful stories which can bring a lot of traffic to their website.

A reputable platform will never compromise on its quality of service only to gain an advantage of a few bucks over a player as they see the wider picture and understand how crucial it is to maintain the trust and reputation among the community as a gambling platform's reputation is a very sensitive matter, if a small issue comes up, every user becomes cautious and start doubting the trustworthiness of the platform.

And, if we talk about a casino that is new and isn't so popular or has much of a reputation or trust from the community, they may manipulate bets and stuff to cheat their players. If they do so, a normal gambler wouldn't really notice but someone with a technical background would notice and start questioning the authenticity of the platform right away.

RNG is really important in casinos. It is important in gambling websites and any platform that involves gambling particularly those games which are luck-based because the results should be unbiased and as fair as possible. If there is no RNG, people will doubt the credibility of the outcomes most especially in slot games because it might be rigged and programmed to be in favor of the house which in this case, players will continue to lose due to low odds of winning. The good thing is, casinos do not handle the RNG. They have no access to it so that the game will be fair for both parties. There's a certain company which they get their RNGs on their specific games to draw numbers like you said, which is as random as possible.

But there are also websites, the fake and scam ones who do not have company where they get RNG, and rather make their own program and algorithm to show results in favor of the house to rip off the players. Hence, one must really do his research in order to not fall victim in these kind of sites.

I mean, knowing how the system works, including how their randomness is generated is key if you want to build a strategy to reduce your chance of losing. Unless you're talking about sports or something similar, it is difficult to dismiss how their RNG is generated. Sure, you don't look for profit but if you play on a guaranteed loss I doubt you'll have fun either.

It is not a bad idea to regularly test whether a platform is still serving its users as promised or silently change its algorithm to favor their side more. The recent case of Chipmixer shows that even an arguably popular platform can still hide something from its customers, even if they claim otherwise. It is also a good check and balance, if we can even use that term to describe this. if CMIIW.

Most of the gamblers ideology is to get some fun from the gambling site.They won’t think about their profit or loss in the gambling site.Their are lot of gambling techniques and strategies to earn from gambling sites.But such one should be created on your own,because if you copy some others.It won’t be the your profit or loss,then we don’t know whether it works fully.If you get loss,you will started to blame others for the loss.Instead of blaming others create your own strategy to win or lose from the gambling sites.

yep that's right because not all gamblers care about techniques like RNG all they think about is betting and having fun. but actually if gamblers want to care about all the technicalities in gambling they will definitely bet more carefully because they know all about how the system works in online gambling.

those who don't think too much about RNG surely he's just a gambler who likes to spend money to have fun and hit the spin button on slot games.

And in some cases, there is surely a gambler that knows technically how to determine deeply the fairness of that site.

For sure, if they found something strange, they will question that said site.

Again as I mentioned, these reputable sites won't do some sh*t regarding the fairness of the game. That is something not make sense to do knowing how hard it is to gain people's trust and that it needs several years in making to make it happen.

That somehow is true, very few are looking at the provable fairness of the casino, once it is already established.
If you will ask players here on top casinos, if they are checking the fairness of their bet, high likely that they will say no.
In most cases, if you know you are on a reputable casino, you wouldn't ask anymore about its provable fairness.
But some players will test it from time to time, just to see if the casino is indeed honest about it.
But RNG and other provably-fair systems are just secondary if the casino already earned their credibility.
Normally, you can find such question to a new gambling site, just to test that they are indeed implementing the provable fairness.

Majority of the players don't do that in my opinion, all they look for are some reviews and opinions of the community to trust a casino. Some also see if a casino is old or new or how many players it has. Different ways for different people to measure the honesty and trustworthiness of a casino platform.

An average gambler is never very technical to understand difficult terms and things including RNG and provably-fair systems, etc. They just look at the things that they can understand and start gambling right away.

And you are doing the right thing, the RNG is important but it is not everything, since a casino may have the most perfect RNG but when it comes to the time you want to make a withdrawal they refuse to send you your coins as according to them you violated their TOS even when you know that was not the case, so we must take into account a lot of factors in order to determine the trustworthiness of a casino and not only consider a single factor like the RNG.

I'm not sure if calling it "Random Number Generator" is the right term for this because the result from each bet comes from a crypto number generator, let me explain...

The result from the bet comes from the user seed and the client seed, normally mixed with the nonce, and that sting gets encrypted with sha256, and the last digits from that string (in hex format) get transformed to another format like decimal and there is where the bet result comes from. So, it's a crypto function behind it and not a random function.

Life has full of risk and so as gambling. If I were them I will calculate the risk first before deciding if I am going to bet huge or not. If only they will do this they will think twice if they will proceed with their plan or not. They can also proceed but they will now lower the amount that they are placing and as well as the odds that they are playing.

Like @davis said, gambling is meant to be for fun but if one can't fight this urge then you are right, that they better play sports betting because this wasn't totally based on luck but they can increase their chances of winning as long as they will dedicate time for research and analysis but again it will be better to not do over betting.

I don't measure the casino's overall honesty thru RNG personally because, in the first place, I don't have the technical knowledge to know deeply how provably fair the game is. I always looked at their established reputation as a main factor in choosing the best online casinos.

At some point, I believed a reputable casino won't likely cheat by manipulating the algorithm of RNG or any related stuff.

Aside from the casino's reputation, another factor of mine is to always stick with the famous casino game providers since these providers won't be present at most casinos if their service is sh*tty and not trustworthy.

Well, you're actually wrong. Some systems are designed to be trustworthy by using cryptography that prevents anyone from tampering with the outcome. Bitcoin transactions are also secured using cryptographic algorithms that ensure only the intended recipient can access and use the funds. Similarly, provably fair mechanisms use cryptography to make sure that data cannot be changed.

Of course, the role of RNG in an online casino is probably crucial both for the institution itself and for players who need to be sure of its honest use, but this can only take place in an online casino that uses and, most importantly, has proven its trust, but this requires compliance with the rules of the game and control, otherwise the players will simply leave.

How is possible we can check their codes in the first place? either the casino or the games are closed sources, because if they're revealing all of their codes, the other developer can copy paste the codes and create the copycat version. They only give explanation about the provably fair system's work and how to verify your bet, that's all. AFAIK there's a casino ever reporting a shady gambling provider in the past, so just stick with the old gambling provider.

Indeed. I don't hassle my time with everything to check their corresponding systems as long as I know they are trustworthy. I tend to sign up on the reputed casinos considering their codes are checked by trusted devs as well in the industry.

If we use a well-known casino with a good reputation in the gambling business, we do not need to worry because the casino will not deceive its users.
And so far, I have never checked the system because I trust the casino.
And I also believe that the system is already working properly because if not, the casino will not be able to have many members and the casino can get a bad name among other casinos.
We also have the best casinos on this forum that don't cheat users with these things, making us feel comfortable playing gambling in the casino.

In fact, most famous sites have a lot of reputation to uphold and I'm sure they earn a lot more money working honestly (casinos are highly profitable) than robbing users.
Those who steal from users will not do this eventually, but with increasing frequency and this will certainly draw attention and probably "annoy" someone who sooner or later will start investigating and discover the problem of "probably fair ".

However, in addition to trust, it is necessary to understand a little of how this works, because surely you must have heard that phrase that says: Don't trust, check!

Knowing superficially how an RNG based system works is the basics that every regular bettor should know.
Eventually, it is also very interesting that the user himself checks his bets on his own, in addition to the site's own tools, there are some third-party tools that help you with this.

As far as I know it's the tool that makes most casinos online being provably fair. I think I trust that functions properly and not gonna hassle myself to think it's not when I am playing. I just want to play on casinos that don't want to cheat this system so that it won't be a bother if the provably fair system works.

Personally no. I don't bother to read anything about RNG, Provably works, and anything about fairness.

The reason is, there should be many technical people that will look further at it and that's what I'm waiting for.

Aside from that, reputation is what matters to me. I doubt a reputable site will ruin its reputation to do some cheating.

It is always important to read about the subject, but the main thing is to know that they have legal certifications, it is not enough just to mention it or have the label. So yes, you should know that the RNG exists, but it is important to know how to verify if a casino complies with the correct use of RNG.

That is, a third party must verify that this is true, so there are companies that audit casinos and these auditing companies are authorized to issue these certificates.

"Let’s delve deeper into the details and find out who provides these certificates and how to obtain them.

BMM Testlabs is a long-established independent laboratory that tests and certifies games. One of the most reputable authorities in gaming content, it has been working for more than 30 years...
 
Gaming Labs International (GLI) is another famous iGaming test lab certifying RNG-based games. Globally, GLI certificates are approved across regulated markets, making them desirable for iGaming brands.The process of verifying RNG algorithms depends on many factors but mainly involves the following steps:
General RNG code overview
Diehard Battery of Tests
Outcome Distribution Tests

eCogra (eCommerce Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance) is a London-based agency that inspects online gambling software and systems. The organisation’s primary role is to protect player rights, guarantee fair games, and ensure provider responsibility.Technical experts conduct a detailed analysis to determine if the games offered comply with RNG requirements and function correctly. A positive audit results in a comprehensive report and eCorga certificate."
^{Source:https://www.softswiss.com/knowledge-base/rng-igaming/}

In my case, I have wandered around poker at the beginning of the 21st century, in this game it was important to achieve randomness and, for example, Pokerstars had certification Gaming Labs International.

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This may be additional information, a thread that deals with a similar topic:

If your games aren't provably fair, stop claiming they are.

I don't go in depth on it and just trust the casinos fair treatment to their gamblers. There are ways to validate though but sometimes, I just feel that there's no need to do it.

Those that are very critical and sensitive on it, of course they'd like to validate and check it so that they ensure that it is a total RNG.

Just like the many in here that have said that don't bother checking it, well, we all feel the same thing towards it.

It's a nice feature created by online casinos but I would still never trust how the system works. The belief about the "house will always win" is still what I strongly believe. But that's only for casino games unlike in sports gambling where analysis can help out to increase the chance to win.
The problem with casino games is they have your records. If the system sees you kept on winning rounds with their RNG system it will balance the record and make you lose consecutively until everything is back to the right place.
Have we ever seen a consecutive winner in dice, Plinko, or games like it betting for just the same amount? I had my share of playing dice and I know it's always on the losing side.

Casinos use a more highly-sophisticated random number generator system and I think it paved the way to a lot of games that we enjoy in the casino right now. No matter how sophisticated or how secure these RNG algorithms are, I believe that it should be audited by external auditors to make sure that whatever technology is being used by these casinos, it doesn't have any backdoors or any exploits that the casino can use for their advantage. We're all for fair play and an enjoyable experience, and I don't think it's fair and enjoyable if the casino can tweak some settings then bam! You're on a losing streak.

You could be right and I'm wrong, but I think that whatsoever is being programed to function, could actually be made to cheat. Don't argue cus you haven't had direct contact with the RNG and its mode of operation, or have you???
Those applications, bots or whatever, has been given instructions to work with..they can't give instructions on their own accord which still makes the system unfair (if you wanna look at it that way)... So except it has more measures to operate exponentially, then I'll wait till I can conclude otherwise, I'll say it's the same thing.

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You’re not alone, i also don’t read the details about this since I believe the top site will not use any third party if its not good and this can also a same thing for the game provider.

Though i got curious about this one so I’ll start looking for this on a site that I’m playing and try to understand if they have this random generator just to be more fair to the gamblers even if they still have the advantage over the gamblers, the house will always win no matter what.

I honestly don’t make any effort to read such details since I only trust the rating of the site and I know if there is something suspicious about the site many will share their insights right away and warn the public. Though its also important to understand this since this could be a basis for the fairness of the site but many gamblers are not doing this because of a long details about it and some informations are too technical, this is also why i don’t read this.

There are many gamblers trying to unravel the mystery behind how online slot machines work.  in fact, not infrequently some of them often record the combinations that occur during the round. then, always try to formulate patterns that are believed to be effective when applied to a slot game, and this, too, is believed to help us recognize the nature of the game. in fact, things like this, are still believed by gamblers who like slot games.

However, online slot RNGs turn a supposedly powerful slot pattern into a myth. which in the end, some of us just found out. at its core, the RNG is the brain of the slot machine. While most players know that there is a computer chip that crunches the numbers, most don't fully understand how it works and this can lead to some of the many myths and misconceptions about slot machines. One of the most common myths is that a machine has cycles that let players know when to hit.

Apart from all that, before that I also assumed that online slot machines could be controlled by the casino. related to your question, it works well or not. it is difficult to give an answer, because we do not fully understand it. after all, all casinos are business oriented. which means always looking for profit. as fair as they are, they will still prioritize profits for platforms. therefore, gamble with money you can afford to lose.

The thing with random is, there's no true random in nature. And true randomness does not exist at least in practice. There had been multiple scientific papers that suggests ways to reach true random but none was ever able to successfully write one that relates it to the real world. As for the hacker that was able to seemingly predict what number comes up for all the draws made by the CEO of stake, I think he was able to tap into the mechanism that generates random numbers for google, make a similar model or program for him, with all the patterns and manners as well, and had it run in his computer, which caused him to predict the string of numbers Stake's CEO was pulling through google's RNG or something.

Or I could be wrong.

Was it a youtube Video? If so I would like to check it out, if you still have it around your browser history.
I have always wondered how modern slot machines and video poker machines get their entropy to make their operation truly random each time someone gambles on them.

I have the doubt whether they use integrated electronics to get entropy or use some internet/local connection to get the randomness from a third party. 

That was some serious accusations right there but are there any solid proofs about that gambler that what he was sayin is real and not just a way to bring down Stake? Because you know, he might be a loser and he can't accept this fact but after all, there are still people like you and others who continues their warm support on Stake.

They still believe that Stake is honest and as well as the Google Random Generator because man, that came from a reputable company and this was the reason why Eddie choose this than any other random generator out there. Refreshing the page right after every pick seems a bit hassle but maybe Eddie can consider this sometime, only to prove more that they are honest with their operations.

That is just one provider so far that I know does what I said above and that is Play n Go and that is to some specific slots only and not massively but the slots that they do that are some of the most popular from them and the Green Knight hell yeah it is popular,just check how many streamers that stream their gambling activity play that game,an insane amount of people and that is why I think it is dangerous to play such game as you can get bad luck from a lot of factors,streamers sucking in a lot of money from this game as they play longer or the casino taking profit from the changeable RTP the provider offers.

I would suggest the only outcome to this is to keep playing only slots from providers who have only one RTP per slot and that's it.

While many players may simply trust that the RNG is functioning properly, it's always a good idea to read up on how it works and to make sure that the online casino you're playing at is using a reputable and audited RNG. Many online casinos will provide information about their RNG and audits from third-party testing agencies on their website, so it's worth taking the time to do some research before placing any bets.

I noticed that in your post, you only talked about online slot games. Although it's true that there are companies that provide and monitor these types of casino games to ensure the fairness of the game results, it's important to recognize that this isn't always the case. There have been instances where unscrupulous casino operators have provided illegal, pirated, and frequently altered games, rather than legitimate slot games from respected providers. These modified games allow the owners to manipulate the RNG generators in their favor.

I've studied RNG before, but not gambling. MMOs and the like have a ton of relation with RNG drops, I was an avid player back then so I studied a bit about what RNG was and how it worked. It was a wonder to me back then as a kid as to how it worked since it seemed complicated a f and it wasn't really that easy to understand how it works, besides knowing that it was, well, random.

In the case of casinos, I just trust them really. I know that some providers have lower RTP than others, but I can't really be assed to actually care for the most part. As long as it was random and wasn't manipulated in any way, I'm fine with the RTP they present, it's a well-known fact that the casino always wins anyway.

Rhis is one of the unique importance of choosing an online casino to gamble with because we trust in their delivery capacity when we gambles that there's going to be a hundred percent fareness in what they do, how will it appeas if two gamblers were having thesane tickets numbers to claim their winnings on a particular game they played individually but having the same number as tickets, things could go complicated but RNG has been a solution to this and we trust their system in this except the betting slip is lost by the winner being careless with it.

The only question remains was how can we guarantee that the 3rd party company that checking fairness on the casino is not colluding or if they really doing a close monitor on it 24/7 since there’s a lot of bets in the casino per seconds.

So far, Trust is what we are holding until know to determine the fairness of the casino game result since there’s no way to verify the fairness of the bets that using RNG algorithm.

The result of the casino is based on the random generated number.In the gambling world people called RNG as the lucky number and Golden number.The important factor in Random Number is you should not share the number to anyone.It May be your family member or friends,it doesn’t matter.People with good gambling knowledge will hide everything.They won’t share about the RNG to his wife.Because in my country one pair get divorce case on this one.The wife of that person had stole the RNG after come to know his husband had won the casino.The owner of the casino don’t have update and control on this number.For the fair casino,this system was essential one in all the casino in the online casino.

I've read how RNGs work but not in much detail and haven't thought much about RNGs either. I just believe that the casino will not do anything wrong or even cheat the user because if they do it and someone finds out about it and spreads it to the public, the casino will lose its potential customers.

And if a gambling provider commits fraud while the casino and the gamblers know about it, the casino will not use that provider for themselves because the casino does not want to see their names become bad. But I believe some people will check that it is "provably fair" because they may still have doubts about the casino, which is natural.

Howcome nobody is talking about this ? I have heard this the first time because everywhere else there's just one algorithm and they stick to it.
There's no change in it. Most sites use the provable fair algorithm which is by far the best algorithm to generate random numbers.
We should only stick to sites that use provably fair algorithm and at the same time provides a page where we can validate the outcomes of the same.

In reality, there are many gamblers out there who bet to get big money and profits, things like this naturally happen because everyone will definitely take advantage of all the ways that can provide large amounts of money, such as gambling.
From the observations and experience that I have gained, if you want big profits in gambling, it is better to choose to make sports bets because there we can easily get a win if we can understand and understand all the matches that are taking place.
If games like slots, roulette, dice, and crash can't make you feel fun, then what kind of game do you like to be able to have fun while playing?

You should explain what's the reason why provably fair system isn't trusted and can be manipulated, if you not trust provably fair system then you're don't trust with cryptography especially SHA256 where it's used as the random algorithm.

It's not an appropriate judgement if you say offline casino can be rigged, online casino can be rigged too, you don't have a good explanation to back up your words. I don't care if luck based game is boring and RTP cause you to lose money in the long term, but the problem is about the provably fair system.

Nope, I don't trust "probably fair" gambling games and random number generators.
I just avoid the gambling games, that rely on picking numbers and randomness(dice, slots, roulette, crash), mostly because they are boring.
I play poker or bet on sports.
Many hardcore gamblers have told me that even the roulette games on the offline casinos are rigged so that the ball falls on a certain number.
If an offline casino can manipulate an actual roulette table, imagine what online casinos can do with online gambling games.
And always remember, gambling is played for fun, not to make money. I don't find games like slots, roulette, dice and crash to be interesting enough, so I avoid them. I don't avoid them, because I'll lose money, I avoid them because they don't seem entertaining to me.

I never really looked it up about the number generators, it would have been awkward if the casino had full control about it. It's good that another company provides the random numbers to reduce the manipulation opportunities. RNG is definitely the biggest part in gambling, without it we wouldn't have any chance at all to win a big jackpot. The house edge is what makes the casino money overtime, so the more we gamble the higher our chance of losing money. That is why we the randomness part that can change to outcome in our favour. It's good to check how the casino operates, we shouldn't trust them blindly. 

Did you see the one streaming session with the co-owner of Stake.com ..namely Eddie, where he used the Google random generator to pick winners and then one of the gamblers showed him that he can pick the next number, before it was ran on the random generator?

Yes, it is flawed.... if you know the first number that are drawn, so it is very important to "refresh" the page.. after each random number are drawn. The numbers are still random, but the next numbers can be pre-determined, if you continue without refreshing the page. 

I still trust the RNG, but I also trusted Google random generator... and someone found a way to exploit it. 

Just a few days ago I saw an engineer specialising in casino games, commenting that in Las Vegas and other reputable sites, the system is set up so that the results are randomised every time, using the RNG. He did not rule out that in some sites with little supervision the mechanism is manipulated to favour the house, but in regulated and supervised sites the system is completely random.

We have to think that even if it is random, the house is going to make money from the HE, it doesn't need to cheat anything. The casinos that may be tempted to cheat are those that do not manage to attract traffic to the site and a good volume of bets, because if these two things are achieved, with a good management of bankroll and maximum bet to avoid going bankrupt if a whale wins in the short term, profits are assured.

Yes, I have read about random number generation, the different approaches to get them and their applications within not only gambling but also on keeping Bitcoin wallets as safe as possible.
I personally think that most important part of a good RNG is the source of entropy, there are webpages that rely on atmospheric "noise" to get entropy, others use physical phenomena which are almost impossible to predict in a quantum scale.

There was a time I thought casinos may actually always used a pseudo-random number generator with a seed from their serves, but then I realized that would not be suitable to keep their transparency in the long term among gamblers.

It is an interesting topic and any person into gambling with a basic understanding of numbers should read about it. 

The random numbers are there for the protection of the casino, if a casino tried to somehow cheat and their random number generator did not gave random numbers but instead they could manipulate the results, hackers will soon enough discover the pattern in which this happened and they will take advantage of it, it is why when you see a gambler somehow beating the casino they do so by finding a way to reduce the randomness of the games, so while such a thing would be possible it could play against the casino as well.

Yes, it is very important that all punters who play with any regularity understand at least the basic concept of what determines the randomness of games in a provably fair system.

Basically there are two keys:

• Server seed: This seed is unique and randomly determined by the server.
• Customer seed: This seed is chosen by the customer (you) and can be modified at any time by accessing your settings on the site (at least this is how it should be on all betting sites).

It is also very important that you constantly change your seed, as well as checking your old bets right after switching. Every site "must" provide methods so that it is possible to verify all this information in order to do justice to the "provably fair" method

It depends on the games but for the most part, i'd just trust the casinos that it's working properly because most of the games nowadays are usually tested by a group of people and sometimes you can't verify them on your own though.

That seems convenient for the casinos and it's probably not just them as I remember playing the same slot game in different casinos but there was a user who mentioned a specific casino that was offering a lower RTP.

This is more known in gambling industry as algorithm I think, which is the randomized 'pattern' of the outcomes which are evident with dice games, roulettes, and slots. I doubt that all casinos have no power with RNG,there is a tendency that some has. Actually we wouldn't know not unless you yourself have your own gambling platform. But to think of the tendency, if there is a way to break the 'code' with these patterns, many people should have been rich already because they could take advantage on knowing the result and they could bet for themselves. And casinos cannot allow this kind of breach because they'd be the one to pay right?
This is what I am confused of. If they can adjust the RTP in favor to the house, why would it not be possible for them to manipulate it into some sort of its counterpart? Which could be more likely done by executive members of the casinos.

While the casino has no control over the RNG,some slot providers like Play n Go are giving them 3 changeable RTP the lowest one being 96.27,then about 92 the second one and the last near 84 percent,and that I know or not 100% sure but something along those lines can be configured to be played with.This is some sort of RNG manipulation also as by changing the RTP to the biggest one it means it will give less winning combinations and will get one's money faster than the lowest RTP and I think we have no idea how to verify which RTP the casino is using,sure they may say in the description that we are giving 96.27 the lowest edge but how do I know that they have not configured the game with almost 16 percent to favor the casino?

Based on this I will switch to only games that have only one single RTP and I don't care about the high volatility,almost every good slot has it.

There's the case of they truly have no power or control over it, and then there's "let's make it look random so no one would notice". I've seen one too many shady gambling sites do the latter and fail at it which makes me wonder, what if such a thing does exist? Some feature that would make it look as if everything is controlled by an RNG and not by some parameters set in the coding that would put the favor to the casino? Coz that is a possibility as well yeah?

In any case, the existence of RNGs truly helped the online casino business to boom, and it's only getting better with all this provably fair shenanigans that is pretty much like an RNG as well but with the catch of it generating a random seed that foretells the outcome, and every user can retrace from this client seed to further prove that they are being honest.

Today, I am going to write briefly about the Random Number Generator(RGN) and its importance in online casinos. So basically, what the RNG does is to ensure that when we play our favoruite casino games, it creates random number, thereby ensuring that the result of every game are random and fair. No one would enjoy playing a game where they have no fair chance of winning. So, what is its mode of operation? If you play slots a lot you would have noticed that there are random symbols that appears on the reels. And when it does, it determines whether you have won some cents, a dollar, or more. There are complex algorithm that have generated the random symbols. The same thing applies to other online games too. 

In the past, I used to think or believe that the random numbers generated were controlled by the owners of the online casinos. I was wrong. They have no control over it. Instead, there are companies that monitor it to ensure that the numbers generated are as random as they are. Imagine the manipulation and bias in the game results if online casinos had control over the RNG.

Personally, I feel that the RNG is the most important tool by which gamblers can measure an online casino's fairness, transparency, accountability, and honesty and that it operates in an ethical manner. For me this is the major role of the RNG in the online gambling industry.

As a gambler have you ever read up on how the RNG works in online casino games, or do you simply trust that it's functioning properly?