Topic: Removal of Illegit negative Trust (Read 322 times)

First I want to say, as a Sr. Members you should know the forum rules. You are a Sr. Member and you are asking for trade or sale merit? How is possible? This is prohibited on this forum. If you want only donate that was fine. You can simply make a thread for donation free to HQ poster. As you believe that good poster also not getting merit. Even you are right , then why you are asking for trade/sale merit? Why didn't give your merit some good and HQ poster. There is good chance you missed for get merit. If you was post for donate merit for free and to the good and quality poster, then people also give you merit automatically. Because you are helping to good poster. So please try to keep clean and fair this forum. If you trade or sale merit then also shitposter will get merit. Hope you understand.

Below is proof that you can also help people by donate and you can get too much merit. Check this link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/joes-signatureless-challenge-archives-3055616

Your type of writing and the way you want to get out by changing what you have said by arguing that you have been drunk is not plausible and I think it is a lie. No one should worry much about their red trust if they have come here to enjoy the forum and help others or get helped which is the primary reason why someone joins a forum. Life goes on no matter green, black or red trust.

Yeah, look how well translation programs are working out on bitcointalk.  I wish I had a ready example to give, but I don't and I'm too lazy to go find one at Bitcoin Discussion or Economics.

This has nothing to do with me being a master of the English language.  The kind of criticism you mentioned has to do with people trying to post in a section which they're clearly not qualified to.  I can guarantee that if I tried posting in your local board using google translate (AND wrote idiotic posts that bitcoin is a global cryptocurrency that is increasing day by day and has sunny future....you'd report every single one of my posts and probably would criticize me for what I did).  These shitposters are uniformly ignorant, lazy, and greedy, and they deserve all the negative feedback they get.  They deserve not only negative trust but a permaban.

I also want to know why people giving negative trust without the proper evidence or just a solid proof, if you don't like or trust some person then just click ignore button or never response them at all, then you will read some "might" in their statement, it means it doesn't happen anyway why do you need to put some color red on them?

"Don't trust them!" are you a god of prediction? if you leave advice like this then at least leave some proof for us not to trust this person.

"Creating shit post and not English user" hahaha are you the founder of English language? that's why we have translator so we can convey are thoughts to others.

if you broke one rules, you are not perfect your self not to give a second chance to everyone, please tell this things to shit heads who always giving red trust to everyone as they like, karma is working well, not only on this forum but on real world, so tell them to be careful!!!

what does "i just dont trust him" and "asked to trade merit" have anything to do with trustworthyness regarding economic business, the message should be appropriate then,

like "Warning: user received red trust from others" and not "Warning: trade with extreme caution" what you are doing is an evil generalisation. i didnt stole "bitcoins" or other cryptocurrency from anyone. but it looks as if i did.

because the issue is about submitting under the "forum rules" and the highly subjective and also "abusive" usage of admin/mod powers to generally blackdraw users

what i am asking is to make at least the warning message appropriate, and not black draw anyone for trade becaus he broke accidentally some forum rules or became "disliked" by a "trusted" member

Reading through the thread and going further to see the basis of the red trust by @ThePharmacist, I cannot but agree with others position on the matter. While there is nothing wrong in asking questions for clarity sake, your went a little further by outrightly intending to get into such activity which means if it had been allowed, you would have engaged in it. Intention matters but unfortunately you won't be the one judge of that but others.

That you don't know is also an excuse but not a tenable one because as a member of that rank of yours, if you are active on sections that talks about such, you would it attract the same hostility just like trading trust or buying of accounts. Also, while you can call it illegal trust, I'm afraid others have agreed that it is warranted.

Pfft,this is sarcastic  and you deserve your fucking red trust period! I love the pharmacist for being a pussy because he knows what he is doing move on bro and start to rank up using your alt accounts,maybe you can rank up with faster as you have more alts that we never know,deserves to be punished no one is above the law,i mean to these DTs.

Why is negative trust counted if it does not have the reference? I agree that the "I just don't trust him" is absolutely subjective, without a reference and should be removed. Tho, I don't know about the other one, I'm on my phone atm and it's painful to manoeuvre around. But by just having a reference, makes it a lot more legit.

Now again, you haven't broken forum rules. You have just been found untrustworthy by default trust members. So the message is appropriate.
In any case, people who want to trade with you should read the feedback, not just make up their mind and based on a number.

i want to take it as a learning experience but this negative trust from this "learning experience" generalises this account as in general not beeing trustworthy for trade

this is ridiculous

why is now this message "trade with extreme caution" this is completely misguiding, rather there should be

"broke once forum rules"

that would be accurate.

You didn't think that creating a thread to trade merits for merits, which goes against the purpose of the merit system, could potentially cause trouble? If you're being honest about not seeing anything wrong with that, just take it as a learning experience.

you cant make everyone be 100% confirm with some admins,

1. i was drunk
2. i was angry how it discriminates newcommers and new members

so i hated that system

these thoughts mixed, and i expressed myself how i feel about that system.
many people complained. if you blackdraw someone dont generalise. because currently you do it, and thats the main issue. why i dont like this "red trust"

Oh come on. Your argument is invalid. It's like me getting drunk and getting into an accident where I kill the victim, and then I tell the judge "Ah come on, I was drunk on that day! Let me have a second chance. I won't do it again!"

Sorry, but that's not how consequences for your actions work, mate.

ah come on i was drunk at that day, and pissed of that system since it neglects and discriminate new members. who doesn't has his crisis days?

one of your cryptocurrency heroes "roger ver" was imprisioned for 10 months when he sold explosives of ebay, the government at least lets rest on those things after a while but you black draw an account eternaly

internet forums arent publicly known to be some form of courts etc.

This is absolutely false. Here is what you wrote verbatim:


This is not simply asking a question. You are proposing to engage in shady and untrustworthy behavior in order to swap your merit.

With that said, you didn't get red-tagged because of your supposed merit trade, you got it because you showed untrustworthy behavior. Regardless of whether merit trading is "illegal" here or not, offering to trade your merit for someone else because you "doubt on the viability of this merit system" is very shady and goes against the very purpose of why merit was created. THAT'S why you get a negative trust.

You, yourself, laughed at the fact that merit-exchanging was "not possible to be legally exchanged" as can be seen here:


You made light of a situation that was implemented to improve the overall health of the forums, and now you want to whine about getting a red tag because of your actions? Remember, you had the freedom to write whatever you want, and you chose to display yourself in a manner that appeared to be shady and untrustworthy.

I agree with the negative trust ratings left on your profile.

it has in the context that it gets annyoing and imprisioning if out of nothing you suddenly can do something illegal, bitcoin was created in an environment where the banking cartel ruled everything.

Not only is ignorance of the laws not an excuse for breaking them, as TryNinja has pointed out, but the rules of bitcointalk are absolutely not countless.  They're all in a sticky somewhere, but I'm too lazy to search for it for the sake of this post.  Since this is your 2500th post, you've obviously been around long enough to know the rules and you should also know that moderators don't moderate trust.  Have you not heard that before? 
[/quote]

i still had no idea about that particular rule, no reason now to black draw my acount

Well, that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Not only is ignorance of the laws not an excuse for breaking them, as TryNinja has pointed out, but the rules of bitcointalk are absolutely not countless.  They're all in a sticky somewhere, but I'm too lazy to search for it for the sake of this post.  Since this is your 2500th post, you've obviously been around long enough to know the rules and you should also know that moderators don't moderate trust.  Have you not heard that before?  

Of course it's subjective.  With any trust you leave, positive or negative, you're saying you trust the person.  That's how the trust system works.  Again, this isn't an argument for anything.

You only think it's illegitimate because you don't like it, which is very subjective.  Ironically.

Have you done any reading in Meta since late January?  How could you possibly not know that trading merit is severely frowned upon?  But again: ignorance is no excuse.

Edit:  I'm not removing that feedback.  Not only did you start a thread in which you suggested that everyone start selling merit, but you clearly have some questionable merit activity going on.  Despite the PM you just sent me in which you stated that you learned your lesson, you clearly have not.  I blocked any further PMs from you, because I'm sure you'd just keep sending them with idiotic arguments like you've made here, along with whining and pleading.  You earned it.  Suck it up.  In addition, you're also a shitposter.

ohm well jes the roman empire also collapsed and got under hatred because of its overcomplexity
i can also give you a link on that

btw: bitcoin was also completely made illegal, and people supported bitcoin because the banking system got "overcomplex"
so its highly doubtful you can use that phrase legitimately here in bitcointalk.
for rules people have no idea about.



then why is a completely ilegit personal oppinion possible to blackdraw my account in this forum in general,

this is like a child saying i dont like broccoly, no reason why my account should now be "trade with exreme caution"

Ignorantia juris non excusat

None of the users who gave you a negative trust are mods. Merit trading isn't even against the rules. It's just a shady behavior, and that's why you got a negative trust and not a ban.

Maybe. But trust isn't moderated. The user don't trust you and that's it.

Only who left you the negative trust can remove it. And after reading the reference link, I doubt they will.

i need some help from the mods here, i think my negative trust is quite illegitimate, and i dont deserve it.

1. negative trust i got was about supposed merit trade,

i was just asking weather its possible to exchange merit donations, didnt knew it was illegal, the mods should here think:

if you go into a highly complex environment with countless rules, how do you know you are not accidentally breaking one without knowing it?


2. "I just don't trust him" is a completely subjective oppinion, similar like the central banks and banking cartels that "I just don't trust Bitcoin"

as bitcoiners you should have understanding that this is a very shady way of blackdrawing others.

i hope you get understanding

and remove this negative trust.

regards

KingScorpio my 2500st post