Topic: Read the rules and don't post plagiarised content. (Read 479 times)

In plagiarism, I view it like this. Imagine it this way, someone copied your life's work and just made it their own, and it's the same replica, no nothing, no reference, not cited, no anything. Direct copy and paste. Wouldn't you get hurt by that? Knowing they just stole your work without any permission? I wouldn't be happy with that because the hours I have put in are just minutes for them, and they didn't even break any sweat. These ethics apply to everything, whether in the forum, scientific articles, journals, news, inventions, etc. It's bad.

I imagine this behavior could be reflected in how you are IRL. If your character and attitude are like that, taking shortcuts, it's probably the same in the forum as well. I like how you showed the beginners what your future could be if everything is proper with that. Once you have taken a shortcut, then it's down the pole you go.

I'll keep it simple. There are a lot of ways to plagiarism in this forum, a few of them could be as a result of these factors which includes;

1. They either don't know the meaning of what the word means
2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.

These are most likely the result but the later is not quite helpful as I'll put it simply in an equation;
Plagiarism posting rule:

Plagiarism = copy and paste - source = Ban
Plagiarism evasion = rephrase + source = OP = Active

Is either you you avoid or keep to the above rules respectively or that which is appropriate will be awarded you in accordance to the rules. Simple.

But what I observed plagiarism is not just a problem some users tend to paraphrase other contents or paraphrase the reply of other users in a topic which is also considered a violation right? But it will not be considered a violation if they add some concept after the paraphrasing and it same goes for plagiarism sometimes without knowing some users have similar contents maybe by accident.

I should disagree with you saying that no newbies would intentionally plagiarized cause they didn't see the rules, that's just not an acceptable reason, better way is to say sorry and just accept the punishment they deserve. Plagiarism is always and will always be not okay in the real world. In school, in work, ideas, business. The rule of plagiarism isn't created here in this forum. They should know that no one can steal the work of others. Are there any platform where plagiarism is all right?

I understand that they are newbies, they are still getting familiarized with the forum. But the topic here is plagiarism, even without seeing the rules, they should've known already that plagiarism isn't welcome anywhere. I would accept the reason that they can't find where the rules are and etc. if we are talking about the rules that are only here in bitcointalk, but it's their responsibility too. Some newbies are responsible, they can do it too.

I've seen a lot of members about this problem they are get banned because of plagiarism of course we have members who can find easily the full text also we have the google search engine to found out the original context. Also, we have the loyce.club to find out if there is thread recorded on this thread to support the accusations.

It's not hard to give the quotation and drop the link where you get the statement also I've seen even senior members who got banned their account because the reason is plagiarism.

Merit system gives more concrete hierarchy to the forum to prevent other members also know is to not following the rules.

This is a great analogy. And yeah. It's not that easy growing in rank, going up. You have to put in efforts. But to do that, you don't have to merely copy-paste something just so you can have a good quality post. Please please please include the source, the link. It doesn't have to be in a formal format like APA style or something. Just simply including the link is good.

BUT you also have to use your own words when posting. Here's what I personally do: I read the whole article or the news first, then my opinion about it is what I include in a post. And then, include the link in the end. I don't think it's hard, right?

As OP said, it's like climbing a greasy pole. As for me, it's not a walk in the park.

Here's the fact, plagiarism can't be done without you copying someone's else works and passing it as yours. It takes you been conscious of that action for that to occur. Them not knowing where the ruled are is no excuse, don't forget the rules aren't hidden instead they're pinned posts on most boards and for the other boards that the rules aren't pinned directly, we have other topics that highlighted the rules been pinned.

It's our obligation, duty to research and get families with the rules of a platform we're interacting with. We not doing that isn't an excuses to go breaking the rules. Basically when they plagiarized, judging from the content of the copied posts, it's quite obvious they (the offenders) were trying to get some reward for that posts. 99.9% of the time that's usually the fact.

There's no platform or system were plagiarism is welcomed, the forum doesn't have to be any different. Users who plagiarized are those looking for means to cheat their way to the top instead it f gradually following the legit means which involves constantly contributing qualitively to the discussion on the forum.

Agree, well one way is you should make us readers realize why you create the post anyway and why do you provide the link. You should not restate what have been written down on the link but you should elaborate or provide a new angle to the link. New idea, contradict, new opinion and etc. for you to own the post. Cause write ups are really easy easy to copy, but ideas and opinions about a certain write up is very hard to create unless you are knowledgeable about it.

Most of the new accounts here are posting bounty submission, they do not care for the forums rules all they want is to submit their report, I've seen some of them with hundreds of post zero merit and with no participation in the discussion if they are ban they are asking questions why they are ban, this forum is not about making money it's more about sharing information about Cryptocurrency.

Others that are doing and are actually considered as plagiarism copy and paste articles outside the forum and then post the link below is very common. Even not owning the post the user only acknowledge the owner by posting the link of the article here in the forum. When  we talk about discussions it would be on your own and then if you wanted to make some confirmations or validity of the post then you will going to use a supporting document for it to validate the data needed to convince the readers. However, it is difficult to implement it here and strictly imposed this kind of rule.

An interesting fact is that Newbies who come to the forum learn very quickly about the merit system. This area becomes clear to them from the first days. And the main goal of the forum is to increase the rank. Important forum rules are only read when one of their accounts is locked out.

Where do multi-letter themes come from newbies? And for what? This is a way to get merit. And here, very often, Newbies begins to use other people's articles, passing them off as their own, deliberately exceeding the value of what was written. But, as a rule, it immediately catches the eye, and we can guess about the consequences. Many leave the forum, offended by the "unfair" rules.

Plagiarism been around for some time, to the point that the rule on the matter was introduced around mid 2016 (see re: The Plagiarist, Ban Appeal and the Forum). That’s a year and a half before the introduction of the Merit System, so Merits are not the sole reason behind plagiarism, although it’s certainly a core driver.

Now beginners may be none the wiser about the rules during the first days/weeks, but forum policy dictates that plagiarism leads to a permanent ban (in the vast majority of the cases). I can’t see that changing into a sort system similar to driving licence points, whereby each penalty deducts from the individual counter, nor the rule being bent to allow for a one-off during the novice period. This does not, however, contradict the fact that rules could be made more explicit from the get-go (i.e. welcome message, warning in post edition header, etc.). 

Really beginners are been banned  because of  ignorant which  caused by lack of information, from my perspective  no newbies  who intentionally  plagiarized because he wants to earn merit, it's based on they are new to community and they have not acclimatised  with the rules and regulations of the forum to know that plagiarism has it implications to the community, because  I find out that some beginners  don't know the area or board they  can fine the rules of the forum, so therefore  in that aspect  their are totally  deformed  about  plagiarism.

See based on my personal  ideology why beginners who knows the basic laws that  guides bitcointalk community and the implications if caught  plagiarized is because them really  needs merit immensely in order  to elevate  to the forum which is supposed to be banned if caught  with  evidence.
I noticed that who ever that want to learn  will learn, because is recently  I noticed  were I can fine the board that discusse the protocols of forums, so some does not plagiarized intentionally.
I suggest let their be some measures  of banned to beginners because majority of them don't have guidance  before  joining  the forum and it will take  them period of time before  mastering  the system.

That would be seems better but it is a common sense to all of us here doing a post that we should not copied other's post. Really there are people that are not following instruction and If I am going to decide then I will let him be but they should regret if they get ban. This is another way for them to learn and we do not want users like them anyway being lazy to post that it is alright for them to copy and paste posts. We can't have this kind of user in the forum but if they can change then maybe this reply of DdmrDdmr may do better to change and lessen the burden of the MOds here in the forum.

That's unquestionable, and I think that we all agree on that, I reported my share of plagiarism cases as well. And as I said ignorance is not a valid excuse for breaking the rules. Not on this forum and not anywhere else.
I just think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to add some warning as others suggested. Costs nothing, and it might help fight plagiarism that's a real issue here.

Regardless whatever forum are strict or not, even whether bitcointalk is so much strict or not in plagiarism, it must not be done. The issue is not at all about the money making opportunity, rather it is unethical behavior whether through plagiarism one can make money or not. Plagiarist are theif, they steal other people's work and take the credit. That's how I observe it.
Take scam as an example, the forum doesn't moderate scam. That doesn't necessarily mean that if I scam someone, there's nothing to do or no one should stand up. Scam is crime and that's how it should be treated regardless of what forum itself is doing.

I would definitely like to see something like that. It is not too intrusive, and I don't see any drawbacks to this. Doesn't even have to be shown for all ranks, but maybe restrict it for newbies/Jr Member. Those who reach latter ranks should already know what's wrong and what's not. And who knows, this little warning might even yield some results and reduce plagiarism.



It is true that majority of those that plagiarize are very well aware of the fact that they are breaking forum rules and know the consequences of such actions, especially those that use spinbots, or are paraphrasing texts as they are trying to avoid detection. As always, ignorance is not a valid excuse, but occasionally some legit member will appear that doesn't know what's the proper way to deal with external texts.

As a matter of fact, I don't know any other forum with such strict rules regarding plagiarism ( and I am active on few of them  for almost 20 years), but I understand why is that needed, as this forum offers a way to earn some decent money by simply posting and that's not usually the case on other forums. With that simple addition suggested by @DdmrDdmr (and others before him) we might save few of those that would be positive contribution to this forum in the future.



It's very simple, most of them simply want to appear smarter and more knowledgeable than they really are, hoping that way they get more merit and rank up faster. Add on that generally lower English level, and you get current situation.

I just don't understand why some users do plagiarism besides due to laziness of constructing their thought.

It is not that hard to construct a sentence, you can state your thought by using simple words that are easy to understand and cite sources properly.

Plagiarizing is really a no no here in this forum, you should never do that, no matter what happens even if you are having trouble sharing your opinion in a form of phrases or sentences. It is better to make your own than copy pasting what other people or article says regarding the topic. It is very important to share your own opinion and state facts.

Yes, you are right. The plagiarism rate has decreased. But instead, plagiarism appeared, which is very difficult to detect. Instead of really expressing their thoughts, the newcomers began to paraphrase previously published texts. The saddest thing is that the beginners themselves do not want to understand what they are doing wrong.
At the moment I'm interested in two accounts, which for some reasons are not prohibited by moderators.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55263911
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55284592
 Any topic they create is simply paraphrased.

Therefore, it is still too early to talk about the success of eliminating plagiarism on the forum. Yes, we should be lenient with newbies, but only when it is not about direct violations.

Many people don't know what is plagiarism and the forum maybe the first place from which they learn the word plagiarism. Its cost to learn here is not good, permanent ban as a person not as a user or member.

In developing nations, plagiarism is not a problem, governments don't care, universities don't care or if they care, tools to detect plagiarism and rules for plagiarism are not clear, not well discussed and composed.

I read some members say the forum is the only one forum that has permanent ban if members do plagiarism. Is this info correct?