Topic: Regarding Ponzi Sites -- Requesting some attention (not another section thread) - page 2. (Read 1597 times)

It doesn't matter whether a ponzi is currently paying out or have already ran away with the money. It's a scam because the goal is to run away with the money.


Then you label yourself a scammer which is fine because that's what you are - a scammer running a ponzi.

I hope you do change your opinion. From what I am reading, you think people are as smart as you are. Well the truth is 80% of the people on this forum will not even check trust rating details and will base trust ratings on how small the number is. I'm -17, a new member might be -4/-6 and then the coins have gone to the smaller trust rating and potentially, into the -4's pocket.
I'm urging you leave neutrals on those who are paying out automatically, instantly and legitimately. such as myself. as it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to scam anything more than 1.95btc with my script. I also take my 4% fee which is more than enough to sustain costs and to make profit in the long run. It would be foolish for me to even take 10BTC if I was capable of doing so, as I would make more in say one months time running this site legitimately.

If you want more reasons, I have full ammunition. Right now all I see from you is "i will keep it in mind" or "if its a ponzi hes going red". That does not help the community, nor how i see how it would benefit you.

I want to run this point over you again:
If the whole forum had 0 trust and you weren't allowed to +trust certain members (in this situation, people who +trust or promote ponzi's get red trust) how could you tell who is a scammer and who isn't? You can't. It's impossible and it's biased. Scammers will win, legitimate members will lose.

Take it into consideration, think about it long and hard and get back to us here.

In the meantime I want to see opinions from other Default Trust members.

I have warned them it's a ponzi and not trustworthy by putting up a negative rating which turns your trust red. If they ignore that and/or search for a ponzi with the lowest negative trust and gamble their, it's not my problem if they lost their BTC. They have decided to ignore all the warnings and gambled.

If I'm biased because I give negative ratings to all ponzi's, than so be it.

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I will keep in my mind what you said and think about it. I might change my opinion.

That still does not help anyone out at all. The fact every single ponzi thread will have a negative trust under their name will mean no one will know (unless they dig deep and read descriptions) who is a scam and who isn't.
Again, rethink what you're doing and think about what I am saying. I know you think it's bs that you are being corrected by your nemesis (ponzi games) but you need to think about other people.

I do not want people to lose their coins in scams like everyone is seeing before our eyes, and I'm sure you don't either. So I request that we all reorganise trust ratings and that you start flagging sites that:
1. Hold more than 5BTC at a time
2. Are NOT automatic (whipped together HTML and a transaction logger for the transactions page, a baby can do it)
3. Pay after a certain amount of time (not instant or automatic)
4. Do not pay, obviously this point is to late to take into consideration. First 3 points can easily be distinguished from the first look at their thread or site.

And if anyone loses money in a ponzi because they couldn't tell if it was legitimate or not, that's your fault for posting negative trust ratings on every ponzi you see. Some people won't go and dig deep, some will just look and see every single site has -4 and will pick one and hope for the best. I hope you think about that also. You're proving to everyone why you shouldn't be apart of default trust right now. Glad you are showing your true colors to us all that your trust ratings are biased.

Please see my edited message. Also, if people lose money because they gambled with ponzi's, it's not my fault. It's theirs.

You are a perfect example of why this section will not work.

How are you going to separate the SCAMS from the PAYING if you think like this and leave you trust ratings based on this state of mind? You won't. You are causing peoples funds to be robbed just as bad as the scammers who intend on doing so. I highly recommend you rethink that state of mind, or else you are going to cause a lot of people to lose their coins

I label myself as a ponzi, that's how the game works, exactly like a ponzi. I'm not arguing this fact at all.

I don't care if you are legit, honest, fair, etc. A ponzi is a ponzi and I warn users for that by marking you red. They can always decide, based on posts, if they want to gamble or not. However, I might change the description added to certain Ponzi's.

An honest ponzi is still a ponzi. If you google the word ponzi, the keyword scam shows up in every search. Simply because the whole Ponzi scheme system is flawed, and anyone trying to profit off of it, will "eventually" get scammed off of his coins because you can't afford to pay him out. So you may be honest for now, but when your ponzi will fall apart and you take off with X coins, you will be a scammer. So are all the people hosting ponzis.

Hi everyone.
My name is NextPonzi. Yes, I am a Ponzi Game owner and my thread is in the gambling section. My current trust rating is -17 -3 right now and I run a legitimate, paying ponzi program.
I am also (actually, we are (there is two of us)) a member of bitcointalk with quite a trustworthy account. An account which I will not reveal because, well, look at my trust rating.

I just want to go over the effects you have on this community, especially Default Trust accounts.

When you neg a ponzi site which is completely fine, I want you to monitor that trust. Keep an eye on it. Simply because some sites, like myself and WeeklyPonzi are actually legitimate but with your trust rating, we are flagged as scammers.

having a negative trust rating is NOT what I am complaining about here.

It is the fact that users will not know who is legitimate and who is not. Now it's if you are not fast enough, people are going to invest in the new (potentially scam) site with a 0 trust rating because people will think he is legitimate compared to the -17, legitimate site like myself or Weekly Ponzi's case.

My point being, I want you to remove or monitor your feedback for legitimate sites. If every single ponzi game (or scam) is in negative trust, how will people know if they are truly legitimate or not? They won't.

Along with this, people are getting negative trusts for positive trusting a ponzi. That's another big issue and really expresses my point above.

I already know for a fact a huge amount of default trust users will make me -100+ after this post. and to be frank, i am not actually phased as anyone who wants to use my legitimate ponzi which is running fine, or weekly ponzi's, then they will do so and disregard your trust rating. Anyone who does believe the rating will then move onto a brand new site with 0 trust rating, and then get scammed.

It's something I want you all to think about.

tl;dr: I hope that you do make this Ponzi Game section, but at the same time organise how you will flag the scams and how you will flag legitimate sites. Just like this forum, if everyone has a negative trust rating here no one will know who is a scammer and who is not. Causing mayhem for users and profit in scammers pockets. That is EXACTLY the situation this section will go through if all of these biased and default ratings continue. Some sites don't deserve the negative trust rating like Weekly Ponzi (and to be honest, myself) as both of our sites make it impossible to run with large amounts of funds. The maximum NextPonzi can carry in a wallet at a time is 1.95BTC (max deposit x 1.3 (130% return). As soon as the wallet has funds ready, it sends the BTC automatically to those who need to be paid out. No manual work required.

I hope you guys read this carefully and take a good hard think. What I say makes sense and is true, I would really appreciate it if we used the trust rating to properly rate the sites. THAT WAY if we DO make a ponzi section, it will be very clear who is legitimate and who is not. Right now, it's a dogs breakfast and people are losing money thanks to your biased opinions and disorganised trust ratings.

Best Regards,

-NextPonzi, and a caring bitcointalk member.