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Eclipse33

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Eclipse™ Experimental Cryptographic Technology

Quote from: LoyceV on August 23, 2024, 12:41:29 AM

Quote from: Eclipse33 on August 22, 2024, 02:33:22 PM

why-not also include a piece of paper with each coin which has a full decode of every private key letter matched with a very clean alphabetic letter.

I'm not a collector myself, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the coin? The point of a collectible is to have one physical coin that is the only way to access the Bitcoins. If there's a piece of paper, the coin can never be resold in a trustless manner.

Hi Loyce,

In this situation, some users struggled to read their private keys due to the font used on the coins. I propose including a decoding sheet with each coin sold.

Here’s the idea:

- Include a sheet of paper with every coin, featuring an alphabetical and numeric list.
- The font used on this sheet matches the font used on the private keys.
- If a coin-holder has difficulty reading the private key, they can use this decoding sheet to help interpret the letters and numbers.

This would minimize the need for users to seek help on forums or share pictures of their private keys for decoding.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Eclipse33 on August 22, 2024, 02:33:22 PM

why-not also include a piece of paper with each coin which has a full decode of every private key letter matched with a very clean alphabetic letter.

I'm not a collector myself, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the coin? The point of a collectible is to have one physical coin that is the only way to access the Bitcoins. If there's a piece of paper, the coin can never be resold in a trustless manner.

Eclipse33

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Eclipse™ Experimental Cryptographic Technology

Just a suggestion,

why-not also include a piece of paper with each coin which has a full decode of every private key letter matched with a very clean alphabetic letter.

This could act as a translation sheet in-case of a problematic scenario.

LoyceV

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Quote from: aoluain on August 22, 2024, 10:48:33 AM

The obvious issues are going to be keeping the 1, i, I, J and a, e, c, o and 6, 8, 9, 3 and 4, 7, T

Base58 doesn't have l ^{(lower case L)}, I ^{(upper case i)}, 0 ^(zero) and O ^{(upper case o)}, so it's not a problem if you can't distinguish all of them.

aoluain

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OCRB or Gothic I guess.

The obvious issues are going to be keeping the 1, i, I, J and a, e, c, o and 6, 8, 9, 3 and 4, 7, T
and H, K clear so they dont end up looking like each other.

I can see the "Long Key" being a problem

LoyceV

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 21, 2024, 03:56:49 PM

Please let us know which font for long keys is the most readable.

I'd avoid any font where the characters touch each other.

raritycheck

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New keys generated

Please let us know which font for long keys is the most readable.

PRINTER: BROTHER HL-L2400DWE Mono Laser Printer

PAPER: Terraslate 5 Mil Waterproof Copy Paper

For key generation: vanitygen is used for key generation.

Scan of the paper with printed keys

LINK: https://rcpublicbucket.s3.amazonaws.com/NewKeysPrint.png

Note: Short keys are generated only to showcase how easy it will be to create readable short keys

krogothmanhattan

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on August 18, 2024, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

I think Mopar has answered your questions already...I do one key generation at a time with my mycelium so not sure that is what you are lookingfor as an answer. Also do not think a hardware wallet bought directly from the manufacturer like Trezor would be compromised. As long as its a legit hardware wallet from the maker you should be fine.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 04:32:35 PM

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on August 18, 2024, 03:04:00 PM

Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on August 18, 2024, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

Mini key is to make sure that key takes less space for LCS series and printed chars are not that close.
Which software do you suggest?

I use the SAMR7 vanity gen, it can generate vanity and/or just regular addresses (simply dont give it a prefix to search for) - I have used it on at least 2500 coins to date.

and a full pk is in the attached image - this is super small. each line of text is no more than 8mm long - use a clear font and a printer capable of high resolution printing, then going smaller should not be an issue.

This was printed almost 2 years ago and sits in water. I pull it out to take pictures now and then. These were taken tonight. Shown next to a poker chip for size. If the image appears blurry it could be because I zoomed in and cropped it for here. I can read it with my naked eye as well.

raritycheck

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on August 18, 2024, 03:04:00 PM

Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on August 18, 2024, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

Mini key is to make sure that key takes less space for LCS series and printed chars are not that close.
Which software do you suggest?

LoyceV

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

I've played around with mini private keys in the past, but never used dared to fund them. The Python script produces many mini-keys per second, but I don't remember where I got it, and don't know how secure it is so there's no point sharing it.

I remember creating billions of those, trying to find a vanity address with mini-private-key back in the days.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 18, 2024, 12:56:31 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on August 18, 2024, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

why mini keys? I have generated full pk's for 1 gram coins both in QR and printed that are readable.

keep the hardware offline 100% of the time, use tried and true software that is known not to be exploited.
If the hardware is never online, it can no be compromised except for if someone gets their hands on it physically.
Use disposable jump drives to install/update software on the airgapped system.
never connect it to a printer that is or will be connected online or on a network.

on a 10 year old laptop I can generate 300 keys in a minute, maybe less, if non vanity. Vanity can take a little longer.

raritycheck

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on August 18, 2024, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

Thank you for the feedback.

But issues are

1. We need to generate 30 char mini key
2. How can we be sure that hardware will be safe and not compromised
3. How slow is the ahrdware for generating 300+ keys?

krogothmanhattan

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Quote from: DaveF on August 18, 2024, 11:21:07 AM

Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

I agree with Loyce and Dave here....Stick with what has worked for others for years. Tried and true software and hardware.

We want you to get back on your feet....people might not be comfortable with new key generation software that has not been tried and tested thru the years.

Wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide though.

DaveF

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Beyond the don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer as LoyceV said, why re-invent the wheel?

There are a bunch of really good options on how to do it in the previous few posts. They are known, they work, and people use them all the time.

Do you really want to find out some time in the future that since there were a lot less people seeing / using / auditing your code that a mistake you made someplace caused a problem.

-Dave

LoyceV

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Quote from: raritycheck on August 17, 2024, 12:13:07 PM

We created a BTCMiniKey generator.
BTCMiniKeyGenerator uses audio + system randomness + time based randomness.
Any feedback?

I read this a while ago and it seems fitting: don't create your own cryptography if you're not a cryptographer.

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Quote from: hybridsole on August 17, 2024, 11:41:50 AM

Quote from: Mofough82 on August 16, 2024, 06:05:43 PM

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

I have been playing around with Ian Coleman's BIP39 generator tool: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/. What really makes this one stand out is that you can click "Show entropy details", and then it allows you to put in dice rolls, coin flips, etc to see it create seed phrases in real-time. It also supports virtually all technical aspects of key generation to get a good sense of the many different options that are available. It's kind of crazy how many types of addresses there are such as BIP44, BIP84 that wallets just choose for you (and creates all kinds of cross-compatibility issues). You can also get things like the XPUB address to support multi-sig and all kinds of fun stuff.

For people who do want to use this, you should use the github version and download the standalone page to use offline: https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39, as well as have a good understanding of the main concepts. Otherwise using a Trezor like krogoth recommends is probably better if you just want a safe and user-friendly option.

Yep I used that Coleman program for my dice roll coin. Love that program!

Added: one other thing I use this for is to double check I wrote the seed properly for example for a newly generated seed on Trezor....with passphrase.

I input that into Coleman's program on air gap PC and double check to confirm the same public Addy's are generated that match what Trezor displays

raritycheck

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For the new coins..
We are still looking around

We created a BTCMiniKey generator.
BTCMiniKeyGenerator uses audio + system randomness + time based randomness.

Any feedback?

hybridsole

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Quote from: Mofough82 on August 16, 2024, 06:05:43 PM

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

I have been playing around with Ian Coleman's BIP39 generator tool: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/. What really makes this one stand out is that you can click "Show entropy details", and then it allows you to put in dice rolls, coin flips, etc to see it create seed phrases in real-time. It also supports virtually all technical aspects of key generation to get a good sense of the many different options that are available. It's kind of crazy how many types of addresses there are such as BIP44, BIP84 that wallets just choose for you (and creates all kinds of cross-compatibility issues). You can also get things like the XPUB address to support multi-sig and all kinds of fun stuff.

For people who do want to use this, you should use the github version and download the standalone page to use offline: https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39, as well as have a good understanding of the main concepts. Otherwise using a Trezor like krogoth recommends is probably better if you just want a safe and user-friendly option.

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Quote from: Mofough82 on August 16, 2024, 06:05:43 PM

Are there any trustworthy alternatives to the Mycelium since they seem tough to find?

As I have said in the past...you can use a Trezor or any good BIP39 hardware wallet. Generate the seed and use a seed. You can also use electrum as well. Make sure you verify it's the correct one and not a corrupted one.
All in an airgap computer.

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