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Topic: Remove Signatures from Altcoin-sections (Read 572 times)

sr. member
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February 08, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
#32
Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.
I don't understand why some people have problem with signature campaigns. While spam is bad, signature campaigns have helped keep this forum active.
Many new adopters have kept long association with cryptos because of signature campaign.
copper member
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Spear the bees
February 08, 2021, 10:38:03 AM
#31
I would suggest to everyone who creates threads there and doesn't want shitposters to lay their eggs, to create self-moderated threads and delete whatever posts they deem unworthy. Self-moderated threads are also an instant turn-off for spammers because they know here is a guy who pays attention to what is happening in his topics.
This is polishing a turd. Self-moderated threads don't just turn of spammers, but also people who don't want to see posts deleted at a random user's discretion.

True altcoin section users should be reporting the constant spam that come from users and they should also avoid participating in all of those meaningless megathreads. You can immediately identify them by title, which is usually why spammers only respond to the title without reading anything else.
legendary
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February 08, 2021, 07:36:01 AM
#30
I fully agree especially in the ETH threads there seem to be a lot of people copy/pasting the same text spinned replies for their sig campaigns. It would be nice to at least have a altcoin discussion forum where no sigs are shown (i know you can turn them off, but so the posts get better.)
I don't think that will happen. Admins don't focus that much on the altcoin boards because this is a bitcoin forum. Quality discussions take place outside of the altcoin boards. I am sure there are good posters who would like to discuss altcoins in a rule-abiding and professional manner, but they are the minority.

I would suggest to everyone who creates threads there and doesn't want shitposters to lay their eggs, to create self-moderated threads and delete whatever posts they deem unworthy. Self-moderated threads are also an instant turn-off for spammers because they know here is a guy who pays attention to what is happening in his topics.  
legendary
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February 07, 2021, 08:34:57 PM
#29
The problem is and continues to be the fact that there are users that do not understand how thread bumping works in the altcoin section:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-ann-threads-that-are-using-bumping-services-5236143
So, there are signature spammers, and spammers in general just infesting it.
And the people who are just posting to get their token signatures out there.

As I have said before if the entire altcoin section (Which I do use) went away tomorrow I would not miss it that much.
Many others feel the same way.

-Dave
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February 07, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
#28
I fully agree especially in the ETH threads there seem to be a lot of people copy/pasting the same text spinned replies for their sig campaigns. It would be nice to at least have a altcoin discussion forum where no sigs are shown (i know you can turn them off, but so the posts get better.)
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 11:46:45 PM
#27
What percentage of the Altcoin Discussion board is filled with useless, generic content and equally useless one-liner spam?
Lengthy posts don't equal to non-spam posts. Sometimes such posts can disguise us at first glance as they are lengthy and the undeniable fact is posters spend more time for such posts. But it does not mean lengthy posts are quality.

I don't have data for merits over boards but the Ninjastic.space sheds a light that how spammy the altcoin boards are.

The last solution as theymos cares about is shut down the signature as he spent some attempts to clean the forum and force members to contribute with better contributions.
  • Welcome message
  • Merit system
  • Enhanced merit system (demotion on old-era Jr. members without 1-earned merit)
  • Bump score

Merited posts don't equal to good posts in all cases but let's look at the raw stats for it from Merit Dashboard (built by DdmrDdmr).
  • Merit Dashboard for Sections/ Sub-sections
  • Total % of received merits in all Altcoin-related boards are 10.68%
  • But 50.6% of those received merits belong to the sub-board "Announcements (Altcoins)"
  • There are abuse or misuse of merit in Announcements (Altcoins) but somewhat the stats show the rest sub-boards for Altcoins don't have good quality.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
#26
Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.

that section is no different from the Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation, Trading Discussion section... if you remove signatures in that section then you would have to remove them in other sections as well. if you think something is spam just report the post and the problem is solved.


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December 25, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
#25

It will eventually send a message like removing signature in the forum.
It won't be good for the companies trying to get their clients thru the forum traffic. Bitcoin or cryptocurrency hasn't yet gone to mainstream yet where there will be a platform to advertise, this forum serves as one and should remain to be the top one.
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December 25, 2020, 02:00:09 PM
#24
How about a proposal to remove altcoin paying signature campaigns? or campaign that pays in tokens?
They can launch their campaigns in social media platforms anyway.
Will that help reduce spam? I believe so.
This can be the best solution but its unlikely to be implemented because its kind of biased decision which is against the freedom what provided in Bitcointalk. Removing signature from altcoins section also going to increase the spams on other section as others mentioned. So the best possible solution is to implement strict guidelines for bounty campaign like having a maximum cap of participants for signature campaign is mandatory.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
#23
instead of erasing the problem the attempts should be to first fix it then if it weren't fixed we can look for more drastic measures. first start by warning any signature campaign that has the most number of spammers then ban those signature campaigns (like what happened to Yobit spam campaign!). this way the job of cleaning up the forum is outsourced to the source of the problem which is the campaigns that are paying them in first place to spam. when the campaign managers start not paying for spam posts or even kick those spammers out those boards clean up automatically and not just that, the quality of the posts will improve too since everyone has to post higher quality posts to get paid so they make an effort.

if the signature were removed from those boards, the spammers would simply infest other places.
sr. member
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December 25, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
#22
The request was probably made with the sincere intention to save the Altcoins section. tk808 looks like a huge supporter of altcoins not named XRP hehe. Kidding aside, it's also a matter of personal interest. tk808 wants to remove the garbage from the section he likes but the others are also concerned that those trash will be thrown to the sections they often visit. It's like saying "keep your own garbage".

How about a proposal to remove altcoin paying signature campaigns? or campaign that pays in tokens?
They can launch their campaigns in social media platforms anyway.
Will that help reduce spam? I believe so.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 10:27:34 AM
#21
I don't think that advice will solve the problem because perhaps you would also suggest that the gambling discussion board should also be removed for signature campaign. Some things that might be improved is the awareness of users to continue reporting every spam post to the moderator by pressing the report to moderator button in the right corner of each post. This will have a huge impact on the forum as most contributors have been doing it for a long time. The rules can still be tightened and that may be the solution for now.

If the spam posts that are there are deleted in an extreme way every day or week then I believe the activity of the spammers will be narrower and they will find a solution not to be deleted. I hope this way many of them will change their minds because without quality post they will not complete their weekly qouta. I've seen the effectiveness of the idea having a positive effect on local board, and it has decreased the number of spam posts there. So just report it to the moderators and it will be a good thing.
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December 25, 2020, 09:33:32 AM
#20
Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.
It might be good to control post spamming since the topic here are just speculations about altcoin and discussions to the altcoins. But I think, it might also affect the number of people who are willing to post in this section. Remove the spammers but not the signatures because even the whole forum have no signatures, if there are spammers around. Spammung activity will just continue to exist. If you want to change something, do not just cut the root but the whole tree.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 08:43:12 AM
#19
If you're going to remove them from one section then you may as well remove them from all boards as this doesn't solve the problem at all. All it will do is push the spam onto other subs where they can monetise it, thus making the forum overall worse. I'd rather the spam be in there than everywhere else but even the spam in the alt coin section would be better tackled by alternative means. If someone is paying them to do this then they should face repercussions along with the users making the mess. People would soon get the idea if there was recursions for this behaviour but if we don't crack down on it and let campaigns largely police themselves then they will continue to be lazy and abuse the system.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 05:29:46 AM
#18
Even thought I do believe the Altcoin Section is mostly populated with spam posts and of the fact that most bounties run there end as scam, I still am of the opinion that bounty campaigns should be allowed to thrive there. All what the mods or theymos need do is step up the game to sanitize the section. Remove bounties there, bitcointalk forum will lose a great deal of revenue and publicity to rivalry fora.


You guys creating a way to make forum dies, since imagine many forums paid their posters just to create a post to make their forum alive and guess you are suggesting a way to eliminate them?
So true. I remember a few years ago the creator of ICO Forum, a crypto site just like BTT rushed to this forum to offer high yield bounty campaign to those who wanted. I noticed how the traffic on the site went up astronomically because of that as many users here quickly registered on that forum and there was transfer of knowledge and expertise. Sadly, the bounty didn't last long as the bounty manager was alleged to have embezzled campaign funds in ETH. The lesson is "money moves places." Or you can say in the parlance of my people — Money stops nonsense.

Well that's a big NO. If you think the post is spam then click report moderator and let the mods decide if that is total spam.
That isn't radical enough an approach for me.

Hypocrisy towards this will have a huge impact on the forum, We have mods around and believe me guys bitcointalk will slowly die if no signature opportunity will be allowed in altcoin section or even everywhere.
This is an open secret, even though certain users will want to claim ending signature or bounty campaigns here won't affect the forum. It will! Simple and short!
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 05:10:38 AM
#17
I wouldn't want to see that happen. It's better to have stricter rules for altcoin sig spammers and hit them with signature bans if necessary. Has anyone watched the TV series The Wire? They had an interesting way to battle the drug problem in Baltimore. They made the sale and use of drugs allowed in one neighborhood of the city. That caused all the drug dealers and junkies go to that part of the city to buy and sell drugs. The rest of city was much cleaner after that.  Wink 
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December 25, 2020, 04:01:23 AM
#16
In my opinion, this section just gathers all the spammers and works positively in the sense that many of them do not post anywhere else at all. Let them hang out in the altcoins section, otherwise, it will look like a hydra that multiplies everywhere.
This little evil is much better than farm accounts spreading unnecessary information around the forum.
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December 25, 2020, 03:34:33 AM
#15
Nothing will change, the altcoin section isn't something much important like a serious discussion. So banning Signature there will stop engage discussion from that board.

Doubt that'll be the outcome, it'll definitely have an immediate effect on the board which would reduced the traffic coming from that board. If you take time to read post in the board you'll observe most posters there are only posting because the campaign they're promoting demand them to, in order to get paid and not posting because they're interested in the topic been discussed. My interactions with the board reduced because I noticed me constantly reading low quality post affected my thinking.

There's so much spam on the board that this would had been the best solution although it isn't. Banning signature isn't the way forward instead regulating it is but I guess that's a dead demand since the forum has vowed not to have anything to do with signature campaign in regards to regulating it.

Signature is a vital reselling point of the forum. It attractive both companies wanting to promote their project to a larger audience and also promoters wanting to earn few extra bucks.
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Spear the bees
December 25, 2020, 03:29:32 AM
#14
No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.
So, I take it that the merit system is useless there?

I never visit that section, not because of the spamming, just because I'm not interested in alts but it seems to me that having to gain some merits in order to be accepted into (bitcoin) signature campaigns supposes a barrier for spammers who either have to give up, or they have to make an effort in order to get merit.
Why would spammers bother trying to get into bitcoin campaigns when they can much more easily spew dozens of posts with generic content? Why bother actually reading anything when you can either quote someone, agree with their bullshit and rephrase it, say something extremely simplistic, and/or read the title of the thread and respond within a minute?

Plus... even if they were aiming for higher-quality posts (let's be honest, the barrier of entry to beat most altcoin replies is very low) that wouldn't stop them from continuing their account farms. Participating in bounties while replying effortlessly is like writing down a few sentences every day as an analogue to the lottery: most of the campaigns will result in failure but all it takes is one to succeed. The spam is cyclical in its expansion: its prevalence gives credence to more account farming and an air of normalcy to the cesspool of irrelevance.
legendary
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December 25, 2020, 03:20:35 AM
#13
No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.

So, I take it that the merit system is useless there?

I never visit that section, not because of the spamming, just because I'm not interested in alts but it seems to me that having to gain some merits in order to be accepted into (bitcoin) signature campaigns supposes a barrier for spammers who either have to give up, or they have to make an effort in order to get merit.
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December 25, 2020, 03:15:08 AM
#12
I don't agree with this because there are certain subboards in Altcoin discussion full of threads where people actually accomplish something. I'm talking specifically about the Altcoins Mining board. The amount of spam there is much less than the rest of that board.
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December 25, 2020, 03:08:26 AM
#11
Nothing will change, the altcoin section isn't something much important like a serious discussion. So banning Signature there will stop engage discussion from that board. But it doesn't mean spammers will leave that forum. They will continue spamming all over the forum again and we will face another issue. I think most altcoins Signature participants posting there, very rarely BTC paying participants posting there, even they are posting their post aren't obvious spam at all. Managers should take are such spams who are managing the campaign. For example, the Chipmixer manager doesn't count posts from the altcoin section.
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December 25, 2020, 01:49:52 AM
#10
Altcoin section is also contributing good to this forum wellness, many people on this forum do not know the more we are the more will be shit posters and also average posters of different categories. If signature is removed from the altcoin boards, it just simple means altcoin boards posting activities will reduce. The bitcoin boards will be unfit for many members of this forum in a way they will have to leave therefore reducing bitcointalk members which can be detrimental.
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December 24, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
#9
You guys creating a way to make forum dies, since imagine many forums paid their posters just to create a post to make their forum alive and guess you are suggesting a way to eliminate them?

Do you think it's beneficial to remove the signatures there?

Well that's a big NO. If you think the post is spam then click report moderator and let the mods decide if that is total spam.

Hypocrisy towards this will have a huge impact on the forum, We have mods around and believe me guys bitcointalk will slowly die if no signature opportunity will be allowed in altcoin section or even everywhere.

If you really want to help then reporting is enough and don't create a scene which not give any benefits to all users here.
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Spear the bees
December 24, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
#8
if sigs were done away with this forum would probably be as dead as a lot of other cryptocurrency forums (like the ones for specific altcoins).  I don't think anyone really wants to see that happen.
Do the ends justify the means? It's almost as if we're taking the same approach to the Investor-based games section: "aye, it's illegal and a scam but we needed a section otherwise they would spam it elsewhere!!!"

How many topics in the Altcoin boards are scams?

What percentage of the Altcoin Discussion board is filled with useless, generic content and equally useless one-liner spam?
If you're willing to honor the whole, "signatures cause traffic, therefore traffic is good," mantra then one seeks to question whether the ends justify the means: how much of that traffic is reduced to noise, and how many individuals (not users) are actually posting in that section? Wages dictate the quality of work, and if these people are working for tokens that are most likely worthless or scams, essentially looking at bounties as gambling on a jackpot (look at some threads that echo this)... how can you expect there to be any post quality at all? It's no wonder account farming and alts are rampant there, since you want to get as many shots as possible at concurrent bounties.

The egregious spam on the forum has become the status quo. So much for Rule #1.
legendary
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December 24, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
#7
Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally?
Yep, you nailed it.  If you banned signature advertising in only the altcoin section(s), the shitposters would readily flock to other sections like Bitcoin Discussion, which is already a cesspool of garbage.  I don't think that section should be ruined any more than it has been.

And you're also right, it then would come down to a question of whether to eliminate signatures altogether, and Theymos has voiced his opinion on that already--he's not for it.  All of those bounty hunters and signature campaigners bring in a lot of traffic to the site, and if sigs were done away with this forum would probably be as dead as a lot of other cryptocurrency forums (like the ones for specific altcoins).  I don't think anyone really wants to see that happen.
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December 24, 2020, 02:52:59 PM
#6
I think even this won't solve the problem in altcoin sections. People have spam in their blood, veins. Idk if it sounds funny and illogical for you but personally I think that people will spam with the same rate even if we remove signatures.

But at the same time if we remove signatures in altcoin section, then the wave of spammers will invade the other four sections. As I mentioned, we can't fix the problem and even if we try to fix that way, then it will cause worsening of the situation in other sections.

Also, huge traffic comes on altcoin sections and theymos knows that. The traffic of this website generates revenue, higher traffic = more money. It should cost a decent amount of money to keep this forum (servers, etc) and moderators, we shouldn't blame theymos.
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December 24, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
#5
I totally hate altcoin spammers(or spammers in general) probably as much as you do, but it would probably be a bad move in a business perspective. Doing that would most definitely decrease user activity(both legitimate and spam) hence potentially decreasing demand from ad space buyers. Mods/admins just need to be more strict concerning spammers especially on that specific section. Especially recently whereas we’ve been getting hit by more spammers, it’d probably be a great idea for Theymos to hire more forum mods.
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Spear the bees
December 24, 2020, 01:38:56 PM
#4
That will eventually lead you to the old saying; remove signatures from the forum. Imagine altcoin section don't allow signature; there will be no less of signature spammer. Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally?
No. Altcoin sections can create bounties for free. Signature campaigns require BTC-based payments. This is the difference.

Just ban anyone who spams: isn't it that simple? Most altcoin signature campaign members I come across will tend to shit out pages upon pages of one/two-liners - moderation would help in the section but if you wiped signatures that takes care of half of the work (probably more).

users must contribute as well to report those posts to the moderators, the only problem is quite a lot of users either have the altcoin section on ignore or hardly ever go there to see what's up in there.
From my experience, any time I want to go to that section I put aside effectively a half-hour of time for the amount of reports I would need to do. One reason to do something about the 4-second limit on reports.
legendary
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December 24, 2020, 01:35:01 PM
#3
+1, and a good idea, at least for the altcoin sections (alone), most of the spammers post there cause they are in one signature campaign or the other, if signatures are removed from that section, the spam will definitely reduce and activity on that board will go down as well. But having said that, you and I know the spammers aren't going to leave the forum after that, they'll prolly move over to another board, most prolly the Bitcoin discussion section, and that way, imo, we've actually not solved anything, other than moving the spammers from one board to another.

If you ask me, I'll say the best way is to tackle the root cause of the problem which is 'spam', maybe more stringent moderation in the altcoin section, temporary bans for users with multiple cases of blatant spamming, mass removal of spam posts, and users must contribute as well to report those posts to the moderators, the only problem is quite a lot of users either have the altcoin section on ignore or hardly ever go there to see what's up in there. Just my two cents, and btw tk808 you do a good 'job' to encourage good posts in that section by meriting them, well done.
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December 24, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
#2
That will eventually lead you to the old saying; remove signatures from the forum. Imagine altcoin section don't allow signature; there will be no less of signature spammer. Same number of participants will flood the other section and thus, question will be there- remove signature globally? But I guess theymos isn't into that. I would prefer having some more moderators for that section.
legendary
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December 24, 2020, 01:16:16 PM
#1
Break incentivized posting on altcoin sections. Break the mass spam of the puppet masters.
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