/r/btc loons already twisting Antbleed facts to meet their agenda - page 3.

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Quote from: Sundark on April 27, 2017, 02:41:56 PM

On thing is certain. Bitmain reacted very professionally. They responded promptly and included good, convincing explanations.
There is small problem though, another week and we have more allegations, another discovered bug/backdoor.
I wouldn't want to work for Bitmain's PR team now.

gmax is desperate to find directions to point his fingers as to why segwit did not get activated by christmas like most blockstreamists thought would happen.

he cant really blame nodes due to his own back door of going soft, bypassed node consensus. so he has to double down on blaming the pools which HE made the only voters.. as to why they are not 95% yays..

maybe he should ask them "how should/should a 0.15 version be changed and what features should be added to make it a community wide full network uniting upgrade

the 'volume' of trying to use backdoors as an excuse, when his team used backdoors, is getting 'louder' in its hypocrisy

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/

draw your own conclusions.

On thing is certain. Bitmain reacted very professionally. They responded promptly and included good, convincing explanations.
There is small problem though, another week and we have more allegations, another discovered bug/backdoor.
How many more bugs are hidden withing their hardware? I wouldn't want to work for Bitmain's PR team now.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 02:20:20 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 02:18:15 PM

Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 02:16:02 PM

There is no source. That's the estimate that people believe Bitmain has produced so far. I doubt you could provide a source for any exact number (unless Bitmain publicizes the number of shipped miners, but even that is not enough).

so in short you have just seen the 70% nay sayer /abstainer and just named that your 70% "bitmain" estimate... (facepalm)

You don't have any proof that supports any other views. This is a reasonable estimate considering the current state of the ASIC manufacturing industry. The only one who should facepalm is yourself for your own ignorance.

i guess you missed my subtly in the other post where i said i hope im not too subtle. you may want to re-read it

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Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 02:18:15 PM

Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 02:16:02 PM

There is no source. That's the estimate that people believe Bitmain has produced so far. I doubt you could provide a source for any exact number (unless Bitmain publicizes the number of shipped miners, but even that is not enough).

so in short you have just seen the 70% nay sayer /abstainer and just named that your 70% "bitmain" estimate... (facepalm)

You don't have any proof that supports any other views. This is a reasonable estimate considering the current state of the ASIC manufacturing industry. The only one who should facepalm is yourself for your own ignorance.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 02:16:02 PM

There is no source. That's the estimate that people believe Bitmain has produced so far. I doubt you could provide a source for any exact number (unless Bitmain publicizes the number of shipped miners, but even that is not enough).

so in short you have just seen the 70% nay sayer /abstainer and just named that your 70% "bitmain" estimate... (facepalm)

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Quote from: The One on April 27, 2017, 01:57:51 PM

Is there any evidence JW used it?

Nobody ever claimed that it was used. The claim is that it exists, and that is a fact.

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 02:10:52 PM

i canaan mention a few, but ill leave you to ebang your heads against a wall to show your "estimates" and "assessments" claims. also i am not gonna get baited into the loaded questions of useless hardware such as USB devices. so i will just let you get a bitfuryous about me not spoonfeeding you the data, and instead wait for you to show where you lot got your 70% figures from.

too many people are quoting 70% so i want to see your source

There is no source. That's the estimate that people believe Bitmain has produced so far. I doubt you could provide a source for any exact number (unless Bitmain publicizes the number of shipped miners, but even that is not enough).

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 02:13:35 PM

It's been open source for almost 2 years. I guess that won't stop you from trying to make it sound secretive or malicious, right?

Just because it was open source, that doesn't mean that it's benevolent. Nobody caught on, until now.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on April 27, 2017, 10:32:02 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/

draw your own conclusions.

Sorry Billy Bob, this won't change anyone's opinions about segwit, blockstream, or much else.

Jihad Wu's killswitch got caught. What else could Jihad Wu do but to address it as a "bug" and not a feature to save face and patch it?

Sorry jonald, try thinking before pressing "post" next time.

It's been open source for almost 2 years. I guess that won't stop you from trying to make it sound secretive or malicious, right?

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 01:23:22 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 12:56:42 PM

proof of claim?
and dont quote reddit / twitter

Estimations based on reasonable assessment of the ecosystem. Does that even ring a bell for you? Almost ALL of your posts don't have any sources, yet you keep asking for them in nonsensical situations. Please give me the huge list of current ASIC manufacturers (who sell to individuals in normal quantities). Roll Eyes

i canaan should mention a few, but ill leave you to ebang your heads against a wall to show your "estimates" and "assessments" claims. also i am not gonna get baited into the loaded questions of useless hardware such as USB devices. so i will just let you get a bitfuryous about me not spoonfeeding you the data, and instead wait for you to show where you lot got your 70% figures from.

too many people are quoting 70% so i want to see your source

hopefully i have not been too subtle

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on April 27, 2017, 10:32:02 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/

draw your own conclusions.

Sorry Billy Bob, this won't change anyone's opinions about segwit, blockstream, or much else.

Jihad Wu's killswitch got caught. What else could Jihad Wu do but to address it as a "bug" and not a feature to save face and patch it?

Sorry jonald, try thinking before pressing "post" next time.

Is there any evidence JW used it?

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 01:43:38 PM

Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 09:36:10 AM

As I've previously said it, regardless of who you support or which client you run, if you support Bitmain after ASCIBOOST and Antbleed, you're either delusional, a shill or both.

I would support every single word in that sentence. I am not sure what their agenda is but they have a tendency to want to control and shutdown things, and ASICBOOST would give them global control over BTC mining.

Too much power, too easy to abuse, nah-ah. Tongue

If you need a 'proof-of-hypocrisy' you can imagine one of the following scenarios:
1) Replace Bitmain with Bitfury (a Segwit supporting pool).
2) Replace Bitmain with Blockstream.

Every single BU supporter would be screaming at everyone, even their families about the evil that is Bitfury/Blockstream in this scenario. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 09:36:10 AM

As I've previously said it, regardless of who you support or which client you run, if you support Bitmain after ASCIBOOST and Antbleed, you're either delusional, a shill or both.

I would support every single word in that sentence. I am not sure what their agenda is but they have a tendency to want to control and shutdown things, and ASICBOOST would give them global control over BTC mining.

Too much power, too easy to abuse, nah-ah. Tongue

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I wonder if reddit users /r/btc simply hates segwit/blockstream, blind or use lots of hyperbole. But, i think we can't deny the fact that Bitmain/anyone who can access the backdoor could abuse the miners for their own advantage and i'm sure this backdoor won't be fixed if the community didn't find this backdoor.

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Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 12:56:42 PM

proof of claim?
and dont quote reddit / twitter

Estimations based on reasonable assessment of the ecosystem. Does that even ring a bell for you? Almost ALL of your posts don't have any sources, yet you keep asking for them in nonsensical situations. Please give me the huge list of current ASIC manufacturers (who sell to individuals in normal quantities). Roll Eyes

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Quote from: FiendCoin on April 27, 2017, 12:26:44 PM

bitmain (with 70% of miner production and largest mining pool)

proof of claim?
and dont quote reddit / twitter

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The devil is in the detail.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/

draw your own conclusions.

Sorry Billy Bob, this won't change anyone's opinions about segwit, blockstream, or much else.

From Reddit,"Personally I don't care if bitmain is shady or not. All I care about is the blocksize. " -jonald_fyookball

Most ignorant thing I've seen all day and that's saying a lot.

So, you don't care if bitmain (with 70% of miner production and largest mining pool) is shady BUT you do care if blockstream is shady?

AND you're not a shill right?

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Quote from: European Central Bank on April 27, 2017, 11:22:55 AM

it's freaking pathetic to see what r/btc has become. i started off checking there sometimes and then rapidly found myself rolling my eyes at almost every thread. at this point it's beyond redemption.

same goes for r/bitcoin

best advice just stay away from reddit... its just like fox news

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it's freaking pathetic to see what r/btc has become. i started off checking there sometimes and then rapidly found myself rolling my eyes at almost every thread. at this point it's beyond redemption.

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Blaming everything on Core developers have been a thing for a long time now, so I totally expected this. I do not see Core developers trying to

hide this or quickly patching this with some obscure "secret" proprietary code? In the end nothing anyone says will change the others sides

opinion about any of this. This word war will continue into infinity..... a total waste of time. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 27, 2017, 09:32:24 AM

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/antminer-firmware-update-april-2017/

draw your own conclusions.

Sorry Billy Bob, this won't change anyone's opinions about segwit, blockstream, or much else.

Jihad Wu's killswitch got caught. What else could Jihad Wu do but to address it as a "bug" and not a feature to save face and patch it?

Sorry jonald, try thinking before pressing "post" next time.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 27, 2017, 09:58:03 AM

I think it is obvious that the backdoor is purposely included, although most likely there is no plan to use it. However, this is still a betrayal of the trust of everyone using ~~the antminers~~. a node

FTFY and now you are talking about the bip9 node bypass backdoor Cheesy

PS even gmax and luke both admit that using the 'anyonecanspend' is a backdoor to go soft. and intent to make it easier to do things soft in the future by opening the backdoor wider which they did exactly that with bip9 and UASF and more things to come

now imagine this
what if hearne did what blockstream devs did.. (the only way to possibly get blockstreamists to think outside of the box)

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