Topic: Remove &quot;Report to moderator&quot; from Wall Observer (Read 590 times)

Quote from: Igebotz on May 29, 2022, 07:56:40 AM

so maybe just put a piece of tape over it or something.

That, "put a tape over it" mention actually killed me with laughter 😂. A tape, indeed. Apart from plagiarism, I think since WO is a prediction thread we are bound to get so many junk and spam posts there. It's like what happens in all prediction and gambling threads. However, if you're so much concerned about the unhandled cases; I believe sending pm to mods will expedite action on that, expectedly. For plagiarism, using the relevant thread for it here to prove the case and draw attention of mods will suffice like Igehhh opined.

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Learn to respect other people's opinions; that's how civilized people communicate. I just suggested another way to get the mods' attention quickly, and you called it "abject nonsense." Keep reporting the old way, but don't blame anyone when your cases are ignored.

There is no evidence to suggest that mods take action based on the posts in that thread or any thread. It might be useful if there is a larger amount of evidence, so that making a post and referencing it in a report is more convenient, but it shouldn't be required to do so.

And yes, I will blame the staff if they ignore post reports. It's their job to handle them.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 29, 2022, 07:56:40 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 28, 2022, 08:20:34 AM

I am with suchmoon on this. The first times I reported people for plagiarism I did it using the "report to moderator" button. I just said: "plagiarized from:..." and put a link to the original article. My reports were handled

So it is not necessary to use LoyceV's thread. And that is something that should work on the WO thread.

We all do, but taking other routes will not kill anyone, because we can't keep complaining about the same thing over and over when the people in charge don't give a fvk. It's like going to McDonald to order a burger knowing they're terrible.

But let's see one thing: having created this thread, don't you think it's enough of an alternative route? What does he have to do? Apart from reporting using the "Report to moderator" button and creating this thread, also put everything detailed in the thread to report plagiarism that LoyceV created?

I think with the first two actions he has already brought the case to the attention of the moderators sufficiently, even of theymos. If they don't act it's not suchmoon's fault.

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Quote from: suchmoon on May 28, 2022, 08:11:18 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on May 28, 2022, 08:20:34 AM

If it's about plagiarism, using the "report to moderator" button is a waste of time because no moderator wants to waste time digging up evidence of plagiarism if the case isn't reported on a thread with evidence.

Thus the petition to remove "Report to moderator", although what you said is abject nonsense. Moderators don't need to dig anything up. I report a post and in the report there is a link to the original text. That's all the evidence they need.

Learn to respect other people's opinions; that's how civilized people communicate. I just suggested another way to get the mods' attention quickly, and you called it "abject nonsense." Keep reporting the old way, but don't blame anyone when your cases are ignored.

There is no moderator on that board, every reported case is assigned to a patroller, and from what I recall, the majority of the patrollers are inactive.

I am with suchmoon on this. The first times I reported people for plagiarism I did it using the "report to moderator" button. I just said: "plagiarized from:..." and put a link to the original article. My reports were handled

So it is not necessary to use LoyceV's thread. And that is something that should work on the WO thread.

We all do, but taking other routes will not kill anyone, because we can't keep complaining about the same thing over and over when the people in charge don't give a fvk. It's like going to McDonald to order a burger knowing they're terrible.

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Quote from: suchmoon on May 28, 2022, 08:11:18 AM

If it's about plagiarism, using the "report to moderator" button is a waste of time because no moderator wants to waste time digging up evidence of plagiarism if the case isn't reported on a thread with evidence.

Thus the petition to remove "Report to moderator", although what you said is abject nonsense. Moderators don't need to dig anything up. I report a post and in the report there is a link to original. That's all the evidence they need. I wouldn't be able to provide any more evidence in a thread and it would ridiculous if moderators check a thread (or multiple threads) for mod reports but not their actual mod report queue. But again, if that's what's happening then remove "Report to moderator".

I am with suchmoon on this. The first times I reported people for plagiarism I did it using the "report to moderator" button. I just said: "plagiarized from:..." and put a link to the original article. My reports were handled

So it is not necessary to use LoyceV's thread. And that is something that should work on the WO thread.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 27, 2022, 04:30:05 PM

If it's about plagiarism, using the "report to moderator" button is a waste of time because no moderator wants to waste time digging up evidence of plagiarism if the case isn't reported on a thread with evidence.

Thus the petition to remove "Report to moderator", although what you said is abject nonsense. Moderators don't need to dig anything up. I report a post and in the report there is a link to the original text. That's all the evidence they need. I wouldn't be able to provide any more evidence in a thread and it would be ridiculous if moderators check a thread (or multiple threads) for mod reports but not their actual mod report queue. But again, if that's what's happening then remove "Report to moderator".

Edit: grammar.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 26, 2022, 11:49:41 PM

One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk. Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules? Gimme an effin' break, eh?

I do see the sense in having certain rules that do not apply there. And I don't think it's because they are considered an elite, maybe some of them consider themselves as such, but I don't consider the WO thread regulars to be anything special because they are regulars. Everyone, WO or not, I can have a special consideration for having been on the forum for a long time contributing positively, knowing a lot about Bitcoin or other reasons.

The regulars there for the most part do not carry a paid signature and it is the only thread they visit, or where they spend 90% of their time. I also agree with suchmoon in that it works kind of like a chat room that's why I see it like a special place of the forum.

And don't think I'm just saying that because I'm frequenting it. Some time ago I used to frequent the thread, but it's been months since I've been there.

Then there are negative aspects of that special status that the thread has. For example, for a newbie who writes a bullish one-liner about the price of Bitcoin, it is easy to get merit. Also if he says that he has bought or is going to buy a certain amount of Bitcoin, and the like. Some know it and go there to see if they get merits. We have seen this in recently banned members.

Quote from: suchmoon on May 27, 2022, 04:18:11 PM

Tbh, the hat club or whatever name they go by has been on the thread for ages, they don't care about the DT system, Merits, or signature campaigns, and they don't post anywhere else, as long as they stay there with their shit, it doesn't harm the forum in any way.

I agree.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 27, 2022, 04:08:25 PM

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

This has nothing to do with infofront. Forum moderators - not infofront - should handle plagiarism and other serious violations, or at least that's what it says when you click "Report to moderator" in WO.

If it's about plagiarism, using the "report to moderator" button is a waste of time because no moderator wants to waste time digging up evidence of plagiarism if the case isn't reported on a thread with evidence. BTW, if your case involves plagiarism, it's nothing new because I' have a couple of reported cases left unhandled in the last few months.

If the point is to clear the WO of spam, Infofront must handle it.

Quote from: OgNasty on May 27, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it.

Moderators have already given up on them since 2017.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 27, 2022, 04:30:05 PM

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk. Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules? Gimme an effin' break, eh?

Tbh, the hat club or whatever name they go by has been on the thread for ages, they don't care about the DT system, Merits, or signature campaigns, and they don't post anywhere else, as long as they stay there with their shit, it doesn't harm the forum in any way. However, I have yet to see any user reported for plagiarism from that thread.

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Quote from: OgNasty on May 27, 2022, 04:23:54 PM

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it.

Nice strawman, but no one is expecting moderators to be constantly attending it. A report is a report, it should be handled. It doesn't require any more moderator's time regardless of where it came from.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 26, 2022, 11:49:41 PM

One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk. Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules? Gimme an effin' break, eh?

Simple "spammy" posts are accepted in that thread, because it's that kind of thread. It's more of a chatroom. I don't see a problem with that.

And even if plagiarism was allowed there, that's still just one thread that can be easily avoided by those who don't appreciate this kind of "freedom". Again, no big deal for me, although I would probably visit the thread less, because sifting through copy-pasted shit isn't much fun.

The problem (for me anyway) is that "officially" it should be moderated for those more serious violations like plagiarism but in practice it isn't. So either make it an official free-for-all and stop wasting time for people who try to report posts, or start actually handling those reports.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 26, 2022, 11:49:41 PM

One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

I get that the WO thread is akin to a gated community on this site, but I don't see any reason (except for moderator manpower) why any of those things should be tolerated there and nowhere else on bitcointalk. Is this really a forum where there's a single thread full of elite-class members exempt from the rules? Gimme an effin' break, eh?

Quote from: Poker Player on May 26, 2022, 11:49:41 PM

In theory there should be someone moderating plagiarism and other aspects

Theoretically moderating a thread that's apparently above the law doesn't do a hell of a lot of good. In practice there ought to be a moderator covering that thread, preferably someone who's impartial and has no ties to it. There's already too much of the old-boy's-club stink about the WO thread.

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Quote from: Igebotz on May 27, 2022, 04:08:25 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on May 27, 2022, 03:02:23 PM

Quote from: Despairo on May 27, 2022, 11:12:40 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on May 27, 2022, 04:08:25 PM

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

The thread appears to be the longest serving and has the most pages; it serves an important purpose, but something must be done to keep it alive.

Like you touched on, it's the longest thread on this forum and so there's a little bit of a reason why moderators might not want to constantly be attending to it. We all probably want to see it continue to grow and it doesn't seem to be doing any harm to anyone. I like glancing over the most recent posts to get a feel for the market. I don't think moderators spending their time on that thread is a very good use of time, but neither is spending development time removing features from it. I think this is one of those situations where the problem isn't really bothering anyone, so there's no need to be a Karen about it.

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I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

This has nothing to do with infofront. Forum moderators - not infofront - should handle plagiarism and other serious violations, or at least that's what it says when you click "Report to moderator" in WO.

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Quote from: suchmoon on May 27, 2022, 03:02:23 PM

Quote from: Despairo on May 27, 2022, 11:12:40 AM

Quote from: Despairo on May 27, 2022, 11:12:40 AM

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

I think infofront was voted and appointed as the moderator of that thread a few years ago. I see he's still very active on the forum; perhaps he should tell us why the thread is still facing the same disaster that caused theymos to lock it sometime ago. I also believe, is why moderators have stopped paying attention to reports from that thread.

The thread appears to be the longest serving and has the most pages; it serves an important purpose, but something must be done to keep it alive.

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Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

If moderators "miss" that many reports then perhaps they shouldn't be moderators.

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Quote from: Z-tight on May 26, 2022, 02:45:45 PM

Are you serious? The posts have been reported to mods. That's all the attention a simple case of plagiarism needs.

Perhaps they missed your report? it's possible and that's why report on that's thread is one of to gain moderators attention. I don't know either report to moderator or report to that thread are better, but there's nothing wrong to do both.

There's already similar thread before What happened to the forum plagiarism rules? it seems moderators taking an action after he created new thread, though there's still one who not get banned yet.

I ever saw a post get removed on WO thread, but I don't know it's either @infofront, the poster or the moderator who taking the decision. Giving publicity who delete a post doesn't sound a good idea, this could be useful for some case e.g. to know the user is a liar or honest.

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I understand suchmoon. As much as WO is a special part of the forum where things are tolerated that are not tolerated in other parts of the forum, I don't see why plagiarism should be tolerated there. One-liners, over quotes, etc. are OK in my opinion, but not plagiarism.

In theory there should be someone moderating plagiarism and other aspects, if we go by what is said in the thread:

Theymos would not remove the "report to moderator" link, i guess you know that too because you sound sarcastic here.

Of course he sounds sarcastic, I liked his approach to the problem.

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Quote from: Z-tight on May 26, 2022, 02:45:45 PM

then it makes no sense to have a misleading "Report to moderator" link there as there is nothing to report.

What if you personally stop reporting posts there, from your observation it is futile to do so, no use to keep doing it.

Quote from: shahzadafzal on May 26, 2022, 03:21:05 PM

And yes, I do realize that removing the link might be too much of a hassle for the extremely busy staff, so maybe just put a piece of tape over it or something.

Theymos would not remove the "report to moderator" link, i guess you know that too because you sound sarcastic here. Just stop reporting anything there to save you the headache.

I have already stopped of course, I'm not an idiot, at least not to that extent. But I'm a very caring person and the concern for the wellbeing of other reporters is what keeps me up at night. Thus this thread.

It's you.......................!!! I have been wondering who's reporting my WO posts??

I don't remember reporting you. I kinda doubt that you have posted blatant copy-pasta without reference

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Quote from: suchmoon on May 26, 2022, 10:01:28 AM

Obviously no one bothered to even check it, because it was blatant copy-pasta with a link to the original.

That's not pilgrims... or you mean with a no link to the original?

I mean my reports all have links to the original text, i.e. all the proof the mods need if they had bothered to actually spend 30 seconds checking the report. The posts themselves had no links to the sources, or any other indication that the text was copied.

Edit: grammar.

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Quote from: suchmoon on May 26, 2022, 10:01:28 AM

It's you.......................!!! I have been wondering who's reporting my WO posts??

Obviously no one bothered to even check it, because it was blatant copy-pasta with a link to the original.

That's not pilgrims... or you mean with a no link to the original?

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then it makes no sense to have a misleading "Report to moderator" link there as there is nothing to report.

What if you personally stop reporting posts there, from your observation it is futile to do so, no use to keep doing it.