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legendary
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Antarctica sea ice reached a 30 year record in extent and volume in 2013.
Record volume?
Link please.
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Three years of observations by ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is losing over 150 cubic kilometres of ice each year - considerably more than when last surveyed.
https://earth.esa.int/web/guest/missions/esa-operational-eo-missions/cryosat

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/

This is specific to the West Peninsula, has nothing to do with the entirety of Antartica.
legendary
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Re the Antarctic phenomenon, the counterintuitive phenomenon of expanding ice with rising temperatures in fact makes sense in light of the following:

1) The sea contains salt water, which melts/freezes at -10C (more or less.)
2) Onshore glaciers contain fresh water, which melts/freezes at 0C.
3) Fresh water is less dense than salt water, and will overrun it in a sheet when discharged into the sea (such as near rivers or glaciers.)
4) Increasing temperatures cause increasing discharge of fresh water into Antarctic waters.
5) Because this causes a drop in offshore salinity, the surface melting point rises significantly--more than the temperature itself rises in the short term.
6) Rising melting point results in more ice, even though the temperature is actually higher.

It is significant that some in near-Antarctic waters this year have described the sea water as "almost fresh enough to drink;" this has not historically been the case.
No, this isn't the way it works.

Antarctica always operates sort of in reverse:  N Pole loses ice, S pole gains ice.  Yes sea ice has it's own characteristics, but...we're talking ice here thick enough to stop these ships.  That's not the 'large coverage of thin ice' issue that's seen at the N Pole, which is short lived and which does not compensate for multi year ice.

This is the real thing.

Oh, one more thing.  The proof or disproof of your suggested method 1..6 is whether your theory explains events AT BOTH POLES, and I have to say it this way.  Because otherwise, warmers would propose some other chain of events to explain whatever is convenient where ever they want.
legendary
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The poster boys of climate change thrive in the icy Arctic: Polar bears defy concerns about their extinction
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436882/The-poster-boys-climate-change-thrive-icy-Arctic-Polar-bears-defy-concerns-extinction.html


Now just watch someone who's drank the cool aid come in with the line that 'yeah, the bear population is increasing, but it's going to decrease...'

side note:  as an amateur photographer, I've always thought that bear picture was a really great shot.
legendary
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Misleading title is misleading.
They are talking about a single glacier.
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In January 2012 the dramatic cooling of the ocean around the glacier is believed to be due to an increase in easterly winds caused by a strong La Ninã event in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Normally the winds flow from the west.
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press_releases/press_release.php?id=2452

Here is another misleading title of doom:
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/about-polar-bears/global-warming

Floods. Droughts. Heat waves. Monster wildfires. Climate change is not just about polar bears, the iconic symbol of a melting Arctic. Global warming affects the entire planet.

In fact, if our chief scientist, Dr. Steven C. Amstrup, had his way, every news report on the latest weather disaster would end with these words:

"Events like these will continue to increase in number and severity as the world continues to warm."
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Compared with:

Global population of polar bears has increased by 2,650-5,700 since 2001
http://polarbearscience.com/2013/07/15/global-population-of-polar-bears-has-increased-by-2650-5700-since-2001/

The poster boys of climate change thrive in the icy Arctic: Polar bears defy concerns about their extinction
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436882/The-poster-boys-climate-change-thrive-icy-Arctic-Polar-bears-defy-concerns-extinction.html

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Who knows? May be in 50 years, technology will become so advanced that humans may be able to live in very high temperatures as well.  Grin

George Carlin summed it up best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4

Amazing the bullsh8t people can preoccupy themselves with thus wasting capital because there is a 200 year debt bubble funding their nonsense.

As I explained on my blog, Knowledge accumulates from accretive learning activity with high utility, not from debt-funded socialist theoretical masturbation.

To the commentator upthread with multiple master's degrees who believes warming is real. Of course you are brought up in the socialist's "education" system. So of course you are believe it because you can't see the forest from the trees. I guess you conveniently forget ClimateGate that they fabricated the data. They were even moving thermometers from shaded treed areas to direct sunlit concreted locations. All of you "scientists" are incentivized to jump on board the delusion, because your bread is buttered by the debt-based system. As well I explained in my upthread comments, that we can cherry pick data and studies to paint any picture we want to. It is modeling masturbation.

Just don't forget that accumulated debt is future taxation and eugenics or megadeath every time throughout human history.

Carbon tax on breathing will work well to help the socialism kill itself (although I doubt the delusion will get that far any time soon).
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Misleading title is misleading.
They are talking about a single glacier.
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In January 2012 the dramatic cooling of the ocean around the glacier is believed to be due to an increase in easterly winds caused by a strong La Ninã event in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Normally the winds flow from the west.
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/press/press_releases/press_release.php?id=2452
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Re the Antarctic phenomenon, the counterintuitive phenomenon of expanding ice with rising temperatures in fact makes sense in light of the following:

1) The sea contains salt water, which melts/freezes at -10C (more or less.)
2) Onshore glaciers contain fresh water, which melts/freezes at 0C.
3) Fresh water is less dense than salt water, and will overrun it in a sheet when discharged into the sea (such as near rivers or glaciers.)
4) Increasing temperatures cause increasing discharge of fresh water into Antarctic waters.
5) Because this causes a drop in offshore salinity, the surface melting point rises significantly--more than the temperature itself rises in the short term.
6) Rising melting point results in more ice, even though the temperature is actually higher.

It is significant that some in near-Antarctic waters this year have described the sea water as "almost fresh enough to drink;" this has not historically been the case.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
Antarctica sea ice reached a 30 year record in extent and volume in 2013.
Record volume?
Link please.
Quote
Three years of observations by ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is losing over 150 cubic kilometres of ice each year - considerably more than when last surveyed.
https://earth.esa.int/web/guest/missions/esa-operational-eo-missions/cryosat

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/03/antarctic_ice_shelf_melt_lowest_ever_recorded_just_not_much_affected_by_global_warming/
hero member
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Antarctica sea ice reached a 30 year record in extent and volume in 2013.
Record volume?
Link please.
Quote
Three years of observations by ESA's CryoSat satellite show that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is losing over 150 cubic kilometres of ice each year - considerably more than when last surveyed.
https://earth.esa.int/web/guest/missions/esa-operational-eo-missions/cryosat
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Yea, that video is total bullshit.  From my travels in Africa, most areas sub Sahara need regular industrial infrastructure - including real power plants, coal, natural gas, oil style.

How exactly is solar not "real power plants"?  They're in some of the most solar-dense areas of the planet.
legendary
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Why the need to travel all over the world to conferences with 1000 of printed materials, big limos, private jets, buffet with out of season fruits... to show slides about people using charcoal or wood in African tribes to feed themselves instead of using solar panels?

Skype? Google hangout? I. Don't. Get it.



Sunglasses and light brown mandela T Shirt are not included.
http://youtu.be/IqGA31J-LRQ

i could make another joke here.

But aren't these guys and this mentality, basically somewhat retro?

like 1980s ish, sort of?

i mean, this is straight out, unabashed, 'big government socialism/communism is what we need to save the planet' stuff.


Hopefuly those solar panels are going to be built in Africa, creating jobs etc, not imported from China in containers, on massive dirty ships using oil.
Yea, that video is total bullshit.  From my travels in Africa, most areas sub Sahara need regular industrial infrastructure - including real power plants, coal, natural gas, oil style. What they don't need is smart ass know it alls coming in and telling them how to continue being dirt poor and being sustainable.

They need a lot more than power infrastructure, but it all starts there.
legendary
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American taxpayers spent $7.45 billion to help developing countries cope with climate change in fiscal years 2010 through 2012, according to a federal government report submitted to the United Nations on a subject that Secretary of State John Kerry described as “a truly life-and-death challenge.”

That sum of $7.45 billion, which reached more than 120 countries through bilateral and multilateral channels, met President Obama’s “commitment to provide our fair share” of a collective pledge by developed nations to provide a total of nearly $30 billion in “fast start finance” (FSF), the report stated.

The pledge was made at a Dec. 2009 U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen, and the FSF funding aims to support developing countries adapt to and cope with phenomena blamed on climate change, such as droughts and rising sea levels.

“International assistance for climate change continues to be a major priority for the United States,” the administration said in its “Climate Action Report,” submitted to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) on Wednesday.

It noted that since the U.S. ratified the convention in 1992, its international climate funding  had increased from “virtually zero” to an average of $2.5 billion each year in the 2010-2012 FSF period.

“During the period, average annual appropriated climate assistance increased fourfold compared with 2009 funding levels,” the report said. “U.S. climate assistance has increased in the context of an overall increasing foreign assistance budget.”

According to UNFCCC data, of the $7.45 billion in U.S. funding, $4.7 billion was congressionally-appropriated assistance while development finance and export credit support accounted for a further $2.7 billion of public money.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/americans-spent-745b-3-years-helping-other-countries-deal-climate#sthash.6GzvUXtr.dpuf
legendary
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The leader of the Antarctic global warming expedition that has been mired in thick Antarctic ice for more than a week and is finally facing a helicopter rescue attempt, is claiming that expanding sea ice is consistent with man-made global warming theory.

Chris Turney, a professor of climate change at Australia’s University of New South Wales ([email protected]) “remained adamant that sea ice is melting, even as the boat remained trapped in frozen seas,” according to a Fox News interview.

“Sea ice is disappearing due to climate change, but here ice is building up,” the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said in a statement. Turney explained that “climate change may have prompted the iceberg to shatter and float into the previously open sea where the mostly Australian team finds itself stranded.” “

The ice was swept across to this area by the South-East wind, its pieces creating a knock-on domino effect,” Turney said. “We were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Turney expected to see melting ice. See: ClitanicDisaster: ‘Global warming scientists forced to admit defeat…because of too much ice’ in Antarctica – Will be rescued by helicopter – Chris Turney, a climate scientist and leader of the expedition, was going to document ‘environmental changes’ at the pole - In an interview he said he expected melting ice to play a part in expedition
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/01/01/clitantic-ship-scientists-trapped-in-ice-claim-expanding-sea-ice-caused-by-global-warming-but-data-and-studies-refute-claims/

Antarctica sea ice reached a 30 year record in extent and volume in 2013.

legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
Why the need to travel all over the world to conferences with 1000 of printed materials, big limos, private jets, buffet with out of season fruits... to show slides about people using charcoal or wood in African tribes to feed themselves instead of using solar panels?

Skype? Google hangout? I. Don't. Get it.



Sunglasses and light brown mandela T Shirt are not included.
http://youtu.be/IqGA31J-LRQ

i could make another joke here.

But aren't these guys and this mentality, basically somewhat retro?

like 1980s ish, sort of?

i mean, this is straight out, unabashed, 'big government socialism/communism is what we need to save the planet' stuff.


Hopefuly those solar panels are going to be built in Africa, creating jobs etc, not imported from China in containers, on massive dirty ships using oil.
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
Why the need to travel all over the world to conferences with 1000 of printed materials, big limos, private jets, buffet with out of season fruits... to show slides about people using charcoal or wood in African tribes to feed themselves instead of using solar panels?

Skype? Google hangout? I. Don't. Get it.



Sunglasses and light brown mandela T Shirt are not included.
http://youtu.be/IqGA31J-LRQ

i could make another joke here.

But aren't these guys and this mentality, basically somewhat retro?

like 1980s ish, sort of?

i mean, this is straight out, unabashed, 'big government socialism/communism is what we need to save the planet' stuff.
legendary
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If one day is hot and the other day it is cold as hell, those are definite proofs of human made climate change that will make Earth no longer proper for life in about 50 years, more or less.

The Chinese are secretly building something similar in the movie for the Koch Brothers, but it will be on the Moon. Doubling as a Mega Space Villa/Helium 3 Factory.

Who knows? May be in 50 years, technology will become so advanced that humans may be able to live in very high temperatures as well.  Grin
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
Why the need to travel all over the world to conferences with 1000 of printed materials, big limos, private jets, buffet with out of season fruits... to show slides about people using charcoal or wood in African tribes to feed themselves instead of using solar panels?

Skype? Google hangout? I. Don't. Get it.



Sunglasses and light brown mandela T Shirt are not included.
http://youtu.be/IqGA31J-LRQ
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Ive been noticing that where I live in AZ, Its been getting hotter and hotter during the Winters, like in It takes a while for things to cool down when the season starts.

According to the scientists, the temperature rise due to climate change is more pronounced in the polar regions, when compared to the regions which are close to the equator. Off course, temperatures are rising everywhere, but when compared to the steep change we have in regions like Siberia, the same in Arizona seems to be quite mild.



Yea, One day its hot and the other day its cold as hell, I watched the movie Elysium and it lead me to believe if thats how the earth is going to be like in the next few decades.

If one day is hot and the other day it is cold as hell, those are definite proofs of human made climate change that will make Earth no longer proper for life in about 50 years, more or less.

The Chinese are secretly building something similar in the movie for the Koch Brothers, but it will be on the Moon. Doubling as a Mega Space Villa/Helium 3 Factory.

Well in that case, i might as well carry a lethal dose of heroin and stock pile on weapons to survive, and when I'm done for, I will overdose on the heroin.

Why does'nt the United States do something about it? Maybe we do need libertarians to do the work.
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legendary
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You can't disprove a good conspiracy theory. That's impossible.
As soon as you show them some facts the climate change deniers adjust the theory and make it even more ridiculous.
I think that's what is ridiculous is using a term like 'denier', which means you've bought into the Big Lie and are doing nothing but repeating the propaganda.  As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have been labeled a denier by zealots for arguing that 'climate sensitivity' was lower than they would have liked.

Today, the new IPCC report agrees with me.  Now who is a denier?  Those zealots or me?  If you can't answer that, the term is just the handy slander of the moment on those who argue with your prejudices.

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“This degree of warming would make large swaths of the tropics uninhabitable by humans and cause most forests at low and middle latitudes to change to something else,” says Steven Sherwood of Australia’s University of New South Wales, who led the study.

The changes, Sherwood says, would take Earth “back to the climate of the dinosaurs or worse, and in a geologically minuscule period of time—less than the lifetime of a single tree.”

Atmospheric scientists have long asked how high atmospheric temperatures will rise if greenhouse gases double. This “climate sensitivity” estimate has emerged as a key climate question, with estimates ranging from a low of about 2.7°F (1.5°C) to highs of more than 8°F (4.5°C) of warming in this century......

So this guy, claiming high sensitivity, must be a Denier.  He's denying the reality of the consensus of scientists - the vast majority - as defined by the IPCC report #5.

Can't have it both ways.  Either claim science, or stand on belief.
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