There also is no damn protocol.
Ask darkwallet what they think about the protocol. It's not the same answer you get from just anyone you ask.
Topic: Raw transaction - forgot to include tx costs - now money in limbo (Read 2070 times)
January 23, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
I agree the official wiki should be kept fully up to date with current bitcoin protocol. That's pretty basic communication.
Well then, why haven't you kept it fully up to date? It is a wiki after all. It is up to people who care about it (such as yourself) to maintain it. If you don't, then it will be out of date.
Why don't you do it then?
Exactly.
When it comes to open source, it does no good to complain and say that "something should be done." If you want something done, then do it.
January 23, 2014, 01:38:15 AM
I agree the official wiki should be kept fully up to date with current bitcoin protocol. That's pretty basic communication.
Well then, why haven't you kept it fully up to date? It is a wiki after all. It is up to people who care about it (such as yourself) to maintain it. If you don't, then it will be out of date.
Why don't you do it then?
January 23, 2014, 01:23:56 AM
I agree the official wiki should be kept fully up to date with current bitcoin protocol. That's pretty basic communication.
Well then, why haven't you kept it fully up to date? It is a wiki after all. It is up to people who care about it (such as yourself) to maintain it. If you don't, then it will be out of date.
January 23, 2014, 01:17:43 AM
I agree the official wiki should be kept fully up to date with current bitcoin protocol. That's pretty basic communication.
January 23, 2014, 01:09:08 AM
It's funny. This performance is still far higher than that of banks, yet the bitching.
Nobody likes uncertainty. The OP was concerned the transaction wouldn't happen and his coins would disappear. Education, education, education.
I would say it is lack of documentation which makes it really hard for ambitious users like me, who want to do all the fancy stuff people talk about at conferences, but who do not have connections. The wiki is not comprehensive at all. for example I did not see the formula for the priority. I would like to get educated on things. But with the documentation as poor as it is, I sometimes feel I'd need to sit on Mike Hearns lap to get the info I need.
Example: For ages everybody is talking about multi-sig, yet the only valuable document is this document of Gavin which is really from the stone ages.
Sry, dont want to bitch around, but I am a bit disapointed about the accesibility of open-source. How many people are really running bitcoin? Maybe a hundred. I thought it was much more.
The only way to learn is lurking here. I'm still learning myself. The problem with documentation is that only the source code truly defines the protocol do there isn't total agreement.
January 22, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
It's funny. This performance is still far higher than that of banks, yet the bitching.
Nobody likes uncertainty. The OP was concerned the transaction wouldn't happen and his coins would disappear. Education, education, education.
I would say it is lack of documentation which makes it really hard for ambitious users like me, who want to do all the fancy stuff people talk about at conferences, but who do not have connections. The wiki is not comprehensive at all. for example I did not see the formula for the priority. I would like to get educated on things. But with the documentation as poor as it is, I sometimes feel I'd need to sit on Mike Hearns lap to get the info I need.
Example: For ages everybody is talking about multi-sig, yet the only valuable document is this document of Gavin which is really from the stone ages.
Sry, dont want to bitch around, but I am a bit disapointed about the accesibility of open-source. How many people are really running bitcoin? Maybe a hundred. I thought it was much more.
In the last 24 hours three pools got 69% of total blocks. Are they leaving to the small pools blocks with zero fee transactions?
January 22, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
It's funny. This performance is still far higher than that of banks, yet the bitching.
Nobody likes uncertainty. The OP was concerned the transaction wouldn't happen and his coins would disappear. Education, education, education.
I would say it is lack of documentation which makes it really hard for ambitious users like me, who want to do all the fancy stuff people talk about at conferences, but who do not have connections. The wiki is not comprehensive at all. for example I did not see the formula for the priority. I would like to get educated on things. But with the documentation as poor as it is, I sometimes feel I'd need to sit on Mike Hearns lap to get the info I need.
Example: For ages everybody is talking about multi-sig, yet the only valuable document is this document of Gavin which is really from the stone ages.
Sry, dont want to bitch around, but I am a bit disapointed about the accesibility of open-source. How many people are really running bitcoin? Maybe a hundred. I thought it was much more.
January 22, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
No, the priority is very very low
This^
Your transaction's priority is
(5000000 * 123)/223 =2757847.53363
[...]
Just wait for some time, it will get confirmed.
A few months ago I sent a 0-fee transaction with a priority of 100M, it took several hours to confirm. This one could take weeks.
January 22, 2014, 02:14:30 PM
The foundation is trying to get some documents out the door that handle this problem. The bitcoin wiki is cool but being as comprehensive as it is, it doesn't draw attention to problems people are likely to have.
January 22, 2014, 01:46:09 PM
It's funny. This performance is still far higher than that of banks, yet the bitching.
Nobody likes uncertainty. The OP was concerned the transaction wouldn't happen and his coins would disappear. Education, education, education.
January 22, 2014, 01:11:48 PM
It's funny. This performance is still far higher than that of banks, yet the bitching.
January 22, 2014, 12:29:59 PM
Its not like 0.05 BTC is not a significant amount. Its right it should be delayed. If miners don't get rewarded "something" for $50 transactions, bitcoin won't work as intended going forward.
January 22, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
By the way, it is this transaction.
b4f02e34a2c5349930f92474e57a83670dec05b497ba08c09f982f511a96ab9c
I do not understand why there is a problem.
In the wiki it says.
A transaction may be safely sent without fees if these conditions are met:
It is smaller than 10,000 bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see the Technical Info section below)
All the criteria are met.
b4f02e34a2c5349930f92474e57a83670dec05b497ba08c09f982f511a96ab9c
I do not understand why there is a problem.
In the wiki it says.
A transaction may be safely sent without fees if these conditions are met:
It is smaller than 10,000 bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see the Technical Info section below)
All the criteria are met.
And as others have said, definitely use the testnet that way if you make a mistake it doesn't really matter. But do give it some time, it shows it in the queue here:
https://blockchain.info/tx/b4f02e34a2c5349930f92474e57a83670dec05b497ba08c09f982f511a96ab9c
:-)
January 22, 2014, 11:28:05 AM
By the way, it is this transaction.
b4f02e34a2c5349930f92474e57a83670dec05b497ba08c09f982f511a96ab9c
I do not understand why there is a problem.
In the wiki it says.
A transaction may be safely sent without fees if these conditions are met:
It is smaller than 10,000 bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see the Technical Info section below)
All the criteria are met.
b4f02e34a2c5349930f92474e57a83670dec05b497ba08c09f982f511a96ab9c
I do not understand why there is a problem.
In the wiki it says.
A transaction may be safely sent without fees if these conditions are met:
It is smaller than 10,000 bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see the Technical Info section below)
All the criteria are met.
No, the priority is very very low
This^
Your transaction's priority is
(5000000 * 123)/223 =2757847.53363
5000000 is 0.05 BTC
123 is total confirmations of input transaction.
223 is your transaction size
As per wiki
Quote
Transactions need to have a priority above 57,600,000 to avoid the enforced limit
Just wait for some time, it will get confirmed.
January 22, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
I believe he was joking about getting them to do a double spend.
And the priority - the last thing on your list - was low, fyi.
Yes indeed. Zero fee transactions don't tend to have large priority
January 22, 2014, 10:03:16 AM
I believe he was joking about getting them to do a double spend.
The comment was satirical, but if you get them to mine it...it'll be mined. So call Ghash.io and offer 45 goats, 3 pounds of sugar, and your first born child to mine the TX...they have a bit of hash power, I understand.
January 22, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
I believe he was joking about getting them to do a double spend.
And the priority - the last thing on your list - was low, fyi.
January 22, 2014, 09:42:43 AM
January 22, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
Just pay off Ghash.io
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