Topic: What happened to the forum plagiarism rules? (Read 1510 times)

But by the right you supposed quote all the sites the information were gotten so that the readers can go to the sites and confirm the information by themselves if it is correct because nobody is an island. Nobody came to this world and know everything the day she or he came to the world. Everyone learned from one another therefore, where you learned from most be given reference to honor the author. And also when you are taking information from another person, you should also contribute to knowledge. That is your suggestions and criticism will also help the author to improve on his writings.


I hope DdmrDdmr has said all. Because there is no way one wrote 100 articles even on his initiative that he or she would not have similarities with another person article, sometimes the topics are different but the ideas are the same or the ideas are the same but some of the topics would be the same. Even sometimes words would be the same. So there will be homographs, homograms, the same phrases and clauses. Why is it like that? Because we use the 44 English symbols and the rules of english. But if I am to use my language (mother tongue) to write there will no longer homographs, the same clauses and phrase, even at that tribal language level, there must be similarities (synonyms) in the writing.

Therefore, always honour the author of the article to avoid plagiarism.

If one is to simply put statements that are extracted as copy/paste from a given source, although providing a link will let you off the hook from a plagiarism point of view, it would be better (though not mandatory) to place the text in a quoted block/s. That would allow the reader to discern what part of the post is originated elsewhere from what are the OPs own words (if conducted properly).

Often, we come across posts that are literally, or very close to being literally, providing content from a given site, with no other added value (i.e. opinion, criticism, questions, complementary cross-references, etc.). That kind of post tends to have some clear drawbacks:

-   It does not help meriters (if applicable) to discern what’s what, and although the post may catch some stray merits, it is kind of deceiving, and likely counter-productive in the long run.

-   It denotes that the OP has made no real additional effort to dissect the information (so why bring it forward in the first case – other than to merit phish or to comply with campaign quotas).

-   It tends to relate to people that then do not interact with the posters that add their perspective on the thread.

-   It could be reported as low value content if it brings nothing of added value.

No it is not. But you ought to be careful when doing this, when summarizing an original text, you must ensure that you have understood it very well, if you have, summarizing it in your own words would be very easy and will be original too. But if you do not understand the text and you try to do it, you will only be paraphrasing it, which is plagiarism. There are users who just paraphrase original texts from somewhere else and post it here without any link to the source, and thus claim ownership, that is plagiarism, so make sure whenever you want to share knowledge, you are actually knowledgeable about it; and if you are not so sure of yourself/to remove all doubts, just add the link to the original text in the end.

This cleared my concern about creating a thread, I thought that putting a summary is still considered as plagiarizing offense.


Those are the rules I'm already aware of but creating a thread is a different level for me, you need to be very careful doing it because it has more content from multiple sources compared to what you do regularly.

As long as you include all the sources and didn't missed any source you used on your thread, you're fine. Plagiarism is you're claiming the words/sentence is from yours and didn't include the original sources, this forum doesn't have any strict rules how to write someone words.

There's a 3 kind users in this forum about the way they mention about the sources:
1. A user that mention the news on his post e.g. based on this news bla bla bla
2. A user that quoting the whole words and sentences that didn't belong to him
3. A user that didn't mention the news and only put all the sources on the bottom thread.

Either 1, 2 or 3 you wouldn't get banned.

No. In the forum including a link is quite enough for a post not to be considered as being plagiarized. But why would you just make a thread that is word for word/exactly the same with the original source, only to add a link in the end, without including your own thoughts/ideas nor putting it in such as way that it becomes one other users can discuss about.

Having said that, the best thing to do to keep discussions flowing is if you have a useful link/source about an information you want to share, you should read it up first, and then post somewhat of a summary of it here, with your own thoughts/ideas, in your own words, and then include the link in the end for users to know where you got the larger knowledge from and might want to visit the original source to get more knowledge.

Anyone can enlighten me what really are these rules? Sometimes I want to make a thread but I'm afraid to actually do it because of this rule that can result to my account being banned forever.

Let's say I create a thread "Different strategies in trading" and gather info on different sources. Post some of those information while including the links where I got them, is that considered plagiarizing because the statements are not from me even though I gave credits?

Surely he has plenty more accounts in the pipeline. Looking at his history alone, we can conclude it was just another alt from his account pool. The account was registered in 2017, but he didn't start actively using it until the end of 2021, mostly in the WO thread, where he wrote several dozen posts a week while "building" the account. Although he accidentally exposed his alt, Dic3L0v3r, it would be naive to believe that it was his only one.

Iirc there are couple of low rank accounts that had same M.O.; they both active in Bangladesh local thread and trying to farm merit in WO thread so maybe he already has an alt account ready. Keep in mind that an average monthly salary in Bangladesh is ~$150  and he was making almost double that in his signature campaign so if he doesn't already have an alt account ready, he is making a new one as we speak.

Thank you for showing Naim027's true face and bringing this liar to light. Watching his unscrupulous behavior, I was disappointed by some of the accounts I respected earlier, who categorically did not see his lies.

But after such words, instead of feeling some kind of shame, he continued to lie and invent stories, thereby feeling his impunity. I did not double-check his account, hoping that after the discovery of plagiarism, the owner would have to check every word in his account. But that did not happen. Whatever one may say, justice has triumphed.

Yep, that's how you get users with notification bots banned for plagiarism

It's not the first time he failed to fix his plagiarism.

Just wanted to tell you guys, the plagiarism rule is still exist and anyone can get banned no matter what how much his merits or his ranks. The naim027's case is the prove an user gained 500+ merits already get banned permanently according to BPIP. I don't know which post the moderators decide to ban him, the first report I created on the "report plagiarism" naim027 noticed it and edited his post with the original source and LoyceV said he wouldn't likely get banned after realizing his mistake, he suggest naim027 to check all of his posts and put the sources.

However I have found his another plagiarism post and already report to moderator (I don't want to make another report on the "report plagiarism" thread since it can easily noticed by him and he will add the sources again), perhaps the second report that's make moderator decide to ban him since he failed to follow LoyceV suggestion. At least we know broke plagiarism rule is still zero tolerance until now. There's no excuse for high ranked users to deny he was don't know the forum rules, if it's a newbies, then it make sense to give a second chance.

I want to say thank you for moderators to take care of this case and I wouldn't surprised if I see there's new account/low rank account shitposting on WO thread to earn easy merit

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Source: https://www.bitcongress.org/mining/best-usb-bitcoin-miners/

A newbie rank with three negative tags is the same as a dead account; it serves no purpose and causes no harm to the forum; if he's still posting, he's only contributing to forum activities; and, from what I've heard, the mods prefer punishment to bans these days. Only DT can save the forum now!!

Not only is he repeatedly trolling by copying scam bounty campaign threads and bluntly plagiarizing other people's posts. The user has alts that have already been banned and have been connected by Fatfork here So he's already evading ban, and yet he hasn't got banned yet after all that time. It doesn't make any sense.

I am going to report the post again, and we see how it goes.

I honestly agree with all you said, but we can also try to look at this from another perspective, banning a newbie permanently on their first offence is not ideal and is rather too harsh if you ask me, we all pray for a second chance when we fail at something we really want or love.
We should ask ourselves, how many of this newbies actually read the rules of this forum before they begin posting?
You know, like it's commonly said, "the best form of judgment is to put yourself in the other fellow's shoe", I use myself as an example here, when I first joined this forum, I started posting right away, I didn't know neither did I read any forum rules until about six months later, I never got banned though,(and this is why it took me so long to finally read the rules, getting a ban would have forced me to go through the rules) because I never broke the rule even though I didn't know what the rules say, so ironically, I first temp ban came some months after I've read the rules, then, I knew what I was doing was against the rule, but I went ahead to do it anyway thinking the mods wont find out, and of course they found out and I was lucky to get a temp ban, that served as a lesson to me and I never tried to go against the rules again.

So what am I saying in essence?, a newbie who breaks the forum rule might not have read the rule to know what it says, so the mods can give them that benefit of doubt and ban that user temporarily, the temp ban will force the user to read the rules, and ones the ban is lifted, if such user is sensible enough, he or she will definitely not try to break the forum rules again, but if such user still goes ahead to break the rules even after the first temp ban, then such user can be permanently banned.
Banning a newbie permanently on their first offence will only encourage one thing, and that is ban evasion, which is also another offence, so I think it better to temporarily ban on first offense as a warning and a pointer to the user to read the forum rules and regulations, then on the second offence that same user, then he or she can be banned permanently.

Yes, the majority of bounty hunters are newbies, and you can tell because those are alt accounts that returned after being banned, and most of them gave up because all the merits they ever had were airdropped to them, making building impossible, so they left the forum. A one-month temban for plagiarism defaulters would save the forum from losing members, in my opinion.

We all want a safe heaven forum, but in order to have one, certain REDLINES must be maintained, and anyone who crosses them will face a penalty.

I am quite sure that the noticeable drop in activity and general interest of new members for the forum is the reason the admins are somewhat more careful with issuing permanent bans. I visited the bounty section the other day just to see how it was doing and it seems the activity has somewhat dropped there as well. Taking all that into consideration, being extra strict with bans is probably not in the best interest of the forum right now. Having users plagiarize all over the place is also not something we want to see, so a middle ground needs to be found.   

Tbh, I never report a single case of plagiarism. Instead, I always PM the user to do the right thing and put such user on watch for a while to see if he's a plagiarist or if the one time was just a mistake. But, yes, the second time is too much.


Is Halab really blaming the reporters for doing a good job? There is nothing wrong with issuing a temban for first-time plagiarism; we simply wanted to know why our reports were rejected and why some users are banned for first-time plagiarism while others are not.

It's always easier said than done, and while everyone's attention is focused on the new forum software, one thing is certain: if nothing works here, nothing will happen there either.

That's exactly what I meant when I said that instead of reporting all cases of spam to moderators.

It's good to know that something is really going on in the background and that we haven't become so bad in our assessments when it comes to plagiarism and paraphrasing reports. What exactly is the reason that the rules have softened we can only guess, but it certainly has a demotivating effect on all who report such things.


Self-moderated threads do not solve the problem of plagiarism, but they definitely make sense to fight spam. The problem is that very few members want to moderate their threads, it is much easier to transfer all this work to moderators.

Many will say it’s a waste of time anyway, and unlike moderators who get paid for their work, everyone else does it for free. Last time the admin posted a list of members with the most good reports one could read a lot of comments about how individual members wonder why someone spends their time on reports.

Moderators, no matter how you guess, have their own criteria. For example, the case with naim027 is not plagiarism for them. The case with RajaDen, who repeatedly plagiarized, as well as malicious cheating, is also not considered critical.

Therefore, the purity of the forum and other beautiful words remains only "on paper". There is an idea of the beauty of the forum, but there is no desire to make it so.