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Quote from: lixer on September 13, 2020, 03:10:05 AM

Real Estate has and is and will always be a better investment than anything else not because you can buy cheap and sell higher in few decades and make yourself a lot of money, not because you can buy and fix and sell back, nothing like that, it is better because it is tangible and you can show it off. If you buy bitcoin it is really hard to show it, you have to show your screen but it is not something you can hold in hand, same goes for forex or stocks or whatever because they are imaginary things people put value on.

House and Lot are always been the best investments we can have,because this is the first need of every people to have their own
house and Lot,though i also see the investment
in Road project specially those who has "Toll Fees" because this is a lifetime investments and no losses,imagine you will only collect money every minute after the construction of the said Road?

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However if you buy stuff like gold (physically) or real estate or even a car (which devalues over time so not a good idea) you can actually show it, that is why they are so much more expensive and that is why they are a lot smarter to buy if you can afford it.

Seems like you have no sympathy in Bitcoin lol.

What are you doing inside crypto?bounties?it looks like you have never invest in crypto even a single cents the way you talk here.

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Quote from: shoeshineBro on September 10, 2020, 03:41:45 PM

Deregulation is inconsequential at this point and real estate values have correlation with foreign exchange rates. Supply in RE alludes to the property you want to purchase or sell. As a result, currency is in demand because of EMH in due to supply/demand. RE is simply one of the assets tied to availability of real loanable funds. Availability of real loanable funds. Fx rate. Cost of goods. The reason real estate prices are declining is because there is a decline in availability of real loanable funds. A decline in loanable funds is a result of foreign exchange rate decrease. The market is responding to an inevitable future FX decline.

Don't know what make you think that real estate is declining but I will give you an article which can help you understand the situation on real estate here read this https://www.investopedia.com/articles/mortages-real-estate/11/the-truth-about-the-real-estate-market.asp

And for me real estate still a safe investment where we can safely spend our money on, just make sure you go with license broker before buying a house or property.

I doubt what OP really means i'll put here what I think of it
-Real Estate's value will rise and can be rented.
-Bitcoin's a crypto can be transferred much easily and going offroad from legal boundaries but Real Estate cannot.

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Real Estate has and is and will always be a better investment than anything else not because you can buy cheap and sell higher in few decades and make yourself a lot of money, not because you can buy and fix and sell back, nothing like that, it is better because it is tangible and you can show it off. If you buy bitcoin it is really hard to show it, you have to show your screen but it is not something you can hold in hand, same goes for forex or stocks or whatever because they are imaginary things people put value on.

However if you buy stuff like gold (physically) or real estate or even a car (which devalues over time so not a good idea) you can actually show it, that is why they are so much more expensive and that is why they are a lot smarter to buy if you can afford it.

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In my opinion, if you really want investment for the long term and are safe, you should choose investment in Real Estate over Bitcoin.
But investing in real estate must certainly have a large enough capital, because the price of land and houses is now very expensive.
There are ways we can buy a house or land at a low price, we have to borrow money from the bank. And usually the payment duration
is very long and causes the interest to be paid is also quite large. I prefer investing in Bitcoin, can use a small capital. And if we are patient
in holding Bitcoin, we can make big profits. Although the risk of investing in Bitcoin is huge, it is worth it with big profit too we can get.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on September 12, 2020, 12:57:26 AM

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Real estate represents ownership in something tangible and real. Long term, the price tends to outpace inflation, so it’s a good investment for this reason alone, but it also produces income on top of that. Bitcoin does not, and on top of that, is extremely volatile. I’ll take real estate over bitcoin as an asset class any day.

I don't know for others, but in my town the prices of real estates are rising in the past few months! Some people I talked with
say there's a huge demand for houses around the town, near lakes, mountains. They explain that because of Covid-19 people
couldn't live homes, go abroad, they focused on buying some land out of town where they can run away in any moment.
It's good to take real estate, but it has expenses, it's not like you can just take it and leave it there, you need to pay taxes for that,
there're other monthly and yearly expenses. With Bitcoins, you don't have troubles, you just put it in the wallet and keep them,
with real estates you have a lot of work and expenses.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on September 12, 2020, 12:57:26 AM

Real estate promises big money but the constant taxation in ownership is very bad for someone's finances, with bitcoin, just buy it and you just have to hold it and wait for a favorable price to sell and profit, in real estate, you either have to maintain the property or not build something and let it there to get its prices soar which only happens for a long time, not to mention the status of real estate in your country, the bubble might have popped and you will be selling without breaking even. My suggestion for real estate is that when you have one, live in it.

Real estate represents ownership in something tangible and real. Long term, the price tends to outpace inflation, so it’s a good investment for this reason alone, but it also produces income on top of that. Bitcoin does not, and on top of that, is extremely volatile. I’ll take real estate over bitcoin as an asset class any day.

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Real estate are more stable compare to bitcoin and in my place because of a huge supply in the market and lesser demand, real estate are more cheaper compare to other investment asset. Bitcoin is different because its a currency and much volatile, I don’t want to compare this two great asset because they both have pros and cons.

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Quote from: rexxarofmoknathal on September 12, 2020, 02:23:21 PM

Quote from: jackg on September 10, 2020, 03:45:48 PM

I don't know if real estate is declining here yet but I do think it'll come at some point and it's probably overdue in some places.

I was looking at house prices in certain parts of the UK and they've at least tripled in a lot of places in the past 20 years... Which seems quite a dramatic rise.

You're not wrong. I have come across similar stats where the house prices across the whole of UK have gone up at least 3x since the beginning of the pandemic! This is crazy considering the recession we're in. Still, by the end of the year if the house prices haven't started to come down it will surely follow in Q1 of next year.

Woah woah 3x since the pandemic? that's 200% up in several months! that's crazy thinking that the world is on fire right now, they should have not gone that high. The worst thing to happen with middle class people right now is that they cannot afford housing anymore with these prices going that high, we all need money that's a fact but it is disgusting doing that. Business is business huh?

Quote from: rexxarofmoknathal on September 12, 2020, 02:23:21 PM

The housing market can't be going up while everything else is suffering. My reason for thinking this is that mortgage providers have already started becoming more strict about mortgage approval. I suppose for now just like with the crypto and stock market, real estate is all about waiting for a while.

They can be strict, I can agree on that but 200%? I cannot believe it. They are giving no choice to people.

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Quote from: jackg on September 10, 2020, 03:45:48 PM

I don't know if real estate is declining here yet but I do think it'll come at some point and it's probably overdue in some places.

I was looking at house prices in certain parts of the UK and they've at least tripled in a lot of places in the past 20 years... Which seems quite a dramatic rise.

You're not wrong. I have come across similar stats where the house prices across the whole of UK have gone up at least 3x since the beginning of the pandemic! This is crazy considering the recession we're in. Still, by the end of the year if the house prices haven't started to come down it will surely follow in Q1 of next year.

The housing market can't be going up while everything else is suffering. My reason for thinking this is that mortgage providers have already started becoming more strict about mortgage approval. I suppose for now just like with the crypto and stock market, real estate is all about waiting for a while.

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Quote from: stompix on September 10, 2020, 06:59:32 PM

The market isn't looking alike even in the same country and even in the same state/district.
You can sell right now pretty fast a house in the suburbs at what looks to me as an outrageous price but good luck trying to get rid of a house or land 100-200 km away in a village that is nearly dying even at 1/25 of the price asked in the other place. We have hundreds of these houses that are still up and will be good for living even for another 50 years, not run-down houses like in ghost movies, that you can buy with an annual wage but... forget 50 years, you might be the only one living in the entire village in 5-10 years.

I know what you mean. Lately I've been browsing properties in Italy and there's a lot of really cheap land available there. You can buy a house in Toscane with a great view for 100k EUR, which is proabably the price of a small flat in one of EU capitals. I don't know if the reason for these low prices is covid or people moving to big cities, maybe both, but I'd love to live in the suburbs whete the air is clean and there's no traffic.

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Real state and bitcoin are both valuable and you can invest both of them if you have capital. I think the only difference between this two being an asset, real state is tangible and ageless while bitcoin is digital which you do not know when it will end or lost it's value because we really don't know the future of bitcoin even though we can see now that it works good. But if i will choose only one,i prefer for real state more secure than bitcoin.

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Real estate promises big money but the constant taxation in ownership is very bad for someone's finances, with bitcoin, just buy it and you just have to hold it and wait for a favorable price to sell and profit, in real estate, you either have to maintain the property or not build something and let it there to get its prices soar which only happens for a long time, not to mention the status of real estate in your country, the bubble might have popped and you will be selling without breaking even. My suggestion for real estate is that when you have one, live in it.

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Quote from: shoeshineBro on September 10, 2020, 03:41:45 PM

Deregulation is inconsequential at this point and real estate values have correlation with foreign exchange rates. Supply in RE alludes to the property you want to purchase or sell. As a result, currency is in demand because of EMH in due to supply/demand. RE is simply one of the assets tied to availability of real loanable funds. Availability of real loanable funds. Fx rate. Cost of goods. The reason real estate prices are declining is because there is a decline in availability of real loanable funds. A decline in loanable funds is a result of foreign exchange rate decrease. The market is responding to an inevitable future FX decline.

a pretty good and logical analysis, but it depends on the country as well. In developing countries, land is a very rare asset, especially in central places. even though the value of money is drastically reduced, or inflation, land stays the same or even goes up. The price of land depends not only on the real funds that can be lent, it also depends on the mentality of the owners of the plots. What you say is only relevant for countries with lots of banks that own a lot of land.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on September 11, 2020, 03:54:22 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2020, 10:27:24 PM

I am not aware of the circumstances from where you're speaking but as far as my local situation is concerned, real estate is still one of the most trusted and certainly profitable investments. The increase in the prices of real estate properties is consistently rising, that is, despite the foreign exchange fluctuations. So I don't think there is a significant correlation at all between the two.

I see that the only similar thing that we can found on both real estate and bitcoin is securing the value or store of value where as you are keeping a tangible asset and on bitcoin you are keeping it on the run of volatile prices. But If I would choose between these two, I'd confidently say real estate coz it is ageless and as we know we don't really know how long will bitcoin be in the market for years, just believe right?

One thing is for sure, Bitcoin is not forever. On this note, we could probably say that a piece of land, for example, is much more precious that Bitcoin especially in the longer term. There might come a time when Bitcoin is already widely adopted that its value will somehow stabilize, or probably a time when something much better will take over.

As to real estate properties, we are certainly running out of it, with the human population increasing close to 100 million individuals annually, with the demand of the seemingly insatiable human consumption regularly increasing exponentially, and so on.

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Quote from: exstasie on September 11, 2020, 03:05:13 PM

Quote from: Hydrogen on September 10, 2020, 06:45:34 PM

Real estate could be deflationary in nature similar to bitcoin. Real estate development and construction have not maintained pace with population growth, making real estate scarce(r) in supply. The main bottleneck preventing real estate from appreciating in value is wealth and wage inequality limiting the number of people who can afford to buy it. That malus to consumer purchasing power and demand could devalue real estate below its actual market value.

You've got it backwards. The actual market value is based on real supply and demand. Houses are only worth what people are able and willing to pay. Similar to Chinese ghost cities, just because you build them doesn't make them valuable or in demand. If a house cost you more to build than what it can sell for on the market, you've just made a poor investment. That's all.

There could be correlation and causation between unaffordable assets and deflationary paradigms.

I'll give you an example. Healthcare could be considered deflationary in ways which leads to it being unaffordable. The doctor to patient ratio in the USA is something like 1 doctor for every 1,000+ patients. Wheras other nations are luckier to have doctor to patient ratios nearer to 1:300. In past years america's doctor to patient ratio was lower. In a sense we have a situation where there are fewer doctors in terms of overall patients similar to bitcoin rewards halving.

Real estate is identically inflationary in ways. Imagine what would happen if the human population doubled while the amount of homes, apartments and living space remained the same. Real estate would become a scarce and somewhat deflationary asset similar to doctors in the US becoming scarcer in a somewhat deflationary format.

I hope that clarifies things. Not certain where you disagreed with me, here. It seems as if we're both saying the same thing.

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Quote from: shoeshineBro on September 10, 2020, 03:41:45 PM

Deregulation is inconsequential at this point and real estate values have correlation with foreign exchange rates.

You are wrong, I'd never seen how it becomes correlated. Try to check it because instead of thinking that it declining, you'll find out that the prices are rising. Because if we are talking about real estate investment, definitely we can have the assurance that in the years coming it rises unlike what bitcoin can do. Just it happens that many had jumped into Bitcoin investment it is because they are thinking more gains and easy money, and it is not possible.

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Quote from: shoeshineBro on September 10, 2020, 03:41:45 PM

Deregulation is inconsequential at this point and real estate values have correlation with foreign exchange rates. Supply in RE alludes to the property you want to purchase or sell. As a result, currency is in demand because of EMH in due to supply/demand. RE is simply one of the assets tied to availability of real loanable funds. Availability of real loanable funds. Fx rate. Cost of goods. The reason real estate prices are declining is because there is a decline in availability of real loanable funds. A decline in loanable funds is a result of foreign exchange rate decrease. The market is responding to an inevitable future FX decline.

Real Estate is still a good investment despite Covid. It can be a source of income too if we will use it as apartment, the price never goes down but increases in time, those who will sell their property must be in need but for sure will still be in profit as the value of real estate didn't decline even the stock market is affected. The only that affects now is the construction of those soon to rise building since some might stop operating of postponed the construction.
It will be better if we were not just put in our investment Al in bitcoin better expand and venture in other investment too.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2020, 10:27:24 PM

I am not aware of the circumstances from where you're speaking but as far as my local situation is concerned, real estate is still one of the most trusted and certainly profitable investments. The increase in the prices of real estate properties is consistently rising, that is, despite the foreign exchange fluctuations. So I don't think there is a significant correlation at all between the two.

I see that the only similar thing that we can found on both real estate and bitcoin is securing the value or store of value where as you are keeping a tangible asset and on bitcoin you are keeping it on the run of volatile prices. But If I would choose between these two, I'd confidently say real estate coz it is ageless and as we know we don't really know how long will bitcoin be in the market for years, just believe right?

Quote from: Darker45 on September 10, 2020, 10:27:24 PM

I'd rather have both.

We can have these both if we want to, it is a great investment for both actually.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on September 10, 2020, 06:45:34 PM

Real estate could be deflationary in nature similar to bitcoin. Real estate development and construction have not maintained pace with population growth, making real estate scarce(r) in supply. The main bottleneck preventing real estate from appreciating in value is wealth and wage inequality limiting the number of people who can afford to buy it. That malus to consumer purchasing power and demand could devalue real estate below its actual market value.

You've got it backwards. The actual market value is based on real supply and demand. Houses are only worth what people are able and willing to pay. Similar to Chinese ghost cities, just because you build them doesn't make them valuable or in demand. If a house cost you more to build than what it can sell for on the market, you've just made a poor investment. That's all.

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hmm I still would choose bitcoin as an investment.. Real Estate nowadays are hard to invest because thst depends in the country, taxations snd location

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