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Topic: RE: Gox -- this is what we wanted (Read 1751 times)

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February 20, 2014, 12:14:55 PM
#26
It is true that someone created this great decentralized commodity... and then we created a few simple points of failure in the form of exchanges.  MtGox has been failing since mid 2013.  An exchange you can't get money out of quickly and easily is not really an exchange.

It looks like the market has spoken with today's 50% collapse in GoxCoins, on top of the previous 50% discount.  I don't know how MtGox digs its way out from here.  Offering a discount on trades and maybe some free money to new customers just isn't going to cut it.  Their rather ambiguous 20 February update about having to move due to 'security issues' was a terrible move.  They've made the information vacuum go nuclear.  Were angry customers turning up at their address demanding their money back or something?

Agreed. Those praising the market collapse on MtGox don't understand that the same could happen, with some manipulation, on other exchanges too.
And then bitcoiners will be left with worthless digital tulip bulbs. Exchanges should be properly regulated and periodically audited.

MatTheTroll, Jimbo, BitcoinBobbeh, please stop spamming my thread.  (Wall observer is great for that)


Tzupy: I think that "properly regulated and periodically audited" is a slippery slope that can crush innovation.  Perhaps the most important thing regulators could do is give a free(r) pass for companies that move under X*10^6 (say) dollars per year, and almost no regulation for < 1 million.

What exactly is your thread trying to accomplish? The shared opinion here is that Gox is awful, and should be allowed to slip away for the good of Bitcoin. It's what 99% of us think, and it's what you wrote. Nothing new. It's not even speculative, (look at which forum we're in) just an opinion piece.

I happen to agree with you - but it has been done to death and the brighter personalities on this forum are going to have some fun with you whilst I cheer them on.
legendary
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February 20, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
#25
It is true that someone created this great decentralized commodity... and then we created a few simple points of failure in the form of exchanges.  MtGox has been failing since mid 2013.  An exchange you can't get money out of quickly and easily is not really an exchange.

It looks like the market has spoken with today's 50% collapse in GoxCoins, on top of the previous 50% discount.  I don't know how MtGox digs its way out from here.  Offering a discount on trades and maybe some free money to new customers just isn't going to cut it.  Their rather ambiguous 20 February update about having to move due to 'security issues' was a terrible move.  They've made the information vacuum go nuclear.  Were angry customers turning up at their address demanding their money back or something?

Agreed. Those praising the market collapse on MtGox don't understand that the same could happen, with some manipulation, on other exchanges too.
And then bitcoiners will be left with worthless digital tulip bulbs. Exchanges should be properly regulated and periodically audited.

MatTheTroll, Jimbo, BitcoinBobbeh, please stop spamming my thread.  (Wall observer is great for that)


Tzupy: I think that "properly regulated and periodically audited" is a slippery slope that can crush innovation.  Perhaps the most important thing regulators could do is give a free(r) pass for companies that move under X*10^6 (say) dollars per year, and almost no regulation for < 1 million.
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
February 20, 2014, 12:02:38 PM
#24

LOL

This trollbox never fails to provide hilarious entertainment, and the occasional snippet of insight.

 Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin
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legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
February 20, 2014, 11:51:20 AM
#22
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy

oh wait, it's under 100 €. whoops

You were probably just a little early. No procrastination, I see.  Smiley
legendary
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February 20, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
#21
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy

oh wait, it's under 100 €. whoops

Time traveler, tell us, please, should we buy much Doge?
sr. member
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I want free lunch, i'm gonna go with this guy.
February 20, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
#20
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy

oh wait, it's under 100 €. whoops
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
February 20, 2014, 11:39:44 AM
#19
you grade A retard idiot.

Quit talking to yourself.
sr. member
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February 20, 2014, 11:35:50 AM
#18
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy

Future of course you grade A retard idiot.

YES!

A PROUDHON CONFIRMATION AND A MTC BURN IN THE SAME THREAD
legendary
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February 20, 2014, 11:26:18 AM
#17
Damn straight. I have a lot of sympathy for people who have lost bitcoins from Gox (or who haven't yet, but look like they're about to). But Gox has been failing for a long time and the way they've treated their users, they don't deserve to stay afloat. Bitcoin is about transparency and openness, and Gox has been anything but.
hero member
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February 20, 2014, 11:22:36 AM
#16
I guess you guys have no money invested there

I used to. I left months ago after the dwolla seizure, as did many others.

"but the trade volume...."
"but the price premium...."

There have been countless warning voices. There are pages and pages and pages of documentation of their problems.
People just didn't want to believe. Even today, I'm sure there are lots of people blinded by greed sending fresh money to "buy" cheap coins.

But honestly I'm not trying to be holier then thou. I lost a bunch of money on coinlenders.



+1. Folks have had plenty of time to get out of Mt. Gox. The warning signs have been everywhere. Unfortunately, there will always be some people will either become too greedy, or willing to take the risk, and try to profit off a sinking ship. Even when Pirate was running the Ponzi scheme that become clearer by the day, there were still believers on these forums for weeks even after the whole thing collapsed.

Hopefully everyone will learn to be cautious and demand a higher level of professionalism and accountability from exchanges.
hero member
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February 20, 2014, 11:16:51 AM
#15
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy

Future of course you grade A retard idiot.
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
February 20, 2014, 11:09:42 AM
#14
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 

Past or future?  Cheesy
legendary
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February 20, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
#13
MTGox is currently under 100$

We have a time traveler here. 
sr. member
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I want free lunch, i'm gonna go with this guy.
February 20, 2014, 10:58:20 AM
#12
MTGox is currently under 100$
sr. member
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Firing it up
February 20, 2014, 10:55:15 AM
#11
They bet higher than we thought just like before. The current mtgox users think, they are able to make triple or even more after few days.

Let see if it is true or not.

full member
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February 20, 2014, 10:49:06 AM
#10
I guess you guys have no money invested there

I used to. I left months ago after the dwolla seizure, as did many others.

"but the trade volume...."
"but the price premium...."

There have been countless warning voices. There are pages and pages and pages of documentation of their problems.
People just didn't want to believe. Even today, I'm sure there are lots of people blinded by greed sending fresh money to "buy" cheap coins.

But honestly I'm not trying to be holier then thou. I lost a bunch of money on coinlenders.

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February 20, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
#9
I guess you guys have no money invested there
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February 20, 2014, 10:38:09 AM
#8
Their rather ambiguous 20 February update about having to move due to 'security issues' was a terrible move.  They've made the information vacuum go nuclear.

Maybe that was the point? 
legendary
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February 20, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
#7
It is true that someone created this great decentralized commodity... and then we created a few simple points of failure in the form of exchanges.  MtGox has been failing since mid 2013.  An exchange you can't get money out of quickly and easily is not really an exchange.

It looks like the market has spoken with today's 50% collapse in GoxCoins, on top of the previous 50% discount.  I don't know how MtGox digs its way out from here.  Offering a discount on trades and maybe some free money to new customers just isn't going to cut it.  Their rather ambiguous 20 February update about having to move due to 'security issues' was a terrible move.  They've made the information vacuum go nuclear.  Were angry customers turning up at their address demanding their money back or something?

Agreed. Those praising the market collapse on MtGox don't understand that the same could happen, with some manipulation, on other exchanges too.
And then bitcoiners will be left with worthless digital tulip bulbs. Exchanges should be properly regulated and periodically audited.
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