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Quote from: guigui371 on June 30, 2020, 08:16:15 PM

"Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416881/rates-of-gun-crimes-and-killings-using-guns-at-highest-levels-in-a-decade

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On a global scale, gun crime remains incredibly low in New Zealand.

For instance, in the United States there are about 106 deaths per 1 million population each year.

In each of the last two years, New Zealand recorded 2.4 gun-related deaths per million people.

But if you go back to 2014, New Zealand had less than 1 death per million people, so there has been a steep rise over the past few years.

That's nuts.

Did you actually have a point or just fishing for more drooling retards like yourself with your low quality post that your moderator commrade will never remove because he agrees with your politics?

his point is that he thinks it is nuts that NZ gun deaths are like 50x the US .

i own several guns and born and raised republican but agree its nuts something is broken and the answer is not more guns. you should need to demonstrate you will be a responsible gun owner when handling it yourself and keeping anyone getting hold of it that might hurt other people. just like you need to do to drive a car down the road.

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I am very aware you are willing subjects without basic human rights like the right to self defense. We do however have that inalienable right here. Sure you can defend yourself with a sharpened stick if you have one, as long as its not too pointy and has an orange tip. School shootings? If you remove the gang activity as I already mentioned, almost none. We have almost 350 million people here.

I'll answer for you, in 2019 there have been 53 school shootings in the USA.

The amount of gun crime is tiny and centered in about 3 counties in the entire US, which by the way have the most strict gun regulations. If you remove those 3 counties again America becomes one of the safest places on Earth. You slurp up media hysteria with a myopic focus and your brain tells you because you see it so much on your glow box it must be happening a lot. By that logic everyone must own a Ford, drink Coca Cola, and have mesothelioma and want a settlement. You zoom in on one little area of focus so much you lose all context and pretend what you see under a microscope is the whole.

Good for your inalienable rights,
But as the subject of the thread is NZ, I'll point that our rights are: to feel safe anywhere.
And if some people are bearing arms (guns or knives) we don't feel safe.

Having a knife in a public space (even if concealed) is a crime in NZ (unless you have a good excuse like going fishing or hunting, or foraging).

If the US is so safe, why does the president need 20-50 body guards, a bunker, military and other security protocols.
The Nz prime minister lives at her own house, doesnt have 24/7 body guards, drives her own car, does her own shopping without escort, doesnt have a bunker nor a private plane.
Maybe she feels safer than your president.

And how many of those school shootings were in city centers where guns are tightly regulated, and or related to gang activity? You have a right to specific FEELINGS? Really? This is what you think the law should be based around, your feelings? Also it is good to know you can personally speak for the feelings of every Kiwi.

The president is the ruler of the most powerful nation on Earth and has a significant amount of influence on the global economy. Excuse me for saying, but no one gives a fuck about your prime minister. Your premise is like asking why a penny can lay on a sidewalk for months when a 1oz gold coin wouldn't last seconds, it is stupid and disingenuous.

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I am very aware you are willing subjects without basic human rights like the right to self defense. We do however have that inalienable right here. Sure you can defend yourself with a sharpened stick if you have one, as long as its not too pointy and has an orange tip. School shootings? If you remove the gang activity as I already mentioned, almost none. We have almost 350 million people here.

I'll answer for you, in 2019 there have been 53 school shootings in the USA.

Quote from: guigui371 on June 30, 2020, 04:41:09 PM

The amount of gun crime is tiny and centered in about 3 counties in the entire US, which by the way have the most strict gun regulations. If you remove those 3 counties again America becomes one of the safest places on Earth. You slurp up media hysteria with a myopic focus and your brain tells you because you see it so much on your glow box it must be happening a lot. By that logic everyone must own a Ford, drink Coca Cola, and have mesothelioma and want a settlement. You zoom in on one little area of focus so much you lose all context and pretend what you see under a microscope is the whole.

Good for your inalienable rights,
But as the subject of the thread is NZ, I'll point that our rights are: to feel safe anywhere.
And if some people are bearing arms (guns or knives) we don't feel safe.

Having a knife in a public space (even if concealed) is a crime in NZ (unless you have a good excuse like going fishing or hunting, or foraging).

If the US is so safe, why does the president need 20-50 body guards, a bunker, military and other security protocols.
The Nz prime minister lives at her own house, doesnt have 24/7 body guards, drives her own car, does her own shopping without escort, doesnt have a bunker nor a private plane.
Maybe she feels safer than your president.

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Orly?

" New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.

Mate, of course 2019 had the highest rate of gun crime and deaths involving firearm, there has been the first and only mass shooting in NZ.
That one occurence killed more than 10 years of gang violence.

Nz numbers : According to Stuff's data, there have been 105 gun-related homicides, excluding police shootings and hunting deaths, which resulted in the deaths of 167 people – 124 men and 43 women – in the past 15 years. These figures include the March 15 terror attack, counted as a single homicide event.

If you subtract 50 killed in 2019 by the terrorist, that is a whopping 117 people in 15 years.

But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

The number of guns seized by police is also on the rise, up almost 50 percent on five years earlier at 1263 last year."

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2020/05/18/nz-gun-crime-rates-soar-gun-bans/

Same, it is just bad statistics that 2018 was not a great year and that 2019 had a foreign terrorist attack.
But again, with number this low (5-10 death per year) any one-off special gun crime put that charts to new high.
And "an offender was found with a gun" also mean a hunter, was speeding on a countryside road, was given a ticket, and he has a dead stag in the back and a firegun on its holster. That is one occasion.

If you exclude gang violence, the USA is one of the safest places on Earth, but some how people who promote gun control only want to do that when it serves their argument.

Only an American would say that, how many public school shootings per year do you have ?

In your case you are desperate to prove banning guns doesn't result in more gun crime so you ignore gang violence.

In the case of the USA, which has relative freedom to own firearms (except of course in the most gang infested areas) you want to show how bad legal gun ownership is, so you pretend the majority of gun homicides resulting from gang activity are just the normal day to day life of America. You aren't reading the article, you are cherry picking it.

The number above (117 people killed by guns in 15 years excluding terrorism) is inclusive of all gang/drug activities.

Assault weapons have been banned for 1 year now, no assault weapon gun-related crimes have been committed.
The Assault weapon ban has been 100% working so far.

Other types of guns are NOT banned (handgun, pistols, 0.22 riffle ...)

And for information, I do consider that no one should have a weapon in NZ unless they are "hunters" and use weapons that are for hunting.
Easy to understand, only double-digit IQ would want everybody to be armed because it is their "rights".
Oh, and by the way, in NZ we don't have a "right" to bear arms.

I am very aware you are willing subjects without basic human rights like the right to self defense. We do however have that inalienable right here. Sure you can defend yourself with a sharpened stick if you have one, as long as its not too pointy and has an orange tip. School shootings? If you remove the gang activity as I already mentioned, almost none. We have almost 350 million people here.

The amount of gun crime is tiny and centered in about 3 counties in the entire US, which by the way have the most strict gun regulations. If you remove those 3 counties again America becomes one of the safest places on Earth. You slurp up media hysteria with a myopic focus and your brain tells you because you see it so much on your glow box it must be happening a lot. By that logic everyone must own a Ford, drink Coca Cola, and have mesothelioma and want a settlement. You zoom in on one little area of focus so much you lose all context and pretend what you see under a microscope is the whole.

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Orly?

" New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.

Mate, of course 2019 had the highest rate of gun crime and deaths involving firearm, there has been the first and only mass shooting in NZ.
That one occurence killed more than 10 years of gang violence.

Nz numbers : According to Stuff's data, there have been 105 gun-related homicides, excluding police shootings and hunting deaths, which resulted in the deaths of 167 people – 124 men and 43 women – in the past 15 years. These figures include the March 15 terror attack, counted as a single homicide event.

If you subtract 50 killed in 2019 by the terrorist, that is a whopping 117 people in 15 years.

But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

The number of guns seized by police is also on the rise, up almost 50 percent on five years earlier at 1263 last year."

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2020/05/18/nz-gun-crime-rates-soar-gun-bans/

Same, it is just bad statistics that 2018 was not a great year and that 2019 had a foreign terrorist attack.
But again, with number this low (5-10 death per year) any one-off special gun crime put that charts to new high.
And "an offender was found with a gun" also mean a hunter, was speeding on a countryside road, was given a ticket, and he has a dead stag in the back and a firegun on its holster. That is one occasion.

If you exclude gang violence, the USA is one of the safest places on Earth, but some how people who promote gun control only want to do that when it serves their argument.

Only an American would say that, how many public school shootings per year do you have ?

Quote from: guigui371 on June 30, 2020, 03:48:14 PM

In your case you are desperate to prove banning guns doesn't result in more gun crime so you ignore gang violence.

In the case of the USA, which has relative freedom to own firearms (except of course in the most gang infested areas) you want to show how bad legal gun ownership is, so you pretend the majority of gun homicides resulting from gang activity are just the normal day to day life of America. You aren't reading the article, you are cherry picking it.

The number above (117 people killed by guns in 15 years excluding terrorism) is inclusive of all gang/drug activities.

Assault weapons have been banned for 1 year now, no assault weapon gun-related crimes have been committed.
The Assault weapon ban has been 100% working so far.

Other types of guns are NOT banned (handgun, pistols, 0.22 riffle ...)

And for information, I do consider that no one should have a weapon in NZ unless they are "hunters" and use weapons that are for hunting.
Easy to understand, only double-digit IQ would want everybody to be armed because it is their "rights".
Oh, and by the way, in NZ we don't have a "right" to bear arms.

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"Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416881/rates-of-gun-crimes-and-killings-using-guns-at-highest-levels-in-a-decade

If you read the article, you would see that the year 2019 was indeed the deadlier year in terms of gun crime because a white supremacist foreigner decided to kill 50 people.
Regarding year 2018, well when you look at numbers/statistics (let's say 10 years) a year has to be the lowest, and another has to be the highest.
It turns out that "highest" happened to be 1 year before a terrorist attack.
And 2018, must have had 1 extra drug gang dealer being shot by another druggy and that put the stats off the charts.

Then, if you look at the data from 2014: death per million, NZ having less than 5 million people it means that back in 2014 we (I live in NZ) had less than 5 death per gun per year .... but about 350 - 400 road casualty per year.
Saying that now (in 2020) we have 10 death by gun (again, mainly gang members) is an uncontrolled gun issue is just a plain joke.

Two weeks ago, a police officer was killed in his duty, It happen to be by a gun, the previous incidence of a police officer dying in the line of duty was in 2009.

Since 1890 (yes 1890) only 33 police officers died of criminal acts in the line of duty (and out of those 33 casualties, 20% were not killed by firearms) .

Nz doesn't have a gun issue, gun-related crimes are not on the rise.

Orly?

" New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.

But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

The number of guns seized by police is also on the rise, up almost 50 percent on five years earlier at 1263 last year."

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2020/05/18/nz-gun-crime-rates-soar-gun-bans/

If you exclude gang violence, the USA is one of the safest places on Earth, but some how people who promote gun control only want to do that when it serves their argument. In your case you are desperate to prove banning guns doesn't result in more gun crime so you ignore gang violence.

In the case of the USA, which has relative freedom to own firearms (except of course in the most gang infested areas) you want to show how bad legal gun ownership is, so you pretend the majority of gun homicides resulting from gang activity are just the normal day to day life of America. You aren't reading the article, you are cherry picking it.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on June 30, 2020, 02:56:40 PM

"Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416881/rates-of-gun-crimes-and-killings-using-guns-at-highest-levels-in-a-decade

If you read the article, you would see that the year 2019 was indeed the deadlier year in terms of gun crime because a white supremacist foreigner decided to kill 50 people.
Regarding year 2018, well when you look at numbers/statistics (let's say 10 years) a year has to be the lowest, and another has to be the highest.
It turns out that "highest" happened to be 1 year before a terrorist attack.
And 2018, must have had 1 extra drug gang dealer being shot by another druggy and that put the stats off the charts.

Then, if you look at the data from 2014: death per million, NZ having less than 5 million people it means that back in 2014 we (I live in NZ) had less than 5 death per gun per year .... but about 350 - 400 road casualty per year.
Saying that now (in 2020) we have 10 death by gun (again, mainly gang members) is an uncontrolled gun issue is just a plain joke.

Two weeks ago, a police officer was killed in his duty, It happen to be by a gun, the previous incidence of a police officer dying in the line of duty was in 2009.

Since 1890 (yes 1890) only 33 police officers died of criminal acts in the line of duty (and out of those 33 casualties, 20% were not killed by firearms) .

Nz doesn't have a gun issue, gun-related crimes are not on the rise.

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Just sharing my thoughts on the article you posted. I wasn't personally attacking you.

So like I said, low quality posts that will never be removed because you slob commknobs?

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Quote from: TECSHARE on June 30, 2020, 02:38:49 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on June 30, 2020, 01:09:33 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on June 30, 2020, 01:09:33 PM

"Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416881/rates-of-gun-crimes-and-killings-using-guns-at-highest-levels-in-a-decade

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On a global scale, gun crime remains incredibly low in New Zealand.

For instance, in the United States there are about 106 deaths per 1 million population each year.

In each of the last two years, New Zealand recorded 2.4 gun-related deaths per million people.

But if you go back to 2014, New Zealand had less than 1 death per million people, so there has been a steep rise over the past few years.

That's nuts.

Did you actually have a point or just fishing for more drooling retards like yourself with your low quality post that your moderator commrade will never remove because he agrees with your politics?

Just sharing my thoughts on the article you posted. I wasn't personally attacking you.

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"Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade"

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416881/rates-of-gun-crimes-and-killings-using-guns-at-highest-levels-in-a-decade

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On a global scale, gun crime remains incredibly low in New Zealand.

For instance, in the United States there are about 106 deaths per 1 million population each year.

In each of the last two years, New Zealand recorded 2.4 gun-related deaths per million people.

But if you go back to 2014, New Zealand had less than 1 death per million people, so there has been a steep rise over the past few years.

That's nuts.

Did you actually have a point or just fishing for more drooling retards like yourself with your low quality post that your moderator commrade will never remove because he agrees with your politics?

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