Topic: Ratimov is deleting self-moderated topics. He now goes onto my Ignore list. (Read 1534 times)

Other than that, it seems that Ratimov did not stop purging evidence of his plagiarism after the apparition of LV's topic and he also did not shy away anymore, as he usually did in the past when DT eyes were on him. This time his only reason to stop was a warning that he'll be banned.


Ironic, the warning came from a mod which has no power to ban him, yet since the issue was escalated to theymos the warning was very serious and he understood that now he is not only fooling forum users around, as he did for 5 years in a row and this time he is actually risking to be banned. That being said I am very curious about what other frauds and ways to fool regular users & mods he will find. What's certain is that he is very ingenious at that.

Isn't ignoring the same as excluding?

Yeah, I'm sorry. That wasn't meant for you.

But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

I wondered in the previous comment to this thread if Ratimov was going to come here to explain himself but it doesn't look like it at this point.

Not the behaviour one would expect from someone who is 100 most trusted, 4 most merited etc according to bpip.org.

Now I am sure that he had no intention of fixing things because of his mistake. If he ever said that he wanted to fix things, he only did it for his benefit. At some point, he offered a "truce", apologized to the community and GazetaBitcoin for the offensive words, and withdrew his feedback given to Gazeta. [...]

If you want to sincerely apologize or forgive someone, it must be unconditional.

I saw revenge feedback on BitcoinGirl.Club added later  That's not how things get fixed.

About mods helping him to delete these things, I guess he is tricking mods to do their job. He is deleting everything first and then making it like a spam post that is needed to delete.

Common LoyceV, you really didn't have to create another topic for Ratimov and about you ignoring him, it's not the first time that someone is deleting self-moderated topics  
He was part of my ignore list before but I decided to remove him because I found some of his topics useful.

I find it utterly disrespectful to do this on a forum. It also means I never want to post in any of his self-moderated topics again

Now I am sure that he had no intention of fixing things because of his mistake. If he ever said that he wanted to fix things, he only did it for his benefit. At some point, he offered a "truce", apologized to the community and GazetaBitcoin for the offensive words, and withdrew his feedback given to Gazeta.
We can only guess why he deleted that post https://ninjastic.space/post/63041115
However, immediately after Gazeta wrote that he would not withdraw his feedbacks, there was instant revenge and neg tagging again. If you want to sincerely apologize or forgive someone, it must be unconditional.

I saw revenge feedback on BitcoinGirl.Club added later   That's not how things get fixed.

Hm. This is getting interesting. But if he wants to fix his mistakes, it's okay. However, he didn't really need to delete those topics since moderators already give him a pass and no ban for the thing he did. About mods helping him to delete these things, I guess he is tricking mods to do their job. He is deleting everything first and then making it like a spam post that is needed to delete. So, I am not sure if I can blame the mods about it.

There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

Disagree completely with you. Just because one idiot misuse great feature, it doesn't means that we should get rid of it. I think that forum without self-moderated topics would be much worse place than we have now.

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

The con-job is this: he deletes posts until the topic becomes pure garbage, then he deletes also OP's content and moves the trash in his personal shithole, namely Russian board. And there, his personal garbageman helps him get rid of all plagiarism evidence.

For the record: I didn't blame you for deleting those shitposts

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).

Yes, nobody should suspect any nepotism between Xal0lex and Ratimov, since he deleted "only" 30 topics oit of 78 (almost 40%).

It's quite normal for a Merit source to Merit someone when they use the same local board. I don't expect the posts to be bad, so it's not wrong.

There's a good reason for it, e.g. you don't want to start handing out bans for memes and twitter screenshots, and in many contexts it's quite obvious that the image serves as a quote and/or has a built-in reference via the URL.

Below is the answer by mprep (Global Moderator).

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist.

I noticed many of my old posts were being deleted. I didn't understand, good posts being deleted for no reason.

Now I understand...

Well, I agree with others. There is no reason for a self moderate topic to exist. I think this feature should just be removed. No one, except a moderator, should be able to delete someone else posts.

When there are few users misusing the forum feature, it's not mean the feature isn't good for other users who use it in correct way, @OP is one of example where self moderated is important. This drama isn't only about self moderated topic, it's also involve about deleting post too, because when you replied a deleted post, you post is high likely will be deleted.

Of course he has a good deeds to help users who lack of merit to rank up and it's also correct no one is perfect. But I'm not sure why he's being silent until now, I think he have to respond about this case whether he want to apologize or stand with his own opinions.

From the drama going on the only solution to stop this next time is to remove the self moderated options as I believe it would cause more harm than this, imagine in case like this a user starts deletion of his post in other to cover the simple truth and this really shows unrealistic.

I actually I never knew all this and he has helped me in one way or the other during my struggle time to climb to the next rank when I did applied on his thread, for that I sees him as someone who is always helping upcoming user to scale through the forum. The thing is we are human and filled with mistakes as I can say no one is perfect and sometimes we can be doing the wrong things and think we are making right decisions.

Should we find out what happens to this or that person when we see something like this?
Ultimately, to avoid destruction and repetition with self-moderated topics, it may be simple to cancel them.

By the way: I reported that post you found, with plagiarized images. No surprise, it's unhandled.

mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image

Why would mods just play along with Ratimov instead of banning him for creating this mess is kinda puzzling though.

Are there any similar precedents in the forum? I didn't quite catch what happened with Lauda, and then some of the tone of the conversation sounds like Vod-OgNasty to me, but has this mass deletion of posts ever happened before?

Since the appearance of your topic, I personally have deleted no more than 30 topics. Don't forget that the Russian section has two moderators. So no need to attribute to me what is not there (nepotism, etc).

Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.

so efficient in hiding his plagiarism.

Can it be? Ratimov is mod's no. 1 fan! Does it still look curious mod's attempt to help deleting plagiarism evidence?

I think the explanation is this: he understood that hiding evidence in Archival board is not enough

I think your estimate is way off. Most forum users have zero posts, BPIP shows only 51k active users in the past 3 months, and many of those are only bounty spammers or alt accounts.

But you have a Mod board, in which you could report him to Mods with banning power. It's more than just deleting his own posts, it's moving garbage into your board. And that's a clear violation of the forum rules:
He could easily have avoided all this by moving the topic to Archival, but he choose to throw his garbage topics on the board you moderate. This sets a precedent for using the board you moderate as a trashcan and by reporting his own posts there turns you into his personal trashman.

Ok, I have to say that whatever unpleasant opinion I had about Ratimov I was still way way too kind to him. I thought that after he got caught plagiarising he would surely have learned something, like maybe to include links. Well, he surely learned how to not get caught: (a) plagiarise images; (b) from behind paywalls. Considering that mods probably won't be enforcing plagiarism rules on an image, and/or not going out of their way to look behind paywalls - brilliant strategy

in Russia such words can cause death.

Are you one of the DT supporter of Ratimov?

Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic?

The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space

Picture a crime scene, okay? There is blood everywhere, finger prints etc. And before Police comes to take the existing evidence the janitor comes with a water hose, sprays water everywhere and starts to wash the floor tiles, because who needs all that mess on the floor anyway?

I don't have the authority to ban users.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

Yes, digaran gets paid for generally writing drivel that has little to do with the topic at hand.

I will delete insults from digaran. Even better, I'll delete all his posts here. He's on my ignore list for a reason.

Of course it's correct. All thieves try to hide their traces, right? It would be stupid to steal and to not care about leaving traces leading to you. /s

Why would having one's posts deleted affect anyone other than wasting the time of the person who wrote them?  In any case, that's always the chance you take when you post in a self-moderated thread, right?

So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.

Let's say he wants to fix the mistakes he made in the previous days, but what could be the reason for deleting others' posts from a self-moderated topic? Fortunately, I did not post in his self-moderated threads, so none of my posts were deleted. But he managed to delete his posts from Gazeta's thread and managed to make all my replies merge and delete the original posts.

So basically, he is trying to punish everyone by deleting their posts, but I doubt it's any kind of punishment. I don't think any active forum members will be affected. But it's disrespectful.

You're missing the point (no surprise there). This has nothing to do with campaign managers.

Did you claim that you wrote this shitpost yourself?

What is wrong with those images? Did he claim to make them himself? Images with copyrights have watermarks anyways, and his topic is of an informative nature, and one of them has a data source.

Speculation is this is to hide traces of his past plagiarism, but I can't know his reasons for sure.

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I got notification today that Ratimov deleted one my post. I was surprised because it wasn't spam, off-topic, it was made long time ago and if I'm not mistaken, he even merited it.

Is my English so bad that you don't understand? Or are you trying to troll? What is not clear in what I wrote above? Moderators do NOT delete posts and information from Ratimov's topics. He does it himself. Moderators only delete EMPTY topics that nobody needs. What good will it do if these topics remain in the section as they are? Who needs them? There is nothing there anyway.

I'll add my 3 cents.
It seems that the period of insults has already passed, and it was said that members of the DT should behave with restraint.
The word insult “rat”( кpыca) in Russian is very bad; for such an insult the opponent’s face will be beaten no less than for telling the opponent to go to hell or saying bad things about his mother or relatives.
Maybe in English this is not a very strong insult, but in Russia such words can cause death. And any verbal phrases associated with distorting the opponent’s last name usually lead to fights or murders.
Ratimov is not a nickname, but a real surname. And you, intentionally or unintentionally, continue to insult your opponent.

Now you are eliminating any last evidence.

I understand now but does it has a special effect to him after a long time plagiarism?

I can see he has been active member of the forum for long has helped lots of people in so many ways [...]

does it means he has to face any penalty for plagiarism with his high profile.

They are empty

what pieces of evidence do you want to see there?

It's empty, do you realize that? Or don't you?

I repeat again, the topics are empty, there is nothing there. What pieces of evidence do you see in these topics?

Let me explain. How should I put this for you to understand what you are doing...?

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The reason is the following: out of 3.5M users of the forum, I guess that 10.000 at most know about ninjastic.space, thus Ratimov can hide his plagiarism from more than 3M users (which could also shower him in merits for work which is not his). Besides, there's also a ton of non-registered visitors of the forum, which also have no idea about ninjastic.space, and they would also never know that "so-good-contributor Ratimov" is, in fact, a plagiarist and a Trust abuser,

In Russian, a rat is an insignificant person who steals from his own people.

Cause of death? That's funny. “Rat” in both the French and Russian lexicon just means “to sneak around.”

In my opinion if a post can easily be traced using ninjastick.space then to what value does it worth people keep deleting their post if there are no way to clear their bad records

If someone wants to correct their past by deleting their past (even though their past still exist) [...]

You could simply provide the evidence to your campaign manager, he'd understand and would count your posts by date of posts, not total count.

isn't better not to embarrass someone for their past behaviour?

Maybe they are trying to fix the mistakes if you give them enough time.

Is my English so bad that you don't understand?

What is not clear in what I wrote above? Moderators do NOT delete posts and information from Ratimov's topics. He does it himself.

Moderators only delete EMPTY topics that nobody needs.

What good will it do if these topics remain in the section as they are? Who needs them? There is nothing there anyway.

The word insult “rat”( кpыca) in Russian is very bad

Ha ha, stupid motherfucker [...] son of a Romanian whore who was gang-raped.

in Russia such words can cause death

“Rat” in both the French and Russian lexicon just means “to sneak around.”

I'll add my 3 cents.
It seems that the period of insults has already passed, and it was said that members of the DT should behave with restraint.
The word insult “rat”( кpыca) in Russian is very bad; for such an insult the opponent’s face will be beaten no less than for telling the opponent to go to hell or saying bad things about his mother or relatives.
Maybe in English this is not a very strong insult, but in Russia such words can cause death. And any verbal phrases associated with distorting the opponent’s last name usually lead to fights or murders.

The epic moment when even a mod says that Ratimov is a shitposter. I've been waiting that for years. Finally, the truth prevailed!

You could simply provide the evidence to your campaign manager, he'd understand and would count your posts by date of posts, not total count.

And now mods are also actively contributing to his attempts of deleting any remaining evidence of plagiarism. All good.

Ratimov's garbage topics

I don't have the authority to ban users.

I am frustrated to see the forum moderation became so poor over the years. If one user was [mis]using you all officials then I have no idea how many others are unnoticed so far.

I haven't done anything with any of the above Ratimov's topics at this point. So another moderator is handling them.

One topic shows an error to me "appears to be either missing or off limits to you". Other three: one with 2 merits, one with 24 merits, anther with 30 merits [I hope my count is correct]. Not saying it should be an obvious indicator but those topics must have good contents hence they were merited. Let's leave it to see it from that aspect.

Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?

So what, let them lie around? What kind of moderator would allow such a mess? So naturally, the moderators delete them.

Anticipating a question about the content that was there, so that's not interesting to me. I see what's in those threads now. We don't need such trash topics in the section.

I don't have the authority to ban users.

I would like to think you were fooled on the other hand I don't know if you had any personal reason to favor a local member.

xandry, Xal0lex, would you confirm how many topics you have deleted or do we have a way to check statistics of which moderator deleted which users topics, posts how many times?

Isn't that what bans are for? To stop people from posting garbage?

What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?

Why should moderators be ashamed of doing their job? What do you think a moderator should do if he sees such garbage topics in the root of the section under his control?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fake-eth-giveaway-5421033
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-share-your-best-topics-with-merit-source-5391172
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/seed-5390565
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1000-day-legendary-5388963

The moderators should be ashamed of it.

This raise concern that why he preferred to move an English topic to a non-English board [his local of-course] and expected it to be deleted or already deleted.

One of his first such miserable attack was against airfinex, the user which exposed him for plagiarism. On September 8th, 2021, Ratimov created a topic, hunting airfinex and attacking him as being someone's alt or a bounty cheater. DireWolf and The pharmacist were very vocal against him and scared him enough thus he deleted all his posts inside that thread and hid the thread in Archival board, hoping that nobody can see it anymore and people will forget about it. However, everything is still accessible with ninjastic.space.

That topic was still accessible until 2-3 weeks ago. I tried to open it now again and it seems it was deleted. Perhaps Ratimov remembered that what was inside that topic was incriminating him and he begged some mod to delete the topic. By pure chance I had the topic opened in a tab so I could make some screenshots. DireWolf's and Pharmacist's posts are most relevant.

This is how Ratimov's topic appeared after he deleted his topic text, like a coward (in the image you can see that the topic was in Archival board):



Here are the relevant posts I mentioned above:



^DireWolf spoke very well here, as indeed, Ratimov when he is unable to state something to defend himsef (I mean something true) he usually attacks the accuser. This will be proven a few more times within this topic and it's a disgusting manner and a futile attempt of trying to get the attention of the public off you and direct it to someone else. Ratimov always does these, as I will show below.


^Probably, this statement of The Pharmacist -- a very important member of the forum -- was what determined Ratimov to try to hide his disgusting attacks toward airfinex, attacks which were only meant to distract public's attention from his plagiarism and redirect this attention toward airfinex.



^Last 2 images are words of wisdom from LoyceV. First of all he also notices the way Ratimov leaves retaliatory feedbacks. Ratimov wrote on airfinex's Trust page the following: "Stupid troll &shitposter. An errand dog [...]".. Again, a feedback consisting in insults, with no reference link.. But after LoyceV's post he deleted it. Why? Because he is also intimidated by a very few users, such as The Pharmacist or LoyceV.
Then LoyceV highlights another negative feedback left by Ratimov for revenge, this one being on wool_loow's profile. In fact, he left also a neutral feedback. What happened? Ratimov deleted these feedbacks as well.

And now he also managed to get rid of this incriminating topic, which shows his very low character. So after The Pharmacist informed him that he will distrust Ratimov; after DireWolf dotted the I a few times; after LoyceV exposed him for his miserable character of attacking someone who said something about him, after all these he deleted all his posts from the thread and the thread content too and his the topic in Archival board. Surprise: 2-3 weeks later the topic fully vanished!

This raise concern that why he preferred to move an English topic to a non-English board [his local of-course] and expected it to be deleted or already deleted.

I personally process reports regardless of the date of the post or topic.

Unless he has a shenanigan going on with the mod which accepted to delete the topics incriminating him.

I noticed Ratimov has been deleting content from his own topics, after which he must have reported it and Mods deleted the topics (in that post I linked 58 topics). Speculation is this is to hide traces of his past plagiarism, but I can't know his reasons for sure. The timing is at least peculiar after his DT1-status was questioned again.

1. Why did he delete all his posts (together with OP's content) from the topic where he was hunting airfinex (after airfinex exposed his plagiarism)? Furthermore, why did he do it only after (1) The Pharmacist threatened him that he will distrust him and others will do the same; (2) DireWolf called him out for his miserable attacks toward anyone daring to state the truth about him; (3) LoyceV dotted the I once again, stating that if someone says a truth about Ratimov, then Ratimov gives him a negative feedback?

2. Why did he try to hide this topic in Archival board for years?

3. Why, after hiding this thread in Archival board for years, last week he managed to convince a mod to delete he thread? (For those unaware, I created a topic in Archival board containing all Ratimov's insults just after the mess he did inside AOBT thread. The date of that topic was September 28th. Is it only a coincidence the fact that Ratimov managed to have his tracks deleted just after I created that topic in Archival board? Lol! Or did he anticipate that I'll create this topic and I'll be thorough enough to find also all his hidden evidence incriminating him, thus he started begging mods to delete that thread from Archival board?)

4. Why do you think that he never justified how, in his opinion, the feedbacks he leaves while he is in rage / dementia state respect the correct use of Trust system? Example of such feedbacks (most are negative - attention! - not neutral and without ref link):


So yeah, I wonder what is the connection between such feedbacks and financial deals (the purpose of Marketplace Trust system). Don't you? Especially the rape part.

5. Why did he delete all those feedbacks and / or replaced them (with some which contain less insults but are still insulting) after DT's eyes were on him?

6. Why, based on his "rational" mind, was it needed to give me not just 1 negative feedback, but 2 (!!!), just one after the other, plus a neutral one immediately after, all without ref link and all stating words like "degenerate", "cretin" etc.?

7. Why did he delete all his posts from AOBT thread + the ones from this thread (+ probably hundreds of other similar posts) where he insulted all those people? (Could it be only for looking like a hypocrite nice guy, which always talks politely? -- wink wink).

8. Why did he stop using his miserable introduction ("In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]") after he was exposed for plagiarism? If he was not banned then it meant he did not plagiarize anything, right? So why did he stop using that sentence through which he stole other authors' work and presented it like it was his? Again, wink wink.

9. Why does he always accuse someone of same things that are exposed from his miserable character? Example: BitcoinGirl.Club leaves him a feedback reminding of his plagiarism and immediately after Ratimov leaves a retaliatory feedback to BircoinGirl.Club stating that BitcoinGirl.Club is a plagiarist (LOL!) -- again, without presenting any evidence for this claim. Example 2: inside AOBT thread I remind him of his ol' good plagiarism & copy-pasting era, which brought him zillions of merits for stealing someone else's work and then he immediately calls me "GazetaCopyPasteWhoreBitShitcoin", accusing me of "eternal copy-paste of other people's works". Excepting that such reactions look like the ones of a 3 years old child, the question still stands.

In doing so, he moved some of them to the Russian local board.   For example https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/7k-merit-club-when-is-legendary-5379199

Further evidence: Ratimov also deleted one of the threads where he used his infamous introduction "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]"

The above link is a quote from a post made by nullius, which quoted a post made by Ratimov where he used that expression. Now Ratimov's post is moved to Russian board and the topic is empty: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5296174

As for "hide traces of past plagiarism", I'm not sure if "hide" is correct terms because isn't it fair for people to delete or edit their posts to correct their past mistakes?

I think there's nothing wrong to do that

Frankly, I did not find enough time to read the GazetaBitcoin topic, so my reply is limited to my posts that have been deleted.

So basically he moves his topics to archive, deletes his own posts from the topic, then the replies for those posts by others become irrelevant, and finally he reports the entire topic to the moderator to delete the whole topic.

By this, he was again making the moderators fool. It's not new from him. The moderators should be ashamed of it.

I think there's nothing wrong to do that, but deleting people posts for a sake of own satisfy is childish.

trying to build a reputation here.

In doing so, he moved some of them to the Russian local board.   For example https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/7k-merit-club-when-is-legendary-5379199

[....] after reviewing Many topics, I do not think that the reason for the deletion was to hide plagiarism or any other activities. He may have been a little disturbed by his previous posts.

Frankly, I did not find enough time to read the GazetaBitcoin topic, so my reply is limited to my posts that have been deleted.

So basically he moves his topics to archive, deletes his own posts from the topic, then the replies for those posts by others become irrelevant, and finally he reports the entire topic to the moderator to delete the whole topic.

Old post: We generally do not moderate posts this old for on-topicness, substantiveness, multi-posting, and other "cleanliness" issues.