Topic: Refund of Donations - page 2. (Read 2632 times)

The donations are being spent on a $350,000 Forum upgrade that we are all now aware of. My point is, it is your opinion that he was neglecting his duties. There was never any explicit timeframe on when a new forum would be created. I would be a lot more upset if he spent $100,000 on new forum upgrades last year, and they sucked.

Alright, well you can get back to me on that. Its a fairly simple question, and you have opinions which you think are valid and you aren't willing to back up. But, like I said, you are welcome to get back to me as soon as something pops into your head. I wouldn't want to interfer with your Sunday evening.

d00d, it is sunday evening here. I am having fun and I am not in the mood to discuss "example of the donations not being used for their intended purpose".

 

I relaxing listening some drum&bass, not up to long and tedious intellectual debates that will not change the present situation.

What is your example of the donations not being used for their intended purpose?

So verbal agreements are never binding.  I think that omission speaks well to your "lawyer" credentials.  Also isn't it unethical to provide legal counsel without a lawyer, client agreement?

List? What list?

Most likely the donations where not spent at all. I am sure the costs to run the forum has been covered by advertisement revenue.

d00d, here this means almost nothing. Anyone can present itself as lawyer. This argument from authority is just bullshit. If you think non-profit entities do not have any obligation to prove how their spend funds you are delusional.

List what donations have been used on. Hopefully short enough for you.

TL;DR

No matter what you say, the case is pretty clear: donations were collected and not used for the intended purpose.

I am indeed aware of this, techically, Theymos' only verbal contract was that donator's money would be used on forum upgrades. Donations were indeed not spent on anything except forum upgrades which you might consider overdue, but that should be irrelevant legally and morally. I know your hookers and blow example wasn't literal, but the funds were not spent on hookers, blow, personal expenses, etc.

I cannot give my opinion as to whether Theymos is morally obligated to refund donations, as morals are very variable from person to person. I can only respond to legally liable to refund donations, of which he is not. Will he refund donations, I have no idea, I'm assuming he will address it as well as your and other's other questions. I don't blame him for not discussing his possible ideas with anyone, as they seem to get leaked ASAP.


Regardless of if that is true or not, which pretty heavily relies on how the forum is registered (I don't want to disclose any details because I'm not personally sure) he has proved what the donations he recieved have been spent on. That comes in the form of donation money not leaving the forum's funds for the last two years, and the impending announcement of new forum software. Had he not told anyone about any of it until Monday when he said he would release the info to the public, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I am a Lawyer, and you can be sure that theymos DOES NOT have the OBLIGATION to prove on what he have spent DONATIONS he received without any kind of agreement (digital or paper).

And now is really the end of this history.

If I am correct, Goat is under the impression that Theymos SHOULD return the donations, as a moral obligation as he stated in the post above. Agusto is under the assumption he HAS TO return the donations.

Exactly, you dont have a physhical agreement or a contract , and because of that, theymos could have spent the bitcoins on wahtever he wanted on the forum.

I was given the Ok to split the topic, so now that it is not going off topic, I can now post what I wanted to originally, going back to your church example.


It is more like a church using donations for people who you do not agree with. The straight facts are A. You do have a Donators section, any side expectations are not Theymos' obligation. The existance of a Donator's forum fulfils that. And B. the funds would be spent on forum upgrades. The Donated Bitcoins have not been used for anything besides forum upgrades which you cannot deny. There was no agreement clause stating that Theymos had X amount of time to spend the donations or you would be entitled to them back. The coins sat until they were used for the promised purpose, you do not have the ability to say, well it wasn't done in the time I had expected, so I am entitled to a refund.

One of Goat's questions in the other thread that this was split from, is will donations be refunded? Well, maybe since the forums has enough ad revenue to support itself now, but there is no legal entitlement to a refund.

Please let me know if you think the title of the thread is appropriate, I figured that was the central issue here, but if you think of a more suitable one, it can be changed.

d00d, this is called regret. Nice try, anyway. Here!, one more post to keep you busy.

In the court you must have with you REAL and past facts, imaginary things wont gonna help you.

*Sigh* no, I erased my post to avoid this, not that it matters anyway as the last half of this thread will most likely be split from this topic now. I'll wait for someone else to do it however, I don't like messing with Meta threads, especially ones I'm involved in.

If you would like me to explain why you are wrong, you can pm me about it.

...and thanks to what was not improved in the forum I do not have what should be part of what I have now.

LoL, the d00d most likely erased his post in regret.