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June 07, 2017, 08:19:55 AM
#29
Been keeping a close watch on this and it seems it's nothing going to end soon. Duterte has said he'll get communists and Islamist groups to help, much to the chagrin of everyone here. The communists has been infamous for violating ceasefires and the particular Islamist group Duterte was talking with has razed a city before... just like what is happening now.

There is really no other solution. Christian missionaires could risk it and convert some locals away from Islam - but it could backlash, hard to tell.

You don't need to convert them to any other religion. Just bring modern education to these people. Once they are educated, and they are able to understand the hypocrisy of the verses which are written in their own holy book, they will start rethinking about their blind allegiance to the faith.

I don't think education is enough. Just look at those homegrown terrorists the have in Europe. The ideal is to ban religious schools. I have seen undercover videos of madrasas in Europe. They were sickening. I suppose they might be worse here in the Philippines where there are no inspections whatsoever. If they really want religious schools, then it should be for people 2-5 years above the legal age. That way, no one, of whatever religion, poisons the minds of children with intolerance.
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June 07, 2017, 06:33:37 AM
#28
Definitely not Islam (of headshots). I believe Islam (of headshots) is religion full of war and violence.
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June 07, 2017, 06:26:25 AM
#27
Apparently, these people are so helpful, they decided to relieve the church of things to clean....

https://www.facebook.com/dutertekamiph/posts/1428121793892535

The guys that are doing this are really crazy bastards who don't see themselves answerable to anyone. They can do this to christian churches or islamic mosques for all they care as long as it sows terror and fear among people. It's been done quite a number of times already by these extremists to mock people from other religion
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June 06, 2017, 11:37:54 PM
#26
There is really no other solution. Christian missionaires could risk it and convert some locals away from Islam - but it could backlash, hard to tell.

You don't need to convert them to any other religion. Just bring modern education to these people. Once they are educated, and they are able to understand the hypocrisy of the verses which are written in their own holy book, they will start rethinking about their blind allegiance to the faith.
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June 06, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
#25
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Destroying places of worship is abominable act in christianity, judaism and among moderate muslims.....
When the "moderate muslims" rebuild that church, please let us know.

Who is "us"? You? If you are believer, why dont you help yourself?

Muslim Kurds are beating back ISIS taking Raqqa as we speak next to christian Assyrians, while you are beating off behind your computer.

It's going to be a hard thing to stop, it's just that they have no respect for other religions anymore and that's what they firmly believe. Knowing that they have the money, guns, and other things that are illegal, they could've gotten it from the ISIS. They probably assisted them with their firearms and probably helped them do it and probably trained them (if they are like that). It's a matter of time that the military would regain back it's peace in Marawi.

I have no doubt that the army will seize control of Marawi. But what after that? There are a lot of Muslim majority areas in the Philippines, especially in the island of Mindanao. If one rebellion is suppressed, then another one is going to breakout. The government should be looking at a permanent solution, rather than temporary patch-ups.

Government needs to take control of the money flow - same problem with drug cartels. As long as petrodollars of wahabbi from Arab gulf states will flow to the country, there will be enough radicals to pick up where somebody else left off.

There is really no other solution. Christian missionaires could risk it and convert some locals away from Islam - but it could backlash, hard to tell. Secular state terror doesnt really work, chinese and soviet communists left millions dead and thousands places of worship destroyed, yet they merely kept believers silent for several generations.
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June 06, 2017, 11:32:44 AM
#24
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Destroying places of worship is abominable act in christianity, judaism and among moderate muslims.....
When the "moderate muslims" rebuild that church, please let us know.
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June 06, 2017, 10:51:51 AM
#23
ISIS branches are salafi totalitarian sect, they are not muslims.
Thanks,  but we'll just continue to consider them as the muslims they say they are.

You're welcome to go erase them then there won't be an issue as to what they are, but until then, Islam owns them.

Or perhaps you should educate yourself. Do know who is fighting ISIS on the ground? Hint: Its not secular westerners.



It is true, that ISIS is based around literal interpretation of some verses of Quran (while it ignores others), it is not true, that it represents muslims as whole. Otherwise, they wouldnt fight it, would they?

I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

Christians and Roman Catholics are the same.

Its part of the rituals of the extremist. You gotta see what they believed in because they justify all these by the writings of their scriptures. Its even written in the Christian bibles too that Idolatry is abomination. Creating images to liken it to God is abomination to Christians and to Muslims.

Did you ever read the bible or are you reffering to what communists believe is written in bible? Indeed, God himself is not shown in either scripture or churches as it would clash with basic idea, that he is omnipresent and omnipotent. However, images of his Son and other saints are common.

Destroying places of worship is abominable act in christianity, judaism and among moderate muslims.

I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

If they are able to do that, then it tells us that something is wrong with the non-Muslim religions, right? Islamists are conducting attacks against non-Muslims even in countries where they are only around 5% of the population. Can you even imagine a similar attack against a mosque in a country, where 95% of the population is Muslim?

That is true. Perhaps, though, the problem here is not with muslims, who defend their places of worship, but with us, "secularized" people, who are unwilling to defend even the basic pillars that shape our culture. Just a couple of generations ago, direct attack on church building would be unthinkable. People, who hate christians see tolerance as a weakness.
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June 06, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
#22
Apparently, these people are so helpful, they decided to relieve the church of things to clean....

https://www.facebook.com/dutertekamiph/posts/1428121793892535

I do not know why these people are like that, they do mot have any sense of being a human.  They wanted the ISIS terrorist to acknowledge them as overseas members.  Thay are incontrol and they are bunch of lunatics.  They do not have any respect at all.  Let say in their religion, images are prohibited, but should they be respectful?  We have different believes after all.  And we have one God that is watching us.  Sad that these people are not nice, the government should kill all these terrorist before they recruit more people.
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June 06, 2017, 01:37:19 AM
#21
I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

Christians and Roman Catholics are the same.

Its part of the rituals of the extremist. You gotta see what they believed in because they justify all these by the writings of their scriptures. Its even written in the Christian bibles too that Idolatry is abomination. Creating images to liken it to God is abomination to Christians and to Muslims.





Did you just tried to justify their actions? Don't you know that both Orthodox and Catholic Christians still use religious images? This issue about images has long been resolved during Byzantine times with the aftermath of the Iconoclastic civil war.

What these people did is out of hate for Christians. If it just really is about the images, they wouldn't have burned down the church after this.

All I can say is that if you are a Roman Catholic devotee, then you will get offended by what these people are doing. On the other hand, for non-catholic Christian denomination, these statues mean nothing, because of the fact that they don't worship these statues.

I'm quite ambivalent about images but I still find this disturbing, given that I live in the country. As the corny cliche goes, "it's the thought that counts". They did this out of spite, out of hate for every everything that is not their religion. This reminds me of the church attacks in Indonesia years ago.

I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

LOL, I've even seen several videos of Muslim mobs attacking Christmas trees in different places in Europe. These people are crazy af.
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June 05, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
#20
It's going to be a hard thing to stop, it's just that they have no respect for other religions anymore and that's what they firmly believe. Knowing that they have the money, guns, and other things that are illegal, they could've gotten it from the ISIS. They probably assisted them with their firearms and probably helped them do it and probably trained them (if they are like that). It's a matter of time that the military would regain back it's peace in Marawi.

I have no doubt that the army will seize control of Marawi. But what after that? There are a lot of Muslim majority areas in the Philippines, especially in the island of Mindanao. If one rebellion is suppressed, then another one is going to breakout. The government should be looking at a permanent solution, rather than temporary patch-ups.
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June 05, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
#19
All I can say is that if you are a Roman Catholic devotee, then you will get offended by what these people are doing. On the other hand, for non-catholic Christian denomination, these statues mean nothing, because of the fact that they don't worship these statues.
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June 05, 2017, 10:21:34 PM
#18
I guess the biggest audacity here is actually worshipping figurine's that the people view as gods when they're not really gods they're simple statues made in stone or wood, because of this so called religions people became so blind in what is right and wrong they are willing to worship anything as long as their corrupted priest or pedophile priest tell them that it is all right to worship these figurine while these so called priest's sits on the pile of cash donated by their solid followers of their corrupted organized religion.
This people idiotic people who prioritize their religion more than humanity are simply what we called puppets unable to think if the religion their worshipping is really right and legit. Religions are just big fat scams.
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June 05, 2017, 10:18:06 PM
#17
It's going to be a hard thing to stop, it's just that they have no respect for other religions anymore and that's what they firmly believe. Knowing that they have the money, guns, and other things that are illegal, they could've gotten it from the ISIS. They probably assisted them with their firearms and probably helped them do it and probably trained them (if they are like that). It's a matter of time that the military would regain back it's peace in Marawi.
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June 05, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
#16
I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

If they are able to do that, then it tells us that something is wrong with the non-Muslim religions, right? Islamists are conducting attacks against non-Muslims even in countries where they are only around 5% of the population. Can you even imagine a similar attack against a mosque in a country, where 95% of the population is Muslim?
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June 05, 2017, 02:50:17 PM
#15
ISIS branches are salafi totalitarian sect, they are not muslims.

If they are not muslims, then what are they, Most muslim clerics support what they are doing as long as they are doing it to the western world. They are clearly muslims and are as violent as the Quran tell them to be. They should prove otherwise by their actions.
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June 05, 2017, 02:03:20 PM
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this Imam

This dude is not Imam, he is a jerk.
Check in e Australian National Imams Council or its South Australian equivalent.
http://www.anic.org.au/find-your-local-imam/

Why is he a jerk? Because he exposes some disgusting facts about his own religion?

He is surely hated by the majority parcel of muslims, and that is a good proof about how hard is to be moderate in Islam religion, you don't win positive points by delating terrorists to authorities in this religion, but by hiding and keeping them.

If he isn't officially considerated an Imam doesn't mean he isn't one. There are many internal conflits among themselves. I just thought interesting to see this Imam saying something different and daring, different from the same bla bla bla the other muslims and Imans always say after an attack.

As he isn't on that site, here is his: http://www.tawhidi.com/?page_id=2503
All that we westerners need to know about this dude is in this statement from your link:

Imam Tawhidi considers all those listed in the list of terrorist organizations as terrorists. He also encourages Muslim men and women to join the police force and to stand and speak up against acts of violence committed in the name of Islam.
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June 05, 2017, 01:59:36 PM
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this Imam

This dude is not Imam, he is a jerk.
Check in e Australian National Imams Council or its South Australian equivalent.
http://www.anic.org.au/find-your-local-imam/

Why is he a jerk? Because he exposes some disgusting facts about his own religion?

He is surely hated by the majority parcel of muslims, and that is a good proof about how hard is to be moderate in Islam religion, you don't win positive points by delating terrorists to authorities in this religion, but by hiding and keeping them.

If he isn't officially considerated an Imam doesn't mean he isn't one. There are many internal conflits among themselves. I just thought interesting to see this Imam saying something different and daring, different from the same bla bla bla the other muslims and Imans always say after an attack.

As he isn't on that site, here is his: http://www.tawhidi.com/?page_id=2503
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June 05, 2017, 01:58:28 PM
#12
ISIS branches are salafi totalitarian sect, they are not muslims.
Thanks,  but we'll just continue to consider them as the muslims they say they are.

You're welcome to go erase them then there won't be an issue as to what they are, but until then, Islam owns them.
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June 05, 2017, 01:36:41 PM
#11
this Imam

This dude is not Imam, he is a jerk.
Check in e Australian National Imams Council or its South Australian equivalent.
http://www.anic.org.au/find-your-local-imam/
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June 05, 2017, 01:24:16 PM
#10
I have seen this video yesterday. These thieves burned the church after destroying everything inside it.

It's a big audacity to impose the "religion of peace" radicalism in a country where more than 90% of the population are christians.

Philipines must not accept this kind of practice that already became common in Europe.

Christians and Roman Catholics are the same.

Its part of the rituals of the extremist. You gotta see what they believed in because they justify all these by the writings of their scriptures. Its even written in the Christian bibles too that Idolatry is abomination. Creating images to liken it to God is abomination to Christians and to Muslims.


It's not the same these days. Catholics and Protestants don't enter other's temples, churchs to burn and destroy it. Who is doing it are the muslims. You can think idolatry to images is abomination, but it doesn't give you the right to kill people who thinks the opposite or to destroy their places.

ISIS branches are salafi totalitarian sect, they are not muslims.

That's true. That is why we call them extremist. They exaggerate all those written in the scriptures to justify their wrong doings. While real Muslims don't pray over to any idols, extremist destroys idols including the houses of Idols.

The news says their leaders already have bounties for their heads. Not in BTC though.

Is there any moderate muslim? Maybe so... But seems they are the minority. And it's not me who am saying this, it's this Imam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRPzkB5mr1U

"Heated argument erupts as Australia's Muslim leaders address Manchester attack"

He says it's really hard to be a moderate muslim in Islam religion and that their scriptures really teach how to decapitate infidels and make they suffer!
If you look at different religions of the world, then everyone can believe or not believe, or believe in their own way. But what concerns Muslims and their religion of Islam, there is no more or less. There one can have only a strong Faith or obey the measure in which their people welcome.
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