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Topic: If your games aren't provably fair, stop claiming they are. (Read 753 times)
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
A little research would do but as you said not everyone would catch-up what could be a provably fair if someone like us doesn't have any idea what or where to look for them. All we have to do is follow the reputable one that has a good reputation or if most people would recommend it to you. We really don't have any idea how to verify it so yes, sticking to the proven one is our only choice but could it really be a proven one if the above said that we can't verify it though if we do have the technical skills to verify it?I think most casino users don't pay attention if casino is provably fair at all, because they don't even know what that means. Few people are able to verify whether a casino is provably fair, or whether it only claims it for marketing purposes. That's why there are communities like this on Bitcointalk. I think that part of review services also checks it honestly, so you can also confirm it there.
This is an interesting take on the subject. Personally, my first priority would always be to look for an online casino that is genuine and legit. After such, I would use this forum to check for feedback and if they also have an active customer support system in case of issues on payments, etc. But on the matters of provably fairness of slots, these are the stuff that I generally ignore as the reputation of a gambling website speaks for itself.
Personally, if an online gambling website has been around for a couple of years, it speaks of itself if they are using such fair methods (or rigged results) as people would either continue staying or leaving the website in search for another.
I think most casino users don't pay attention if casino is provably fair at all, because they don't even know what that means. Few people are able to verify whether a casino is provably fair, or whether it only claims it for marketing purposes. That's why there are communities like this on Bitcointalk. I think that part of review services also checks it honestly, so you can also confirm it there.
Why not learn it if you do not know what it means? Unless if its not a big problem for you to lose not because your in a bad luck but because a casino cheats on you and you wont know it because you do not know how to verify your bets. Not only few people can verify but almost all of us can verify, it is not really that hard and I suggest learn it on your own.Do not just depend on others review because not all of them are legit as some of them are only being paid. Bitcointalk is not built to review a casino, there might be announcement threads of a casino but you cannot expect that replies are all about verifying the casino's fairness.
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
Well, then they need assistance like someone they knew and on some gambling forums like this or other forum outside here. This has been almost the brand of every crypto casinos and I think it's just suitable considering they really are provably fair. I think we have the same taste when it comes to selection, I also stick on casinos that prove their reputations and that's should somehow the best thing to do for all players out there.From that list that OP brought up not a lot of those casinos are widely known here compared to reputable ones that almost everyone of us plays.If we just be selective at the casinos that we want to play then the problem of provably or provably not fair will be eliminated.Most of the widely known and reputable casinos here all use a valid provably fair algorithm and no complaints whatsoever we hear against them in such term.
Stick with the casinos that have the highest reputation and least complaints and you eliminated the provably fair doubt because these casinos with high reputation and least complaints they surely don't want to risk their name by not implementing valid provably fair algorithms.
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
Well, then they need assistance like someone they knew and on some gambling forums like this or other forum outside here. This has been almost the brand of every crypto casinos and I think it's just suitable considering they really are provably fair. I think we have the same taste when it comes to selection, I also stick on casinos that prove their reputations and that's should somehow the best thing to do for all players out there.Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
Well, then they need assistance like someone they knew and on some gambling forums like this or other forum outside here. This has been almost the brand of every crypto casinos and I think it's just suitable considering they really are provably fair. I think we have the same taste when it comes to selection, I also stick on casinos that prove their reputations and that's should somehow the best thing to do for all players out there. 
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
A little research would do but as you said not everyone would catch-up what could be a provably fair if someone like us doesn't have any idea what or where to look for them. All we have to do is follow the reputable one that has a good reputation or if most people would recommend it to you. We really don't have any idea how to verify it so yes, sticking to the proven one is our only choice but could it really be a proven one if the above said that we can't verify it though if we do have the technical skills to verify it?I think most casino users don't pay attention if casino is provably fair at all, because they don't even know what that means. Few people are able to verify whether a casino is provably fair, or whether it only claims it for marketing purposes. That's why there are communities like this on Bitcointalk. I think that part of review services also checks it honestly, so you can also confirm it there.
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
A little research would do but as you said not everyone would catch-up what could be a provably fair if someone like us doesn't have any idea what or where to look for them. All we have to do is follow the reputable one that has a good reputation or if most people would recommend it to you. We really don't have any idea how to verify it so yes, sticking to the proven one is our only choice but could it really be a proven one if the above said that we can't verify it though if we do have the technical skills to verify it?
Only problem here is that not all players have the technical skills or are technical enough to know which casinos are genuine with their claims and which aren't. I see the provably fair as a motto on almost all crypto casinos. Since I don't know how to verify those claims, I just end up sticking with casinos that has been proven to be provably fair and sticked with them.
want to know a game is fair or not ? i tell you in the short message:
The result of each games can generated on the server, This means that the result can be generate according to different conditions.
And each casino has its own conditions.
The player can not see those conditions. if a result is fair, why should generate in the server (backend) ?
This is exactly what simple users will never see.
Only a fair game is to generate the result through the front end. Unfortunately, there is no site like this. If so, they will fail in a short time.
So this is my opinion :
if you want to know if a game is fair, I have to say that none of them are fair. other than multiplayer games and a game that does not need to generate results on the server side !
gg
Fair or not, it depends on how you feel that. When you just try to enjoy the game without overthinking it, you will think that the casino is fair, although you lose your money because you will realize that it is your mistake to use the money to play gambling. If you think that none of them are fair, you do not have to play gambling and never try to play gambling games. You should know the consequences of playing gambling. Otherwise, you will not feel satisfied with what you get from gambling games. The result of each games can generated on the server, This means that the result can be generate according to different conditions.
And each casino has its own conditions.
The player can not see those conditions. if a result is fair, why should generate in the server (backend) ?
This is exactly what simple users will never see.
Only a fair game is to generate the result through the front end. Unfortunately, there is no site like this. If so, they will fail in a short time.
So this is my opinion :
if you want to know if a game is fair, I have to say that none of them are fair. other than multiplayer games and a game that does not need to generate results on the server side !
gg
want to know a game is fair or not ? i tell you in the short message:
The result of each games can generated on the server, This means that the result can be generate according to different conditions.
And each casino has its own conditions.
The player can not see those conditions. if a result is fair, why should generate in the server (backend) ?
This is exactly what simple users will never see.
Only a fair game is to generate the result through the front end. Unfortunately, there is no site like this. If so, they will fail in a short time.
So this is my opinion :
if you want to know if a game is fair, I have to say that none of them are fair. other than multiplayer games and a game that does not need to generate results on the server side !
gg
The result of each games can generated on the server, This means that the result can be generate according to different conditions.
And each casino has its own conditions.
The player can not see those conditions. if a result is fair, why should generate in the server (backend) ?
This is exactly what simple users will never see.
Only a fair game is to generate the result through the front end. Unfortunately, there is no site like this. If so, they will fail in a short time.
So this is my opinion :
if you want to know if a game is fair, I have to say that none of them are fair. other than multiplayer games and a game that does not need to generate results on the server side !
gg
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-Dave
Extra easy money. -Dave
In the case of physical casinos, this bad practice is common but it depends on the casino in which you get into, there are casinos that do not manipulate slots.
In Casinos online having the ability to always the games have in a higher occupational percentage than offline, because a casino traditional is open 24/7/365 but many machines or games are not 100% occupied, then with only obtaining a percentage of 0.01% (eg) with cheat factor translates into better profits.
So some casinos online it worries very little them shit their reputation and they are able to say that they have PF but such a thing is not true and as the vast majority of players do not check the seeds they take advantage of it.
or neither on offline ones. Bad practices would really be there but people would simply stick on whats popular.
Just like on what others been mentioning on which whenever there are lots who had been playing then it do significantly means that they are doing fair and square which it isnt a solid
thing for you to depend on but thats how people would normally react.
We do have our own common sense and will on making out decisions in this regard.
^ How to manipulate the p0hysical slot casino? Which is I think is to manipulate the machine, if there is, it is probably obviously easy to spot that they are manipulating it. I believe in online slot casinos, some of the casinos that I have used before don't have an option to verify your bet which is look suspicious to me and leave the casino. Probably if all gamblers will be able to know how to verify your seed in an online casino, there is no abuse from the casino which is some of them claiming of provably fair which is not.
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-Dave
Extra easy money. -Dave
In the case of physical casinos, this bad practice is common but it depends on the casino in which you get into, there are casinos that do not manipulate slots.
In Casinos online having the ability to always the games have in a higher occupational percentage than offline, because a casino traditional is open 24/7/365 but many machines or games are not 100% occupied, then with only obtaining a percentage of 0.01% (eg) with cheat factor translates into better profits.
So some casinos online it worries very little them shit their reputation and they are able to say that they have PF but such a thing is not true and as the vast majority of players do not check the seeds they take advantage of it.
Edit:
context, online-24/7/365.
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Here is a good article which explains how the provably fair algorithm works: https://www.provably.com/This part of the case has happened many times and the casinos always have nothing to deviate from because they are unfair but that's only part of it, and what I played on the casino site was totally fair I just believed it.
This case is usually at casinos that are not known by taking advantage of the ignorance of gamblers and then the casino becomes a scam. I think this has happened a lot.
But still, many casino enthusiasts including myself never give up on casino games.
They could scam out people but nothing do last forever on which they would really be get busted sooner or later and if some sites do run off with those shady acts or being not fair then sooner or later players would find and bust it and when that happens then say goodbye into your business because This case is usually at casinos that are not known by taking advantage of the ignorance of gamblers and then the casino becomes a scam. I think this has happened a lot.
But still, many casino enthusiasts including myself never give up on casino games.
it will surely put big effect in overall business reputation and when it do breaks then theres nothing you can do but to deal into the
community feedbacks and criticisms which would really be that normal.
We must be able to suspect a casino that is in trouble even if it is the first problem.
lots would really be complaining about on being not fair which is normal reaction for people to have experienced.Therefore they should
really be serious on retaining good reputation if they do like to run for long term.
To be honest, until now I still don't know what and how to calculate and analyze what a fair mechanism looks like because I've never really explored it and just played and played without taking anything into account.
although what I did was wrong but actually most of the gamblers sometimes do that and this is what makes something important like this forgotten.
with this, it is a reminder that everything must also be seen from several sides, including whether or not the gambling mechanism that I am involved in is fair or not.
although what I did was wrong but actually most of the gamblers sometimes do that and this is what makes something important like this forgotten.
with this, it is a reminder that everything must also be seen from several sides, including whether or not the gambling mechanism that I am involved in is fair or not.
This part of the case has happened many times and the casinos always have nothing to deviate from because they are unfair but that's only part of it, and what I played on the casino site was totally fair I just believed it.
This case is usually at casinos that are not known by taking advantage of the ignorance of gamblers and then the casino becomes a scam. I think this has happened a lot.
But still, many casino enthusiasts including myself never give up on casino games.
They could scam out people but nothing do last forever on which they would really be get busted sooner or later and if some sites do run off with those shady acts or being not fair then sooner or later players would find and bust it and when that happens then say goodbye into your business because This case is usually at casinos that are not known by taking advantage of the ignorance of gamblers and then the casino becomes a scam. I think this has happened a lot.
But still, many casino enthusiasts including myself never give up on casino games.
it will surely put big effect in overall business reputation and when it do breaks then theres nothing you can do but to deal into the
community feedbacks and criticisms which would really be that normal.
We must be able to suspect a casino that is in trouble even if it is the first problem.
Extremely useful thread op. Honestly, I have little knowledge regarding provably fair mechanics myself even though I have been playing in crypto gambling sites for the last couple of years. This thread needs to be stickied if you ask me. Also, betabit.casino is a scam site. I won decent amounts through their sign-up bonus and they deducted my entire balance stating that the sign-up bonus was void suddenly.
Many people including me never thought of this aspect of the gambling sites. I wonder how much money these sites make by not truly implementing the provably fair and taking advantage of the ignorance of the gamblers 
it has been there since the very beginnings !
This case is usually at casinos that are not known by taking advantage of the ignorance of gamblers and then the casino becomes a scam. I think this has happened a lot.
But still, many casino enthusiasts including myself never give up on casino games.
it will surely put big effect in overall business reputation and when it do breaks then theres nothing you can do but to deal into the
community feedbacks and criticisms which would really be that normal.
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Here is a good article which explains how the provably fair algorithm works: https://www.provably.com/If you understand the basics, you will probably never need anyone's help.
Verifying bet results isn't complicated and almost all casinos have a pv page which explains how the system works and a step by step guide on how to verify bets. You don't even need to do it manually as there are many third party validators.
However, checking whether the system is flawed or not is a bit tricky. It requires a good sense of logic and to focus on the smallest details.
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