Topic: Refugees Discussion - page 2. (Read 2466 times)

i dont think killers are between those refugees.. refugees crisis must be solved behind closed doors becuse in front of the mass media this topic is getting worse and worse..

They are cowards..but this is plan of massive migration from Syria and Iraq to Europe..and also from Somalia and North Africa..they will change European population definitely

I am British we never run 1st world war 2nd world war how many refugees where British then ANSWER NONE..When we go to war we stand and fight
we BRITISH HAVE NOWHERE TO RUN NOT UNLESS WE CAN ALL SWIM THE CHANNEL..

So to all you fit young refugees GET BACK AND FIGHT YOU SHIT BAGS..

WE BRITISH STAND AND FIGHT OR WE DIE

BUT ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE PAST WARS WE NEVER RUN FROM INVADERS BECAUSE WE GOT NO WHERE TO RUN WHERE ON AN ISLAND

There are few villages in north part of Germany, once peaceful places with less then 1000 citizens, now have big problems because have to accpet more than 1000 refugees and we all see what is happening with them..but i noticed something interesting: in media looks like most of the refugees who commit attacks,raping are refugees from North Africa, Somalia, Nigeria..and not Syria,Iraq

They don't know the language, most of them are not educated, and each of the women produce anywhere between half a dozen and one dozen children. In this situation, it will be much better to direct these refugees towards countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, where they will face no language or cultural issues.

Something like this can't be applied in a such situation. These guys are officially "refugees" so the socialists can't make difference between these "needy". Note also that even if they were tradional migrants, since equality is the only word they know, it's impossible to make distinctions.

Newer Arab refugees are creating big problems for all countries. I think there should be limit to it, maybe like they should know language, they should be educated or they should carry limited kids etc.

in germany up to now in 2015 totally 490 violence cases against Refugee but in 2014 only 250 cases

By less kids, you mean a reduction from 12 children per woman to 6 children per woman? That is still much higher than the average fertility rate of 1.3 children per woman in Germany. Lets take an example here.

In a city, there are 90 European couples and 10 Muslim couples. The 90 European couples will raise 117 kids, while the 10 Muslim couples will raise 60 kids. So in the next generation, the percentage of Muslims would have increased from 10% to 34%.

Now after 25-30 years, these 117 Europeans (58 couples) will raise 76 kids, while the 30 Muslim couples will raise 180 kids. Here, the percentage of Muslims become 70.3%.

This shows that the Muslims can take over the European Union in less than 2 generations.

From what I know, a group of armed people wanted to take Al-Assad out, and he replied by keeping is power. Maybe you could tell that it isn't something "right" but I'll tell you that it is. If they would have took power the same thing that have happened to the Great Persia (now Iran) would have happened to Syria. This would be a dumb Islamic "Republic". Also Al-Assad is the most legitimate chief of this country. He has been fully legally elected.

But I guess all this is kinda off topic, as I think this thread is quite interesting, to get coverage from so many different countries on the migrant crisis. Because no matter how individual your opinion maybe, you cant totally escape your local news propaganda or the national atmosphere.

So what have we learned from the comments so far?


I am sure thats possible, as most immigrants threw their passports away to claim they are coming from syria, because fleeing from a warzone gives them better chances to get asylum. All institutions are totally overwhelmed with the registration of the refugees, so it should be really easy for terrorists to sneak into the country among the masses.
But I really doubt that they are able to cause any threat in Europe. I would much more fear false flag attacks by the government blaming the muslims to tighten security measures, mass surveillance or to take other political actions.


Sure you can say, every muslim that gets asylum brings like 5 family members from his home country, and as women in a patriarchal muslim society dont work like in the west, but rather get 5 kids, our population will be outnumbered in a few generations, the islam party will get in charge and welcome to the Sharia.
But I think thats utopian, muslim immigrants are much more assimilated in the 2nd generation living in a foreign country and hence get less kids.

If they were organizing for his ouster that might be a solid reason in his view.  who knows why people do what they do.

On the flip side of the question, they'd tolerated him for the same amount of time, then why the sudden actions on their part.

something lit the fuse.  what it was is probably way more twisted than either side, or the other players (US, Iran, Russia etc) would want us to believe.  it almost always is.

If Assad had tolerated them for like 15 years without any issues, then what makes you think that he is suddenly going to bomb them without any solid reason?


Talking about the migrants? 80% of them are not Syrian, and the buck stops there. Send them back to where they came from (Pakistan, Egypt.etc). And regarding the Syrians, you can ask the Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait to take them. After all, they are also Arab speaking and Muslim people.

maybe.  maybe not. and that is IF the Americans and their allies did as you say.

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

we could kick that ball around forever I imagine, but it derails the thread topic to some extent, which is what to do with these millions now.  that in itself is a complex issue with no clear answer and seemingly no good solution from any angle that I can see.

Look even Google wants to make some money with the refugees!!!  

VIDEO

Had the Americans and their allies (especially the Turks, Saudis, Qataris, and the Israelis) refrained from arming the Islamists, this would have been avoided. The Islamists ambushed Syrian policemen and government officials, and massacred them without any provocation. Naturally, this invited a harsh response from Bashar al Assad.

I find myself agreeing with you on this.  As I've said, I do not think the US should be playing de facto world cop. 

we'll never know but the fates of afghanistan iraq and libya give us a good idea

the irony is that the Americans sat Syria out for the most part and are still to blame in the eyes of some.

maybe if they HAD stepped in when Assad started mowing down civilians with his military the situation would be different.  We'll never know at this point what would have been had this or that been done.

it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I've said it before on these boards.  I'd rather the US sit this kind of shit out, as trying to be the world's cop is a thankless, expensive job.  No matter the result people are pissed for one reason or another.

I'm sure some people will tell us of proxy wars or some CIA plot in Syria, but the origins of the Syrian uprising and the government response of firing on it's own citizens cannot be laid at the feet of the Americans.

To be sure, the US has stuck its nose into too many places in this fucked up region of the world where it seems like lunatics are at the helm all over the place, but Syria broke itself without any help from anyone, including the US.

No they where going crazy there is a funny video about it:
She says: Thick Bmw guys(The guy in the Bmw is the guy who just told them they where getting 800 refugees more)
Then a undercover cop pulls her away, and she dislocates something in her arm or shoulder!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xQWnhQ0Ksyo

And also yesterday in a little town Steenbergen with 23.571 people living there.
They are trying to bring 800 refugees there this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73DMzzVow

So that is happening in The Netherlands for now, and I don't know why they try to put them in the little village's here.
I think because they still have a lot of room to build there, compared to the big city's, and they can easily put away a lot of people