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Topic: Reminder Everyone: If You Don't Have The Keys, Then It's Not Your Crypto (Read 645 times)

legendary
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If you use a top exchange, your bitcoins will be found. Once my 500 dollar TRON coins disappeared. The support team helped me. This can take a very long time. My coins were returned to me after a month. When choosing an exchange, you need to be very careful. Undecided
You truly don't get the message: the funds you held on ANY exchanges are NOT yours. They belong to the exchange since they control the keys to let you transact with your balance. Right? You only have a balance on the screen which says the exchange owes you something.
But if they are ever lost or stolen, you are done. Say goodbye to your coins!

Again: Not your keys, not your coins
sr. member
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Hi gentlemen of this beloveth forum, I wanna remind you guys to try as much as possible to never leave your bitcoins or any other crypto on an exchange except you are ready to loose them.

I just lost 78.82 usd worth of bitcoins I left on one of our local exchangers here, the exchange was not hacked, nothing happened, i just logged in this morning to discover that my bitcoin are no where to be found, I quickly navigated to the withdrawal history section to see if my account have been hacked and the hacker withdrew it, but surprisingly, there was no new withdrawal history except for the ones I've previously made which the last one was about 3 weeks ago, my bitcoins disappeared just like that.

I thought of withdrawing this coin a day before but decided not to bcus I knew I will be using them soon, so to avoid paying a withdrawal fee and in 2 or 3 days time, pay transaction fee to deposit them again, i decided to leave them there, now they are gone and i cant even trace where or how they went out.

I contacted support and they claim they are investigating the issue but whatever the result turns out to be, i dont have any hope of ever seeing my 78.82 usd in bitcoin again, bcus I think they know the worst am gonna do is stop using their exchange and as well discourage people around me from ever using them.

So the point of this message/post is if you value your coins, always keep them in a wallet you have the keys.

I feel sorry for your loss, I know this is not a huge amount we earn it daily but the point is getting lost your money.
If they can steal such a little amount they can do much more. I never left my bitcoins there instead I use my wallet to keep my money secure and save
sr. member
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In my opinion, you can not just blame this on exchanges, men must trade also. You need to let us know the name of the exchange. Normally, without private key, then the bitcoin is not directly ours and not our own on bitcoin blockchain. That is why it is very good to use a very reputed, trustworthy, reliable and a very safe exchange, trading is not easy or nearly impossible on wallets, that is why people prefer to use exchanges to trade.

Binance Dex exchange still provide customers with private keys, which can be a good alternative, but this kind of exchange have low trading volume.

Going for a reliable exchange such as phemex or bybit could be a nice way to store Crypto but on a short term basis. Its really difficult not to store your funds because its useless trading small amount and getting returns in low. I only trust exchanges that has good reputation and has twitter account to communicate with their users. Some decentralized exchange is more decent right now one of these is Uniswap, it has easy GUI and big community for issues you may encounter.
sr. member
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This is how important it is to choose reliable exchanges, so you can avoid bad things like those mentioned in the opening post.
Because popular and trusted exchanges have a good security system, our coins are not easy to hack. Choosing not to store coins
at all on exchanges is not a good choice for traders, if those who usually do day trading are certainly required to save coins on
exchanges. But not all of us store our coins on exchanges, just save the coins that we will use for trading. The rest can be stored
on hardware wallets.
hero member
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Exactly my point, this is exactly what happened to me with cryptopia, though I don't blame myself much cus i was kind of new to crypto then, but I won't say I don't regret it, I stored every of my coins on cryptopia as long as they are listed on the exchange, I heard of exchanges been hacked but I never knew it would soon get to cryptopia's turn, so I never bothered until it happened, that was how i lost everything I had on that exchange till today.

Well, speaking about Cryptopia, a lot of people have had a very bad experience using their exchange, including me. Though I didn't lose anything because I consistently follow up on the cryptos that magically lost or got stucked in the process of withdrawing or deposit.
Now, when you're more than a year in crypto space, I assume you've already gain a knowledge about the risks of storing cryptos in any exchange. It's inevitable not to use the exchange though specially when you're trading, but at least do not store your Btc or other alts for a long period of time.
full member
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If you use a top exchange, your bitcoins will be found. Once my 500 dollar TRON coins disappeared. The support team helped me. This can take a very long time. My coins were returned to me after a month. When choosing an exchange, you need to be very careful. Undecided
sr. member
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Sorry for your loss but I suppose this could serve us all a lesson to consider using a DEX instead, though I think those DEX's may have low daily volume and prices aren't as attractive as compared to centralized exchange. Imho.
You are right about the DEX exchange which has a small daily volume which has the advantage of being able to fully control our assets.  but centralized exchanges or large exchanges such as Binance, Bithumb, Bittrex and many more, have security that is constantly being improved so that it is not easy to hack.  It is very risky, but as users we also have to be vigilant and not put all the assets on one exchange, you also have to have a secure private wallet such as using a hardware wallet and the like.  security is the responsibility of the asset owner.
Binance also hacked as well so there is no hack proof exchange yet and could be never possible as well so people have to take responsibility of their coins and store on a hardware wallet or paper wallet for long term, desktop and HD wallet for short term.
I agree, there is no hack proof system of security, even the cryptography has its limit. But some may ask why there are exchanges that has no reported cases of hacking like Huobi. It does not mean that if it don't happen to you, it will not come after you, though I'm not wishing them a bad luck to get their security be compromised. Still one of the safest way to store crypto is on hardware wallets like Ledger or Trezor.

Choose exchanges only when we are going to trade that coins in the near future.
There is nothing much of a risk when you let your funds sleep in the forum for like a day or two, the risk increases when you just leave it there for a while. Or exactly when they are compromised.
hero member
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Sorry for your loss but I suppose this could serve us all a lesson to consider using a DEX instead, though I think those DEX's may have low daily volume and prices aren't as attractive as compared to centralized exchange. Imho.
You are right about the DEX exchange which has a small daily volume which has the advantage of being able to fully control our assets.  but centralized exchanges or large exchanges such as Binance, Bithumb, Bittrex and many more, have security that is constantly being improved so that it is not easy to hack.  It is very risky, but as users we also have to be vigilant and not put all the assets on one exchange, you also have to have a secure private wallet such as using a hardware wallet and the like.  security is the responsibility of the asset owner.
Binance also hacked as well so there is no hack proof exchange yet and could be never possible as well so people have to take responsibility of their coins and store on a hardware wallet or paper wallet for long term, desktop and HD wallet for short term.Choose exchanges only when we are going to trade that coins in the near future.
legendary
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Sorry for your loss but I suppose this could serve us all a lesson to consider using a DEX instead, though I think those DEX's may have low daily volume and prices aren't as attractive as compared to centralized exchange. Imho.
You are right about the DEX exchange which has a small daily volume which has the advantage of being able to fully control our assets.  but centralized exchanges or large exchanges such as Binance, Bithumb, Bittrex and many more, have security that is constantly being improved so that it is not easy to hack.  It is very risky, but as users we also have to be vigilant and not put all the assets on one exchange, you also have to have a secure private wallet such as using a hardware wallet and the like.  security is the responsibility of the asset owner.
legendary
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Before starting a new thread I saw this one doing some research. Following OP's golden reminder Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins I would suggest that everyone take a look down memory lane to remember how many failed exchanges we saw during these years.
Mismanagement, theft, hacks etc. can always take your coins away from you.

I was lucky enough to have withdrawn my funds from both Cryptsy and Mintpal before they collapsed. For those of you who don't remember them, those where like the Huobi, Bitstamp, Bitfinex of today.

So, please, learn how to manage your wallet/keys  Cool
https://bravenewcoin.com/insights/36-bitcoin-exchanges-that-are-no-longer-with-us
legendary
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Hi gentlemen of this beloveth forum, I wanna remind you guys to try as much as possible to never leave your bitcoins or any other crypto on an exchange except you are ready to loose them.

I just lost 78.82 usd worth of bitcoins I left on one of our local exchangers here, the exchange was not hacked, nothing happened, i just logged in this morning to discover that my bitcoin are no where to be found, I quickly navigated to the withdrawal history section to see if my account have been hacked and the hacker withdrew it, but surprisingly, there was no new withdrawal history except for the ones I've previously made which the last one was about 3 weeks ago, my bitcoins disappeared just like that.

I thought of withdrawing this coin a day before but decided not to bcus I knew I will be using them soon, so to avoid paying a withdrawal fee and in 2 or 3 days time, pay transaction fee to deposit them again, i decided to leave them there, now they are gone and i cant even trace where or how they went out.

I contacted support and they claim they are investigating the issue but whatever the result turns out to be, i dont have any hope of ever seeing my 78.82 usd in bitcoin again, bcus I think they know the worst am gonna do is stop using their exchange and as well discourage people around me from ever using them.

So the point of this message/post is if you value your coins, always keep them in a wallet you have the keys.
Huh, which exchange was that? If the bitcoins disappeared from your account, that probably was a glitch or a bug maybe since no one withdrew it from your account. Since I am almost sure the coins don't stay on the "wallet" you are given. Look at the transactions, you will see once the coin reaches to the wallet address given to you buy the exchange, it gets moved to another wallet. So, even if the wallets private key has been compromised and the hacker moves the coins,  the balance change shouldn't be reflected on your account since the change will take place only if you withdraw from your account (which according to you no one did). I think the exchange you have joined is fake or a scam exchange.
No mate, they are not scam according to my findings, please read my update above, they had a glitch in their system and that caused balances to disappear in some affected accounts, it happened that I was one of the victims, they are currently working on resolving the issue and restoring balances in all affected accounts, but as I have stated before, as soon as my balance is restored, I will withdraw and never use them again, atleast until they upgrade there system.

Everything should return back to normal by tomorrow
copper member
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Hi gentlemen of this beloveth forum, I wanna remind you guys to try as much as possible to never leave your bitcoins or any other crypto on an exchange except you are ready to loose them.

I just lost 78.82 usd worth of bitcoins I left on one of our local exchangers here, the exchange was not hacked, nothing happened, i just logged in this morning to discover that my bitcoin are no where to be found, I quickly navigated to the withdrawal history section to see if my account have been hacked and the hacker withdrew it, but surprisingly, there was no new withdrawal history except for the ones I've previously made which the last one was about 3 weeks ago, my bitcoins disappeared just like that.

I thought of withdrawing this coin a day before but decided not to bcus I knew I will be using them soon, so to avoid paying a withdrawal fee and in 2 or 3 days time, pay transaction fee to deposit them again, i decided to leave them there, now they are gone and i cant even trace where or how they went out.

I contacted support and they claim they are investigating the issue but whatever the result turns out to be, i dont have any hope of ever seeing my 78.82 usd in bitcoin again, bcus I think they know the worst am gonna do is stop using their exchange and as well discourage people around me from ever using them.

So the point of this message/post is if you value your coins, always keep them in a wallet you have the keys.
Huh, which exchange was that? If the bitcoins disappeared from your account, that probably was a glitch or a bug maybe since no one withdrew it from your account. Since I am almost sure the coins don't stay on the "wallet" you are given. Look at the transactions, you will see once the coin reaches to the wallet address given to you buy the exchange, it gets moved to another wallet. So, even if the wallets private key has been compromised and the hacker moves the coins,  the balance change shouldn't be reflected on your account since the change will take place only if you withdraw from your account (which according to you no one did). I think the exchange you have joined is fake or a scam exchange.
sr. member
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Sad you lost little fund from your exchange account. Trusted exchange services won't get into such issues, because the reputation lost will affect their business. For increased security, it is always good to prefer the leading exchanges. In simple even if some issue took place with the fund, we'll get it resolved on time.

Some suggest to go for decentralized exchanges. With decentralized exchanges the full control will be with the user, but if human makes an error it can't be rectified further. The loss out of the error can't be recovered.
member
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Everything digital isn't really yours, so there's no reason to worry. Just accept it.


There should always be a reason to worry especially if you can't track what happened to the money you stored, it just disappeared. You earned that money so I think I can say that it is yours though, we are just lodging here in digital world so our money isn't 100% safe.  So, the best thing to do next time is to find trusted exchanges and distribute your money, do not just put all your money in one exchange or even in one wallet.
copper member
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Sorry you lost your bitcoins. It is an important lesson to learn not store too much cryptocurrency on the exchanges. Unfortunately it is a necessary evil for many at this point of time.
legendary
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Update

I got a mail from them this morning, they apologized and asked several of us affected to be patient, that the issue was caused by a glitch in their system, they claim they are currently working on fixing the problem and should give them between 50 to 72 hours to restore our balances.

Now I know I wasn't the only one affected as they clearly said it affected several of their users. So I wait patiently for them to ruturn my bitcoin and I run away from them forever   Grin Grin

It's good for you. But the reminder you give to us is a fact. I already encountered that problem before and lost my altcoins in different exchanges. So the best recommendation is to keep our bitcoin or altcoin in a much safer place than keeping it on exchanges that might endanger our crypto-currency.
The reason why I'm keeping my crypto in exchanges before saves a lot of transaction fees. However, saving fees solution is not worth it if your account is affected by hacking incidents.
Exactly my point, this is exactly what happened to me with cryptopia, though I don't blame myself much cus i was kind of new to crypto then, but I won't say I don't regret it, I stored every of my coins on cryptopia as long as they are listed on the exchange, I heard of exchanges been hacked but I never knew it would soon get to cryptopia's turn, so I never bothered until it happened, that was how i lost everything I had on that exchange till today.
hero member
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Update

I got a mail from them this morning, they apologized and asked several of us affected to be patient, that the issue was caused by a glitch in their system, they claim they are currently working on fixing the problem and should give them between 50 to 72 hours to restore our balances.

Now I know I wasn't the only one affected as they clearly said it affected several of their users. So I wait patiently for them to ruturn my bitcoin and I run away from them forever   Grin Grin

It's good for you. But the reminder you give to us is a fact. I already encountered that problem before and lost my altcoins in different exchanges. So the best recommendation is to keep our bitcoin or altcoin in a much safer place than keeping it on exchanges that might endanger our crypto-currency.
The reason why I'm keeping my crypto in exchanges before saves a lot of transaction fees. However, saving fees solution is not worth it if your account is affected by hacking incidents.
hero member
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Update

I got a mail from them this morning, they apologized and asked several of us affected to be patient, that the issue was caused by a glitch in their system, they claim they are currently working on fixing the problem and should give them between 50 to 72 hours to restore our balances.

Now I know I wasn't the only one affected as they clearly said it affected several of their users. So I wait patiently for them to ruturn my bitcoin and I run away from them forever   Grin Grin

I have never come across a situation like that in my life. Normally, I think the chance of this kind of 'vanishing' is very low. I thought there should definitely be a problem with their system. And there it is. I hope they will restore your coins quickly like they said. Smiley
hero member
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~snip~

Sorry for your loss but I suppose this could serve us all a lesson to consider using a DEX instead, though I think those DEX's may have low daily volume and prices aren't as attractive as compared to centralized exchange. Imho.
legendary
Activity: 2422
Merit: 1083
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Update

I got a mail from them this morning, they apologized and asked several of us affected to be patient, that the issue was caused by a glitch in their system, they claim they are currently working on fixing the problem and should give them between 50 to 72 hours to restore our balances.

Now I know I wasn't the only one affected as they clearly said it affected several of their users. So I wait patiently for them to ruturn my bitcoin and I run away from them forever   Grin Grin
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