Can I set up a live cam craps game in investor games or is this shady as well?
I know no one was thinking of it and I was thinking maybe I pay some people to set up webcams for this on the street.
Maybe we might catch a shooting or fight but things should work out as long the cams keep rolling. Once I establish a system I hope people will come in under my affiliate system and build a pyramid underneath me. Kind of like how I did it with herion.
Topic: remove investor-based games (Read 2577 times)
People who are too stupid to perceive the risks shouldn't keep their money anyway. They're the ones that keep the scammers going, so we're not losing anything. They navigated from the gambling section to the investor-based games section.
alot of you guys say these members such as cryptodevil take it too far but i would have to counter that you all don't take it serious enough
this is the biggest btc forum in the world, new members join everyday, im sure of it
there is no official policing, and therefore it takes the trust system and the members of DT TO BE THE POLICE HERE
they don't have to either, remember theres no financial gain for them, so it's really just out of caring for an overall healthier forum that i think they do it.
you can look at those boards and add the tens of btc lost by newbies everyday, anyone with a heart that would piss right off (me included i have no easy words for any scams of any sort)
in MY perfect forum world there would not be this board, but they also would not spam "legit" gambling boards, they would not be here at all
this would be a board of intellectual discussion, project discussion, marketplace, and such, mature shit, none of the crap there at all haha ;p
but that's my look at it so suck it up guys SOMEONE needs to police these boards
and bottom line is what has been said;
if you participate at all prepare to get tagged, as even "money you made" is STOLEN from others, making you no better
just don't go there , its not hard, look at my profile prob not ONE visit to that board haha (man i love my shitcoins tho ;p)
addition; i think its funny so many of you think people like mexxer cryptodevil gleb,and suchmoon as such assholes
if they were such asses would they spend their time helping this noobie communities ass out so much?
no , they would be like veterns vegas , bobsurplus or spots, spend their time scamming you instead
grow a fricken brain
jesus, people will even cry when you help them around here....
this is the biggest btc forum in the world, new members join everyday, im sure of it
there is no official policing, and therefore it takes the trust system and the members of DT TO BE THE POLICE HERE
they don't have to either, remember theres no financial gain for them, so it's really just out of caring for an overall healthier forum that i think they do it.
you can look at those boards and add the tens of btc lost by newbies everyday, anyone with a heart that would piss right off (me included i have no easy words for any scams of any sort)
in MY perfect forum world there would not be this board, but they also would not spam "legit" gambling boards, they would not be here at all
this would be a board of intellectual discussion, project discussion, marketplace, and such, mature shit, none of the crap there at all haha ;p
but that's my look at it so suck it up guys SOMEONE needs to police these boards
and bottom line is what has been said;
if you participate at all prepare to get tagged, as even "money you made" is STOLEN from others, making you no better
just don't go there , its not hard, look at my profile prob not ONE visit to that board haha (man i love my shitcoins tho ;p)
addition; i think its funny so many of you think people like mexxer cryptodevil gleb,and suchmoon as such assholes
if they were such asses would they spend their time helping this noobie communities ass out so much?
no , they would be like veterns vegas , bobsurplus or spots, spend their time scamming you instead
grow a fricken brain
jesus, people will even cry when you help them around here....
Can't the investor based games be just what it is and have the FORUM say it's a ponzi that having pretentious DT members spam their negs?
Is it our pretentiousness that bothers you or the fact our action is having a strong effect on the scammers and those who wish to help them scam in return for a share in the loot?
The IBG section is what it is and will continue to be what it is, a place where ponzi scam threads live and a place where members of the forum community have decided that participation is collaboration and your intention to seek profit from theft should be communicated to other members who may encounter you.
It isn't complicated.
Can't the investor based games be just what it is and have the FORUM say it's a ponzi that having pretentious DT members spam their negs?
The warning is enough of a deterrent the extra trust tag is uncalled for and a bully tactic.
Its ironic that it is done by people with green trust as they usually state the trust has no bearing ignoring or glossing over it does not let people do any business in any form without people being hesitant. They can not join a signature campaign and even if you are against signatures,you have to recognize people are going to be less helpful if they where gone. That would erode the environment here and leave the chosen few,maybe thats the plan.
If you spread the issue to the forum and not just this investor based sub forum it looks like a agenda to keep the shop closed and gang tactic any new face that wants to set up a new business. Its bad enough that people hijack ideas and railroad others to make a profit but thats life.
Let live..After all if this was a real issue the owner of the forum would cancel the section with little discussion needed. Its there for a reason.
Its ironic that it is done by people with green trust as they usually state the trust has no bearing ignoring or glossing over it does not let people do any business in any form without people being hesitant. They can not join a signature campaign and even if you are against signatures,you have to recognize people are going to be less helpful if they where gone. That would erode the environment here and leave the chosen few,maybe thats the plan.
If you spread the issue to the forum and not just this investor based sub forum it looks like a agenda to keep the shop closed and gang tactic any new face that wants to set up a new business. Its bad enough that people hijack ideas and railroad others to make a profit but thats life.
Let live..After all if this was a real issue the owner of the forum would cancel the section with little discussion needed. Its there for a reason.
many people lose money in hyip program, are you agree if sub forum investor-based game removed ?
Well there are still some users who love to invest in those hyip.Hyip is just like gambling so there is nothing bad in it.However there are many users who gets profit from investor-based games even if one scams out as they have some nice profits from the previous ponzis.
At the moment warning in that board is enougj to warn users.But still if users weep out after reading it and losing in hyip's , then its their fault.
If you are stupid enough to gamble or invest in a ponzi, it is completely your fault. We aren't gonna remove investor-based games just so people stop losing their money.
But if they are very clear about how it works I don't see why it is worse than any other gambling.
Please click on the green text in my sig and try to understand why it is not about you or your money, it is about your lack of concern for how you profit, even if that profit is derived from money stolen from other people.BTW, please don't try claiming that *everyone* who participates does so knowing fully what they are participating in. That is an assumption I have already disproven by way of the pm's I have received from people who genuinely didn't understand what a ponzi was after sending money to one.
There are people from all over the world using this forum. They don't always understand what they are reading, so you can't guarantee that all participants are willingly losing their money.
This goes with simple dice gambling too.
I have seen many times people in this forum thinking primedice is rigged when they get 5 lose streak with 50% win change.
But of course it isn't their fault that someone who is bad with math plays their game thinking martinagle is invincible.
Here is 93 pages of people wondering if martinagle works or not.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/does-martingale-really-works-610339
This is just how any other gambling works too. Most of people lose and house and those who win will get their money.
In proper gambling, with provably fair odds, those who win do not depend on those playing after them being incited to make a deposit in order for that deposit to be taken by the 'house' and shared with the earlier 'player'. A ponzi isn't gambling, it is a mathematically unsound pyramid structure of passing money around until it collapses.
But if they are very clear about how it works I don't see why it is worse than any other gambling.
Please click on the green text in my sig and try to understand why it is not about you or your money, it is about your lack of concern for how you profit, even if that profit is derived from money stolen from other people.BTW, please don't try claiming that *everyone* who participates does so knowing fully what they are participating in. That is an assumption I have already disproven by way of the pm's I have received from people who genuinely didn't understand what a ponzi was after sending money to one.
There are people from all over the world using this forum. They don't always understand what they are reading, so you can't guarantee that all participants are willingly losing their money.
investment site are fast scam.. but sometimes investor win.
If it is a HYIP or Ponzi (usually the same thing anyway), the 'investor' only 'wins' by profiting from money stolen from other users. Disclaimer: I do not recommend investing in ponzi site! You will lose your money if you do so!
This is just how any other gambling works too. Most of people lose and house and those who win will get their money.
I think ponzis are scam only if they lie that they invest the money to make the profits or if they say it is guaranteed or other bs like that.
But if they are very clear about how it works I don't see why it is worse than any other gambling.
I do not recommend anyone to use ponzi sites, because they are bad and people will lose money so please don't neg trust me.
Disclaimer: I do not recommend investing in ponzi site! You will lose your money if you do so!
i think people who go that section, they already be warned by forum rules.. they already aware this ponzi sites will scam
You can think that all you like, but you'll be wrong. Your subjective opinion does not equal objective fact. Data proves otherwise to your claim.investment site are fast scam.. but sometimes investor win.
If it is a HYIP or Ponzi (usually the same thing anyway), the 'investor' only 'wins' by profiting from money stolen from other users. 
i think people who go that section, they already be warned by forum rules.. they already aware this ponzi sites will scam, its matter fast scam or slow scam 
but without this section, i guess its quite boring actually.. investment site are fast scam.. but sometimes investor win.
but without this section, i guess its quite boring actually.. investment site are fast scam.. but sometimes investor win. One wants to clean up bitcoin forum and make it easier to go about business. The other wants to allow every aspect to breathe outside governments rules. Really do not see either side coming to a agreement that would appease all groups.
'Breathe outside government rules'='Behave like a scumbag and not be held to account'
FYI. This is is *nothing* to do with bitcoin. A forum is not bitcoin. We might as well be trading seashells, despicable dishonest behaviour is still despicable dishonest behaviour.
This used to be called the Ponzi section if I'm not mistaken,
No, it was originally named investor-based games. I was here in the forum way back when it's not here yet and the main reason why they put an investor-based games sub-section is to separate the ponzi to the legit gambling games that people are advertising here. Back then people kept creating new threads about these ponzis and users are complaining on how there should be a separate setion for it so that the gambling threads will not be flooded by these ponzis. Obviously it's purpose is to keep the freedom of those ponzi enthusiast and at the same time be able to sweep their hyips scam in one part of this forum because without it we know that people will still create ponzi threads in other sections so it's bet that they have their own part. Let's admit that mos people in here invest in them. Without investors here, there will be no ponzis popping up each day.
Also don't blame it on the investor based games. You have your own mind so you are the one who are incharge of your coins. You decide what to do with it. And for petes' sake, have you guys not read those big CAVEAT EMPTOR above every single thread of the invetor-based games. If you are complaining because you lost your money then it must have you not having a common sense to understand how things works in there.
For some one that thinks I keep stating the same thing over and over,you sure like quoting me to twist my words.
Quoting you to twist your words? I'm quoting you to show the things you have said so I can explain why it is utter bollocks.One mans cess-pit another mans treasure,maybe learn to except that instead of forcing people to your ideology.
LOL. That's just too much dumb-fuckery to comment on.If you have a problem with the sale of accounts talk to the owner of the forum,forcing people to see it as a issue by negatively leaving trust comments just shows you are petty.
Subjective opinion.When you leave comments of negative reflection with out proof it is slander.
Jesus Fucking Henry Christ will you lot please get a fucking education! The word you want is LIBEL !Doing it just once makes what you say worthless and people will eventually just ignore the comments left. So great job in showing the trust system can be broken.
Subjective opinion.You know its funny you really do post like some one else in these threads the way you chop up things people say. Wonder if that is just wanting to be one of the boys or maybe more to it under that rough exterior you got going.
But anyways you have made a solid argument as usual and thank you for the kind words.
So much so I think I will just let it speak for its self.
**Rest of this post is in reference to discussion**
Obviously we have two ways of seeing bitcoin and off shoots of these two ideologies. One wants to clean up bitcoin forum and make it easier to go about business. The other wants to allow every aspect to breathe outside governments rules. Really do not see either side coming to a agreement that would appease all groups.
The one thing that I feel that is being over looked is this push is by a few members and not the collective. So do you allow a small segment to dictate the forum or do we open things up and discuss things till a majority can be accomplished? Arguing that its already working is narrowing the focus,but lets look down the road and see what is being gained or lost over these issues.
Allow room for discord and you will have a better forum,closed shop thinking will not solve the issues at hand.
For some one that thinks I keep stating the same thing over and over,you sure like quoting me to twist my words.
Quoting you to twist your words? I'm quoting you to show the things you have said so I can explain why it is utter bollocks.One mans cess-pit another mans treasure,maybe learn to except that instead of forcing people to your ideology.
LOL. That's just too much dumb-fuckery to comment on.If you have a problem with the sale of accounts talk to the owner of the forum,forcing people to see it as a issue by negatively leaving trust comments just shows you are petty.
Subjective opinion.When you leave comments of negative reflection with out proof it is slander.
Jesus Fucking Henry Christ will you lot please get a fucking education! The word you want is LIBEL !Doing it just once makes what you say worthless and people will eventually just ignore the comments left. So great job in showing the trust system can be broken.
Subjective opinion. Its more about posting a fistful of Red Herrings
or two they are leaving a comment that supports the scam. The latter makes little sense because you are turning the victim into a target.
He posts because he wants someone else to be the victim. That *is* the point of the supporting post in a Ponzi thread.Some think the buyer is the bad guy,well others think the seller is the true issue. Due to not defining the issue they can attack everyone involved with out any one being able to say wait a minute!
Wait a minute, what? Is there something you think follows that statement which magically transmogrifies the dishonest practice of buying and selling forum accounts into something legit and not deceptive?Both seller and buyer should be tagged, but in a lot of cases they use socks to conduct the transaction so we can't hit the established accounts.
We do what we can to make a functional difference to this cess-pit. You, on the other hand, keep on throwing out 'slippery-slope' fallacious argument about censorship. Even though I keep telling you this we are not stopping anybody from doing anything, we are merely introducing consequence for proven demonstrations of untrustworthiness.
For some one that thinks I keep stating the same thing over and over,you sure like quoting me to twist my words.
One mans cess-pit another mans treasure,maybe learn to except that instead of forcing people to your ideology.
When did talk of censorship become a slippery slope?
If you have a problem with the sale of accounts talk to the owner of the forum,forcing people to see it as a issue by negatively leaving trust comments just shows you are petty.
When you leave comments of negative reflection with out proof it is slander. Doing it just once makes what you say worthless and people will eventually just ignore the comments left. So great job in showing the trust system can be broken.
That section serves not only to promote HYIP's or Ponzi site but also to warn others of existence of such site. As long as there is no referral link and post doesn't sound promoting a ponzi or HYIP I don't think nothing is wrong with that and that section.
Its more about posting a fistful of Red Herrings
or two they are leaving a comment that supports the scam. The latter makes little sense because you are turning the victim into a target.
He posts because he wants someone else to be the victim. That *is* the point of the supporting post in a Ponzi thread.Some think the buyer is the bad guy,well others think the seller is the true issue. Due to not defining the issue they can attack everyone involved with out any one being able to say wait a minute!
Wait a minute, what? Is there something you think follows that statement which magically transmogrifies the dishonest practice of buying and selling forum accounts into something legit and not deceptive?Both seller and buyer should be tagged, but in a lot of cases they use socks to conduct the transaction so we can't hit the established accounts.
We do what we can to make a functional difference to this cess-pit. You, on the other hand, keep on throwing out 'slippery-slope' fallacious argument about censorship. Even though I keep telling you this we are not stopping anybody from doing anything, we are merely introducing consequence for proven demonstrations of untrustworthiness.
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