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Topic: Regarding the high loss rate of Bitcoin, has Satoshi Nakamoto considered? - page 2. (Read 282 times)

newbie
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In the future, if the natural loss rate of the Bitcoin network is 1%-2% per year, it is not a big problem, which is equivalent to 1%-2% interest for depositors. If the loss rate reaches more than 5% per year, will it seriously affect the circulation of Bitcoin.

I don't know where you get those percentages from but certainly your assumption is exaggerated. As of today, we are not losing anything close to 5% per year. At the beginning it was more normal that many were lost, because it was a new thing, which was worth very little and people were not careful. Today, in general, much more measures are taken to avoid losing your private keys, but even so, inevitably a small percentage will continue to be lost, much smaller than the 5% per year that you suggest.

But even if they were lost that much it would not be a problem because what would happen is that the rest would be worth more and when the time came a consensus could be reached to further subdivide the remaining ones. Just as 1 Bitcoin is equivalent to 100 million Satoshis, each Satoshi could be subdivided into 100 million miniSatoshis or whatever name you want to give it. And in fact, this is something that is already done with LN because millisats are used.

Problem solved.
thank you very much.
A loss rate greater than 5% per year is an assumption, a possible scenario.
If the loss rate is too high, the person who owns Bitcoin first can take away the labor value of the new person who wants to own Bitcoin only by depositing coins.
This risk-free return is too high, and newcomers will no longer want to own Bitcoin because their labor is being exploited by others.

And subdivide doesn't solve this problem,What it solves is the convenience of currency use. Because no matter how subdivided, new people need to use labor to acquire new bitcoins.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
In the future, if the natural loss rate of the Bitcoin network is 1%-2% per year, it is not a big problem, which is equivalent to 1%-2% interest for depositors. If the loss rate reaches more than 5% per year, will it seriously affect the circulation of Bitcoin.

I don't know where you get those percentages from but certainly your assumption is exaggerated. As of today, we are not losing anything close to 5% per year. At the beginning it was more normal that many were lost, because it was a new thing, which was worth very little and people were not careful. Today, in general, much more measures are taken to avoid losing your private keys, but even so, inevitably a small percentage will continue to be lost, much smaller than the 5% per year that you suggest.

But even if they were lost that much it would not be a problem because what would happen is that the rest would be worth more and when the time came a consensus could be reached to further subdivide the remaining ones. Just as 1 Bitcoin is equivalent to 100 million Satoshis, each Satoshi could be subdivided into 100 million miniSatoshis or whatever name you want to give it. And in fact, this is something that is already done with LN because millisats are used.

Problem solved.
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
I am inclined to think that Satoshi (being it one person or a collective) did not think about the situation where BTC and crypto are at this point in time. Not that he couldn't have conceived it, but he might not think BTC should reach that point and thus never put much thought into it. Crypto is definitely pushing its boundaries further and constant changes to it should be made to meet the demands of its expansion. 
Thank you very much. If Bitcoin's economic system doesn't take into account the high loss rate, then as you said, some changes may need to be made.
If the loss rate is too high, it may affect the circulation of Bitcoin. No one is willing to let others take away the wealth they have created.
full member
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I am inclined to think that Satoshi (being it one person or a collective) did not think about the situation where BTC and crypto are at this point in time. Not that he couldn't have conceived it, but he might not think BTC should reach that point and thus never put much thought into it. Crypto is definitely pushing its boundaries further and constant changes to it should be made to meet the demands of its expansion. 
newbie
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Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more.  Think of it as a donation to everyone.
^ This is what Satoshi Nakamoto thought about coins being lost or burned.

I know this,did he say anything else.
worth slightly more is not bad.
the worry is that the loss rate is too high.
According to the data I know now, the bitcoins owned by bitcoin addresses that have not been moved for more than 5 years already account for 23% of the total.
newbie
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After reading the Bitcoin white paper, there is a very big confusion, whether Satoshi Nakamoto considered the problem of the high loss rate of Bitcoin when designing Bitcoin.
In the future, if the natural loss rate of the Bitcoin network is 1%-2% per year, it is not a big problem, which is equivalent to 1%-2% interest for depositors. If the loss rate reaches more than 5% per year, will it seriously affect the circulation of Bitcoin. If Bitcoin is used as a common currency, it is equivalent to hard-working people, and the new value they create every year will all be taken away by the people who deposit the currency.
After this happens, the circulation of Bitcoin will be greatly restricted.As an expert in cryptography, it may be difficult for Satoshi Nakamoto to imagine that ordinary people have a high rate of losing coins, so in the economic model, there are only 21 million bitcoins.
If Bitcoin is only used as a store of value like gold, rather than as a universal currency like the US dollar, then its market value and imagination will be greatly reduced.
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