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How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.


Why IOC made apology about their decision on 1936 berlin Olympic game in 1954?

this could be the answer to your argument above.

thanks

I'm still waiting for an apology for Los Angeles olympic games less than 10 years after Viet Nam. I'm also waiting for an apology for the olympic games in Moscow after that country invaded Afghanistan. I'm waiting even more for an apology for the olympic games in London after the bloody Brits' massacres in Ireland and in the Falklands....

sometimes waiting is actoion,

sometimes waiting is bullshit,

how do you evaluate your waiting?

Well, actually, I'm not waiting much. I ignore everything related to the olympic games. I found out about China willing to host the next olympic games on this board, I knew nothing about it. My idea is that the apology regarding the games in Munich haven't changed anything. An apology for one is nothing if you don't make an apology for the others. Since they won't, the best thing to do is to boycott the whole olympic circus.
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Hi msc_de
I appreciate your actions for human rights in your country  Smiley
But seems Olympic committee wont take this issue as the reason to prevent Beijing as host winter olympics, since the only thing they really care is profit.


time tells everything, we will see ...
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How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.


Why IOC made apology about their decision on 1936 berlin Olympic game in 1954?

this could be the answer to your argument above.

thanks

I'm still waiting for an apology for Los Angeles olympic games less than 10 years after Viet Nam. I'm also waiting for an apology for the olympic games in Moscow after that country invaded Afghanistan. I'm waiting even more for an apology for the olympic games in London after the bloody Brits' massacres in Ireland and in the Falklands....

sometimes waiting is actoion,

sometimes waiting is bullshit,

how do you evaluate your waiting?
legendary
Activity: 3066
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Your country may be your worst enemy
How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.


Why IOC made apology about their decision on 1936 berlin Olympic game in 1954?

this could be the answer to your argument above.

thanks

I'm still waiting for an apology for Los Angeles olympic games less than 10 years after Viet Nam. I'm also waiting for an apology for the olympic games in Moscow after that country invaded Afghanistan. I'm waiting even more for an apology for the olympic games in London after the bloody Brits' massacres in Ireland and in the Falklands....
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Hi msc_de
I appreciate your actions for human rights in your country  Smiley
But seems Olympic committee wont take this issue as the reason to prevent Beijing as host winter olympics, since the only thing they really care is profit.
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Personally, I don't see any reason why Beijing should not be allowed to host the Winter Olympics. China is representative of the human race the same way the US or any other country is.
And I don't think the China-Tibet conflict should be brought into this.

Most Tibetans are Buddhists and Buddhism is arguably humanity's most accommodating religion. There are very important parallels to be drawn between the China-Tibet and human-earth clashes, the lessons learned or not learned from this conflict will shape the coming era.


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Who will host the winter games next year?

Maybe South Africa or some subsaarian country?

(not even taking politics in consideration yet)

The next winter olympics is in 2018, South Korea.

@msc_de, this is very interesting, I love the graphics. What do you want us to do? If we believe in your cause, how can we get the word out? How can we express our voice or frustration or moral dedication or all of the above?

It's SO funny that Kazakhstan was the only other final candidate and the Beijing only won by 4 votes. And it SUCKS that Kazakhstan lost out by only 4 votes, seriously. Have any of you seen pictures of the proposed ski hill? It's like a dessert mountain! There's no snow on it and there's never any snow on it, what a waste.

There is a great article about the cost of the Olympics is going to leave us with increasingly fewer candidates.



legendary
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Personally, I don't see any reason why Beijing should not be allowed to host the Winter Olympics. China is representative of the human race the same way the US or any other country is.
And I don't think the China-Tibet conflict should be brought into this.

Most Tibetans are Buddhists and Buddhism is arguably humanity's most accommodating religion. There are very important parallels to be drawn between the China-Tibet and human-earth clashes, the lessons learned or not learned from this conflict will shape the coming era.
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Who will host the winter games next year?

Maybe South Africa or some subsaarian country?

(not even taking politics in consideration yet)

The next winter olympics is in 2018, South Korea.

@msc_de, this is very interesting, I love the graphics. What do you want us to do? If we believe in your cause, how can we get the word out? How can we express our voice or frustration or moral dedication or all of the above?

It's SO funny that Kazakhstan was the only other final candidate and the Beijing only won by 4 votes. And it SUCKS that Kazakhstan lost out by only 4 votes, seriously. Have any of you seen pictures of the proposed ski hill? It's like a dessert mountain! There's no snow on it and there's never any snow on it, what a waste.

There is a great article about the cost of the Olympics is going to leave us with increasingly fewer candidates.
legendary
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Who will host the winter games next year?

Maybe South Africa or some subsaarian country?

(not even taking politics in consideration yet)
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How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.


the difference is not on country but on political system.

autocratic government usually make use of Olympic games as propaganda such as hitler's germany, USSR and Red China.
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How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.


Why IOC made apology about their decision on 1936 berlin Olympic game in 1954?

this could be the answer to your argument above.

thanks
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
How can you say no to the whole thing: Olympic games?
China's an awful country, but it's no different than Russia, the USA, the UK or Zimbabwe. I like sports but sports is being polluted by nationalism. The Olympic games are like a world war, only without blood.
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Nazi Germany Olympic Game in 1936


IOC made apology about it in 1954.
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Beijing Wins Bid to Host 2022 Winter Olympics in Spite of Warnings on Human Rights
2015-07-31 

Beijing on Friday won its U.S.$1.5 billion bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics in spite of widespread warnings from the country’s human rights activists and ethnic minorities of a worsening climate for human rights and the likelihood of more abuses to come.

IOC President Thomas Bach made the announcement at a ceremony in Kuala Lumpur after the IOC voted on presentations by Beijing, which will likely rely on man-made snow for the event, and Kazakhstan's former capital, Almaty.

Beijing received 44 votes to Almaty’s 40, making it the first city to hold both a Winter and a Summer Games, the IOC said in a statement on its website shortly after the vote.

Beijing’s presentation to the IOC on Friday showed a slick time-lapse montages of busy cities, Chinese medalists winning at the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi, as well as a snow-covered Forbidden City, Summer Palace and Great Wall, in an apparent bid to ward off criticism that the country has no serious snow suitable for winter sports.

Almaty’s bid, meanwhile, focused on the widespread popular enjoyment of winter sports among ordinary people, showing men, women and children checking out ski equipment and enjoying winter sports amid thick blankets of snow.

While IOC Vice President Yu Zaiqing said the bid represented “the Chinese people’s passion” for the Winter Olympics, the Chinese delegation included some of their most successful medalists from previous Olympics and World Championships, all of whom were handpicked and fast-tracked by a state-backed training regime that critics say has little to do with public involvement in sport.



'Slap in the face'

The decision comes after international rights groups, activists in China and ethnic minority groups representing Tibetans and mostly Muslim Uyghurs, made repeated appeals to the IOC not to award China the Games, citing a slew of repressive measures surrounding the 2008 Summer Games in Beijing.

“[The] awarding of the 2022 Olympics to China is a slap in the face to China’s besieged human rights activists,” Sophie Richardson, China director for the New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), tweeted in reaction to Friday's announcement.

“In choosing China, the IOC just failed the first test of its own new human rights commitments,” Richardson told RFA in written comments by private message.

“Discrimination, labor abuses, ever expanding restrictions on the freedom of expression, China has it all,” she said.

Even before the decision was announced, there were signs that the authorities are beginning to search out those who speak out against the Games for questioning and intimidation.

Beijing-based rights activist Du Yanlin was among 40 Chinese activists who signed an open letter opposing the Winter Games, an act which in itself put him at risk of official harassment and retaliation.

“The police showed me the documents related to the petition, and asked me what it was,” Du told RFA in an interview ahead of the IOC vote. “They said that their leaders were furious when they saw it, because I’m still out on bail.”

“They said there weren’t many people in China [who dared to oppose the Games] and that I was the worst, even worse than [Beijing rights activist] Hu Jia.”

Hu, who has also spoken out against China’s hosting of the 2022 Winter Olympics, served a three-and-a-half-year jail term for "incitement to subversion" after he wrote online articles critical of Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Summer Games.

Du said he is now under police surveillance, including of his mobile phone and social media accounts.

“China’s human rights situation has got worse and worse since the [last] Olympics,” he said.

“For China to host an Olympic Games is a humiliation for the Olympic spirit.”



Bracing for arrest

HRW spokeswoman Minky Worden said in a video statement that Beijing’s winning bid comes amid “the worst crackdown on human rights in China in more than two decades.”

“Ahead of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing, HRW documented forced evictions without compensation, migrant labor abuses building stadiums like the Bird’s Nest, crushing of civil society and arrests of activists, and journalists being threatened and intimidated,” she said.

A HRW report on the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics cited a number of human rights concerns linked to the event, including the eviction of local residents without compensation, the destruction of drinking wells, and the exploitation of migrant workers.

Activists and journalists who sought to criticize or document Olympics-related abuse faced pressure, harassment, and in some cases, arrest and prosecution, it said.

Germany based journalist Su Yutong said she was “extremely disappointed, even angry” at the result.

“Everyone knows that we are in the middle of an extremely serious human rights crackdown that is unprecedented internationally,” Su said. “Hundreds of rights lawyers have been detained, called for questioning, terrorized and threatened.”

“Actually there should have been a lot of lessons learned from the 2008 Olympics … and we are naturally disappointed that the IOC can’t see that,” she said.

According to Hubei-based rights activist Hu Junxiong, the entire bid is about boosting the prestige of the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

“They are doing it for their own prestige, and they hope to achieve international recognition by doing this sort of thing,” Hu Junxiong said. “They want to be able to say that the whole world has given us the Olympics to host, and that means China is respected, and that its government is legitimate.”

Beijing said it aims to use the Games to accelerate the development of a new sport, culture and tourism area, and to encourage interest in winter sports in a region that is home to more than 300 million people in northern China.

“Thanks to an additional contribution from the IOC of approximately 880 million US dollars to support the staging of the Olympic Winter Games in 2022, Beijing is confident that it will either break even or make a profit,” the IOC statement said.

The newly published host city contract for the 2022 Winter Olympics, signed by Chinese officials shortly after the announcement, makes dozens of mentions of the word “rights,” but in the context of commercial rights such as broadcasting or intellectual property.

Back in China, Hu Junxiong said he has made mental preparation to be targeted by police as a direct result of his public opposition to the Games.

“I’m not afraid. If they want to arrest me, they'll arrest me,” he said. “I wanted to say this because I think it’s the right thing to do.”

Reported by Wen Yuqing and Wong Si-lam for RFA’s Cantonese Service, and by Yang Fan for the Mandarin Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.
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Activists Urge Committee to Reject Beijing’s Bid for 2022 Winter Olympics
    
BY: Daniel Wiser     
July 29, 2015 5:00 am

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/activists-urge-committee-to-reject-beijings-bid-for-2022-winter-olympics/

Prominent Chinese activists are urging the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to reject Beijing’s bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics amid what rights groups say is an unprecedented crackdown on dissidents.

The IOC will vote on Friday to select the host for the 2022 Winter Games. The competition has come down to two finalists: Beijing or Almaty, Kazakhstan. Beijing is regarded as the favorite due to China’s growing international clout.

However, activists say the Chinese government has not improved its record on human rights since 2008, when Beijing hosted the Summer Games. In fact, the Communist Party’s actions have appreciably worsened, they say. Hundreds of human rights lawyers and advocates have been detained or interrogated in the past few weeks, part of a suspected effort by the party to crush incipient forms of civil society that oppose the government.

A group of Chinese activists, including prominent dissidents Chen Guangcheng and Hu Jia, wrote a letter to Thomas Bach, the IOC’s president, on Friday and called on him and the committee to boycott Beijing’s candidacy.

Rewarding China with the Winter Games while it continues to repress its own people, they said, would violate the Olympic Charter’s pledge of “promoting a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity.”

“If the International Olympic Committee awards Beijing the 2022 Winter Olympics, a great event intended to promote solidarity, brotherhood and human development will once again serve a corrupt dictatorship,” the activists wrote. “It will endorse a government that blatantly violates human rights.”

During the 2008 Summer Games in Beijing, the party reportedly evicted more than 1 million people to clear space for construction and arrested dozens of activists who sought to protest the event.

Some athletes who were dissidents were banned from participating in the games. Fang Zheng, a record-holding discus thrower in China, was barred from competing in the 2008 Paralympics because a tank crushed his legs during the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989—a violent government crackdown on student demonstrators that the party has attempted to keep out of public discussion.

Liu Xiaobo, a prominent Chinese activist and Nobel Laureate, was detained just months after the conclusion of the Summer Games in 2008. He is currently serving an 11-year prison sentence on charges of “subversion” that critics say are politically motivated.

“The 2008 Summer Olympics made a mockery of the fine principles that the Olympics stands for, and brought more humiliation than dignity and more sadness than joy to the people in China,” the activists wrote in the letter.

Additionally, about 300 activists were detained or harassed during last summer’s Youth Olympic Games in Nanjing.

The United States has previously boycotted Olympics events in authoritarian countries, such as the 1980 Games in Moscow. That year’s Olympics followed the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan.

A State Department spokesperson declined to comment on the campaign to reject Beijing’s bid for the 2022 Games. A spokesperson for the Chinese embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.

Activists have become increasingly concerned about an escalation in repression under President Xi Jinping, who is widely regarded as the most authoritarian Chinese leader since Mao Zedong. According to the group Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD), nearly 2,000 human rights advocates have been arbitrarily detained since Xi rose to power in 2013. In the latest crackdown on lawyers, 29 are being held in secret facilities or have effectively disappeared, CHRD says.

Beijing passed a new national security law at the beginning of this month that has enabled police to curtail dissent and jail activists, critics say. There is also draft legislation for other measures regarding Internet security, counterterrorism, and foreign non-government organizations (NGOs) that could soon lead to more detentions.

The controversy surrounding Beijing’s Winter Olympics bid comes amid heightened scrutiny of international sporting events in authoritarian countries. Russia, which hosted the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi and will host the 2018 World Cup, was accused of massive corruption after the completion of construction projects for the 2014 event. Both Russia and Qatar, which is set to host the 2022 World Cup, could lose the marquee soccer events if an investigation proves that the nations bribed FIFA officials.

Beijing also might have a more climatic problem with hosting a Winter Games—a lack of mountains and snow. Chinese officials say events such as skiing would be held in more mountainous cities about 100 miles northwest of Beijing. Water sources will also be present to produce artificial snow, officials say, despite persistent water shortages in the region.

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Beijing 'Unfit' to Stage 2022 Olympics:  Ethnic Minority Groups
2015-07-28 



Chinese human rights lawyers Teng Biao calls in a tweet for Beijing to be denied the 2022 Winter Games.
Photo courtesy of Teng Biao's Twitter account


Ethnic minority groups are calling on the International Olympic Committee not to award the 2022 Winter Games to Beijing, saying that China’s rights record actually worsened as a result of the 2008 Summer Games hosted by Beijing.

Beijing, which will go head-to-head with Kazakhstan's capital Almaty in a July 31 vote for the right to host the Winter Games, didn’t just fail to deliver on the promises it made during the earlier bid, but brought in a new round of oppressive policies directly linked to the 2008 Games, activists told RFA.

Ethnic minority groups like Tibetans and the mostly Muslim Turkic-speaking Uyghur group were singled out in particular as Beijing sought to ensure that nobody used the Olympics as a platform to highlight human rights abuses, they said.

“China never keeps its promises to the international community, and for China to host another Olympics would boost [Chinese] nationalism,” Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exile group World Uyghur Congress, said in a recent interview.

“Ethnic minorities won’t see the slightest improvement in their basic living conditions, and yet they’ll have to put up with even greater political persecution,” Raxit said.

He said it would be against the Olympic spirit to give the Winter Games to China, given that it has no track record of improvement in its policies towards ethnic minorities.

“China made promises during its bid to host the 2008 Games, but the opposite happened, and the human rights situation got much worse in the aftermath,” Raxit said.

“Far from bringing the changes expected by the international community, [Beijing] brought in a raft of oppressive policies instead,” he said.

London-based Free Tibet, one of the Tibetan groups coordinating an international campaign against awarding the 2022 Winter Olympics to Beijing, has similar views.

'Minority voices'

Dorothy Hui, Hong Kong-based spokeswoman for the group, said awarding the Games to China will inevitably mean that already oppressed ethnic minority groups like Tibetans will face greater persecution, as the ruling Chinese Communist Party sends its nationwide “stability maintenance” security regime into overdrive ahead of the event.

“There was a lot of persecution [of ethnic minorities] surrounding the bid for the 2008 Summer Games, because the government was afraid that foreigners would get to hear the voices of ethnic minorities,” Hui told RFA. 

“They were afraid the foreigners would find out their true situation.”

She added: “There is likely to be yet another round of persecution [of Tibetans] linked to the current Olympic bid.”

She said widespread and serious pollution is also a major argument against sending the Winter Games to China, a country with no tradition of winter sports and not much of the right kind of snow.

“Every time China hosts the Olympics, there is a lot of economic development, and there is a huge amount of environmental degradation in China now,” Hui said, adding, “China doesn’t have the right conditions to apply to host the Olympics.”

“For a country to host the Games, it should have a strong sporting tradition, but this isn’t very strong in China at all,” she said.

A politicized Games?

China’s foreign ministry said in a statement on Tuesday that the bid is intended to promote the Olympics in the country and would inspire more than 300 million Chinese to participate in winter sports.

“While Chinese people are heartily looking forward to the holding of a successful and wonderful Winter Olympics, a few people with ulterior motives politicize the Games, which is not in keeping with the Olympic Spirit and will not be popular,” the statement said.

Last week, filmmaker and escaped Tibetan activist Golog Jigme signed a campaign letter to the IOC, urging the IOC not to award the Games to China.

Golog Jigme escaped in May 2014 after being detained for working on a documentary about the treatment of Tibetan nomads under Beijing’s rule.

"What we have seen since 2008 is that there is more repression, Tibetan intellectuals are being forcefully disappeared and the situation in Tibet is getting more urgent every day," he told the Associated Press.

Following a series of region-wide uprisings in March 2008, Tibetans have faced effective martial law, with security forces and government officials resident in monasteries and schools, and tight restrictions on their freedom of movement, even in rural areas.

The ruling Chinese Communist Party has governed Tibet since its People’s Liberation Army (PLA) occupied the Himalayan region in 1950.

Clampdown, arrests

China's government is also in the middle of a mass arrest of human rights lawyers and activists, as well as a clampdown on nongovernmental organisations (NGOs) and further restrictions on freedom of expression online, sparking objections to the Olympic bid from rights groups across the country.

The overseas-based Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) group, which collates and translates reports from rights groups and informants inside China, said Beijing’s promises on human rights now lack any credibility.

“China’s abysmal human rights conditions … have rapidly degenerated since the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics,” the group said in an open letter to the IOC posted on its website.

“These problems are especially evident in the government’s escalating crackdown on anti-discrimination and labor rights NGOs, on human rights defenders including lawyers, and often in deadly discriminatory suppression in the ethnic Tibetan and Uighur regions,” it said.

“Beijing has no credibility in matters of keeping its promises and playing by the rules, [and] is clearly unfit to stage the Winter Olympics,” CHRD said.

The group said it had documented serious human rights violations directly resulting from preparations for the 2008 Games, citing illegal labor practices, forced evictions, tight control of the media, and the silencing of dissident voices.

'A military parade'

Beijing-based rights activist Hu Jia, who served a three-and-a-half-year jail term for "incitement to subversion" after he wrote online articles critical of Beijing's hosting of the 2008 Summer Olympics, hit out at official propaganda surrounding the bid that portrays it as an effort on behalf of the Chinese people.

“Is the Olympic Games really an Olympic movement on behalf of the people? In reality, the people who are doing the best job of politicizing the Olympics are the Communist Party themselves,” he said.

“This is more like a red terror, a military parade, and it won’t have any impact on the uptake of sporting activity by the general public,” he said.

CHRD added that police had also restricted the movements of at least 300 activists and petitioners during the 2014 Youth Summer Games in Nanjing, by placing them under house arrest, forcing them to “travel,” holding individuals in “black jails,” and subjecting many to police interrogation.

Reported by He Ping and Xin Lin for RFA’s Mandarin Service, and by Wong Si-lam by the Cantonese Service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.
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