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full member
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August 04, 2017, 07:52:50 AM
#32
...but they dont limit the number of units sold per house hold...

Batch 1 was limited to 100 units per customer, whereas each successive batch has been limited to 50 units per customer. That's still a lot, but there are limits.

You mean per imaginary account created with a random address?
sr. member
Activity: 384
Merit: 256
August 04, 2017, 06:57:42 AM
#31
...but they dont limit the number of units sold per house hold...

Batch 1 was limited to 100 units per customer, whereas each successive batch has been limited to 50 units per customer. That's still a lot, but there are limits.
legendary
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August 03, 2017, 08:37:44 PM
#30
Which means  mmm   bitmain condones it? or worse bitmain is actually the one doing it.

Nice way to sell the gear at a jacked price.


So bitmain  comment please?



Funny thing is they are advertising on bitmains twitter feed, and reselling the miners

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/893027915671011328




Bingo....easy way for bitmain to sell "the cheapest" miners.  There is something going on here and ive been trying to blast  everyone doing it.  Every new sale is from a new account.  Wven the people "asking" generating interest.  I bet its not more than a couple people doing all of this.  Fucked up and needs to stop.  Easiest way to start to eliminate it is to have no account details can change until full payment is made as someone said above. That will at least cut down the "selling my spot on line" sales.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
August 03, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
#29
Which means  mmm   bitmain condones it?  or worse bitmain is actually the one doing it.

Nice way to sell the gear at a jacked price.


So bitmain  comment please?



Funny thing is they are advertising on bitmains twitter feed, and reselling the miners

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/893027915671011328



sr. member
Activity: 489
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August 03, 2017, 07:26:42 PM
#28
Its only a matter of time b4 someone is scammed by these schemes, all it takes is someone to hijack a bitmain account which they already sold with the  paid orders by just changing the bitmain password through the unchangable email address used to setup the bitmain account. And even if the email account and password were given to the buyer and password were changed , theres still linked  backup email addresses, phones and authentication apps that can still recover those email addresses too if a user doesnt bother or doesnt know how to change these settings to reflect their own details. If people get screwed over on this they wont notice until a few days before shipping.
legendary
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August 03, 2017, 06:54:56 PM
#27
I'm very new to the world of Crypto but have become extremely passionate about it.
As such I've launched 2 websites, built my own mining rig and have a business partner and dev team at work on a new eco system.

What I cant do however, is buy a damn miner and I cant because Bitmain not only doesn't make things very clear on their site on how to pre-order from their site, but they dont limit the number of units sold per house hold or apparently even "buying" units for the sole purpose of gouging the community that support their company. I'm willing to pay a $500 premium for someone having the foresight to get an order in at the right time but I'm not willing to pay 2x to 3x the price for something that is only that expensive because the community allows this practice to begin with.

Typically when I'm forced into a situation like this I'd simply get to work creating competition but in this case, I'm not sure where to start to design such a device.

This blatant profiteering, supported by the manufacturer is pretty disgusting honestly and I cant figure out why Bitmain would not only allow it, but seemingly fully support it.



That not the problem i remember when bitmain would have orders set up for days and wouldn't sell out for weeks this just started a few months ago and all most right way every miners is gone ..
then a day later some one pops up with some awe full price for a other wise less costly miners then every one buys it that seller was able to rev so many in some cases pay for them with the intent to jack up the price to sell high Ive seen it done that way to . if some one asks why so high the seller would use the excuse i have other costs to cover .. or  be rude and say if you don't like it don't buy it . Honestly i don't know how they live with there self, I guess money does that... but that's me and Ive been lucky and usually am when i get the right a mount of cash to gather it's usually about the time sells start . i don't time it that way, it happens that way .

And sells for these type miners are no longer a units sold per house hold thing big crops buy miners by the 100  ... you may have to ask bitmain or canaan or INNOSILICON for big sell orders but it's not a house hold thing any more like it was a year or so ago .

Plus side have you looked in to buying BTC miners here  if all you want to mine at first is BTC they have the best support and miners even better then bitmain ...



https://canaan.io/

legendary
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August 03, 2017, 06:48:18 PM
#26
to help counter it , some one watches when they go on sell and rev those miners but gives those accounts away for nothing sense it cost nothing to make a account ...and don't get greedy.

Or the company's charge a refundable fee till after the miners is paid for in full upfront other wise i can't say and hope the company's fix things.
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
August 03, 2017, 06:08:09 PM
#25
I'm very new to the world of Crypto but have become extremely passionate about it.
As such I've launched 2 websites, built my own mining rig and have a business partner and dev team at work on a new eco system.

What I cant do however, is buy a damn miner and I cant because Bitmain not only doesn't make things very clear on their site on how to pre-order from their site, but they dont limit the number of units sold per house hold or apparently even "buying" units for the sole purpose of gouging the community that support their company. I'm willing to pay a $500 premium for someone having the foresight to get an order in at the right time but I'm not willing to pay 2x to 3x the price for something that is only that expensive because the community allows this practice to begin with.

Typically when I'm forced into a situation like this I'd simply get to work creating competition but in this case, I'm not sure where to start to design such a device.

This blatant profiteering, supported by the manufacturer is pretty disgusting honestly and I cant figure out why Bitmain would not only allow it, but seemingly fully support it.

hero member
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August 03, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
#24

Funny thing is they are advertising on bitmains twitter feed, and reselling the miners

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/893027915671011328


sr. member
Activity: 873
Merit: 268
August 03, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
#23
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Yes this is better than removing wire transfer. I think you should suggest on Bitmains twitter and alert them. The chinese will take swift action.

Funny thing is they are advertising on bitmains twitter feed, and reselling the miners

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/893027915671011328



member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
August 03, 2017, 02:18:31 PM
#22
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Yes this is better than removing wire transfer. I think you should suggest on Bitmains twitter and alert them. The chinese will take swift action.

I would but dont have a twitter account. I can mail their support but they're busy dealing with the garbage orders at the moment I would think.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
August 03, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
#21
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Yes this is better than removing wire transfer. I think you should suggest on Bitmains twitter and alert them. The chinese will take swift action.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
August 03, 2017, 01:58:34 PM
#20
A very simple fix to this Smiley

1.) Don't support people doing this
2.) Don't allow a company to do this by rejecting their offer

If we would all just remain without greed for a month or two, a lot of things would change, but nobody wants to except for a few so here we are Smiley Just remember that you alone can make a stand and that all that matters. As long as you do what you feel is right, you will end up in a good place. Don't listen to greedy crypto nerds and do your thing, that's all that really matters.
member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
August 03, 2017, 01:57:22 PM
#19
As we all know bitmain released another batch of D3 (some estimates around 32k D3) today morning.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201707201601357978QhCAWa5065C

few minutes after it was sold out... people on twitter/forums etc started selling there unpaid D3 for exuberant prices.

I want to take a personal stand against these profiteers who only block purchase (from legitimate miners) orders to resell (nothing wrong with reselling i have sold a lot of my equipment in the past at market prices) my problem is that the buyers have no intention of purchasing D3 and they don't have funds to do so or run some of the D3s they are not crypto supporters they are just price gauger....

I hope you take a stand with me and not purchase there empty unpaid orders... let me know your thoughts.

(some will say i am bitter/upset on missing out the D3 sale and they are correct i am sad  but not bitter i would rather wait and support the network at a fair price than line the pocket of some schmuck who who got lucky and ordered few D3s never intending to pay or mine with them )




32k ? as in 32,000 units sold ? that sounds way 2 high for selling out in 10 minutes... ?

1. they reserved-sold units..meaning in 2 days around half or 1/3rd of their orders will expire and be re-sold (something Bitmain might wanna fix)

2. They sell batches by the hundreds of units, never thousands...if a batch gets to be thousands,it means the price vs ROI is bad and people stayed away and didnt buy

sr. member
Activity: 277
Merit: 250
August 03, 2017, 01:46:47 PM
#18
As we all know bitmain released another batch of D3 (some estimates around 32k D3) today morning.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201707201601357978QhCAWa5065C

few minutes after it was sold out... people on twitter/forums etc started selling there unpaid D3 for exuberant prices.

I want to take a personal stand against these profiteers who only block purchase (from legitimate miners) orders to resell (nothing wrong with reselling i have sold a lot of my equipment in the past at market prices) my problem is that the buyers have no intention of purchasing D3 and they don't have funds to do so or run some of the D3s they are not crypto supporters they are just price gauger....

I hope you take a stand with me and not purchase there empty unpaid orders... let me know your thoughts.

(some will say i am bitter/upset on missing out the D3 sale and they are correct i am sad  but not bitter i would rather wait and support the network at a fair price than line the pocket of some schmuck who who got lucky and ordered few D3s never intending to pay or mine with them )




32k ? as in 32,000 units sold ? that sounds way 2 high for selling out in 10 minutes... ?
legendary
Activity: 3780
Merit: 1418
August 03, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
#17
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Perfect solution.  Works well for all parties: bitmain and actual buyers
member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
August 03, 2017, 01:23:07 PM
#16
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Yup, that's why I think Bitcointalk should take a stand against the practice because it also increases the chances of scams since these "resellers" have no risk, look at all the new accounts recently created that are selling bitmain accounts with preorders.

I sold a preorder as well, but a month after i had paid it off and had another investment pop up that required cash on hand. Failing that, I would've received the order and just mined it.

Im okay with legit resellers who have skin in the game. They take on a risk and if it doesnt pan out, they lose while trying to play the market. If it does work, they get rewarded.

This $0 down but selling $50000 worth of ASICs type of sales threads are getting out of hand.
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 508
August 03, 2017, 01:14:39 PM
#15
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.

Yup, that's why I think Bitcointalk should take a stand against the practice because it also increases the chances of scams since these "resellers" have no risk, look at all the new accounts recently created that are selling bitmain accounts with preorders.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
August 03, 2017, 01:13:49 PM
#14
Yes its getting out of hand... because of supply/demand in a weird way i can understand there greed..

I don't understand there greed or even why they have to be all it does is hurt and piss others off you said it your self . and leave good honest miners out in the cold.
member
Activity: 91
Merit: 10
August 03, 2017, 01:13:00 PM
#13
This a very easy fix:

Bitmain should not allow order changes unless order 100% paid for.

The only resellers would be those with paid off orders, in full.

Right now you have kids with $0 in the system, selling machines worth $5k-7k a piece at no risk. If the 2 days pass, they dont care, no personal risk.
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