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hero member
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mining doesn't influences the highest price. but influences the lowest, because under an x price the mining costs more than the mined coins.
sr. member
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well despite the mining cost to mine for bitcoin.

arent the miners needed regardless if they mine for bitcoins or not, since bitcoins rely on miners to find the transaction log?
yeah if no one would mine there would be no new blocks found and people would not be able to use bitcoins, though its kinda impossible right now as a lot of people invested in mining equipment and they wouldnt quit
legendary
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It is good to know that the costs of mining decrease if the price decrease which is vice versa of what we think.

Only if people start shutting down miners because the price of bitcoin is too less. As long as their marginal costs are covered, they will continue to mine.

This is only the effect of disinvestment, and does not change the basic rule.
sr. member
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well despite the mining cost to mine for bitcoin.

arent the miners needed regardless if they mine for bitcoins or not, since bitcoins rely on miners to find the transaction log?
legendary
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It is good to know that the costs of mining decrease if the price decrease which is vice versa of what we think.

Only if people start shutting down miners because the price of bitcoin is too less. As long as their marginal costs are covered, they will continue to mine.
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It is good to know that the costs of mining decrease if the price decrease which is vice versa of what we think.
legendary
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.


it is the reason why someone should buy when the price is not being pumped and mine when it is pumped only, to take advantage of the diff that can't catch up the price so fast, then you can shut down your miners if electricity isn't good enough or sell it if you want...

In general, it is the speculation of future value. Taking into account exceptional situations, where other currencies fail, can not be moved, can be confiscated and so on, is included in my personal valuation.

If you can profit on the ups and downs; good for you, and good for the stability of the value. It applies both to mining decisions and trading decisions.
legendary
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.


it is the reason why someone should buy when the price is not being pumped and mine when it is pumped only, to take advantage of the diff that can't catch up the price so fast, then you can shut down your miners if electricity isn't good enough or sell it if you want...
legendary
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.

So the direction is vice versa of what people including me think

Many people get this wrong. Do you think majority makes it right?

I am thinking most of the people think wrong about it and it iscomplicated

The same rule goes for all things in the market, however harder to understand, like cars and bread and whatnot. The consumers value it, and the cost in the free market adjusts to price. But for bitcoin, it is rather straightforward, because you have the difficulty that adjusts.

Note that it is the market that does the cost adjustment. If there is no freedom in the market, the cost will not adjust, this is also the reason for the loss of productivity in socialism.
hero member
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.

So the direction is vice versa of what people including me think

Many people get this wrong. Do you think majority makes it right?

I am thinking most of the people think wrong about it and it iscomplicated
legendary
Activity: 1512
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.

So the direction is vice versa of what people including me think

Many people get this wrong. Do you think majority makes it right?
full member
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your question is very vague. please specify what you mean by "mining prices".
However, mining cost shouldn't affect bitcoins since people involved in buying and selling of bitcoins aren't necessarily miners.
hero member
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.

So the direction is vice versa of what people including me think
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1005
When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley


Correct. Higher price means more expenditure on mining. Note the direction of the causality.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1005
mining gets harder in price for THs mining BTC and price of BTC gets lower too sometimes soo the mining will become a bit more rare but the other part of coin its true more miners more coins and a bit more devaluated coin too less rarity


more miners does NOT equal more coins, that is the whole point. More miners only equals more difficulty.
But does nt the chance of finding more coins increase?

No. The difficulty increases. The coin creation (finding) is essentially predetermined.
sr. member
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When the price of Bitcoins is higher, people are more likely to mine, especially people whose costs are close to their expected proceeds.
As the demand of bitcoin increase, mining prices also increase as it include hardware to purchase,supply of electricity (countinous flow of power)etc.
because of blockchain as it has to countinous update in transaction. Sad
as with decrease in demand of bitcoin ,mining price may effect as they have to overcome with their regular charges. Smiley
hero member
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mining gets harder in price for THs mining BTC and price of BTC gets lower too sometimes soo the mining will become a bit more rare but the other part of coin its true more miners more coins and a bit more devaluated coin too less rarity


more miners does NOT equal more coins, that is the whole point. More miners only equals more difficulty.
But does nt the chance of finding more coins increase?
sr. member
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mining gets harder in price for THs mining BTC and price of BTC gets lower too sometimes soo the mining will become a bit more rare but the other part of coin its true more miners more coins and a bit more devaluated coin too less rarity


more miners does NOT equal more coins, that is the whole point. More miners only equals more difficulty.
sr. member
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mining gets harder in price for THs mining BTC and price of BTC gets lower too sometimes soo the mining will become a bit more rare but the other part of coin its true more miners more coins and a bit more devaluated coin too less rarity
sr. member
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Price totally gets affected of mining. There was one research made by Adam Hayes, i was listening on one of Bitcointalk podcast.

I just went to check and saw he posted all here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=2372041

He is mistaken. Anybody can write a flawed paper.

There is no mechanism by which the cost of mining drives the price of bitcoin. Mostly people that believe that just confuse correlation with causation, and make bad assumptions.


Yeah anyone can, shit look at the us dollar for example.

The price is based on new blood, new volume of buyers at a rapid pace using it daily. Or else I dont see any value going up imo.
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