Topic: Remove the ability to self-moderate within the marketplace - page 2. (Read 368 times)

@akamit

Trying to prevent scams is the only thing we can do.  A post within a scammers thread stating it is a scam is the first thing people are going to see.  Preventing just one is better than none.  

There is no reason why a trusted member would absolutely need to use self moderation in Goods, Services, or Currency exchange.  It is rare for forums to even have that option.  This is the only forum I am a member of that allows it.

When I said mods made the choice to not get involved in scams/trades, I was just stating a fact.  It is fine if they do not want to or cannot get involved.  The moderators are constantly moving threads around though..haha


Again this is just prevention.  Look at crime in general, we are never going to stop it, all we can do is make it harder for the bad guys.. 

@audaciousbeing
Removing self-moderation won't help anyway to prevent scam, scammers are normally very smart. Moreover, the self-moderation system is also used by trusted members.
If someone gets scammed then they can simply give negative trust to help prevent others getting scammed, though it will not be 100% safe.
Because scammers have dozens of accounts which they use to sell products & services with the intention to scam innocent peoples.
The best way someone can use to keep themselves safe is to use escrow for each and every trade.


@MiLkz
1. My opinion above

2. In my opinion, we have very less number of mods if compare with the users we have in this forum, the threads created daily, the posts are made daily.
    So its impossible for mods to go through each & every threads and posts and of course of the activity of tons of users.
    The best way to handle this issue by the well wishers of this forum is to report those threads, posts, and users. I have reported some threads and mods have taken necessary actions so quickly.
    I normally hate those users who sell personal documents and email list and I've already reported those. But the bitter truth is, those scammers always return back.

3. I agree with SFR. DT members are always active there and always tries to solve the issues. But not every issue can be solved by the DT members. As an example "YOBIT" issues.

4. In my opinion, 80% to 90% newbie accounts are made daily are alts of some scammers or negged users. And 10% to 20% is pure new users and they can be recognized easily.

I think this topic should be moved to meta section of the forum because that where issues affecting the forum is being discussed and also a lot of moderators and senior members visits there which means it gets enough coverage as well as attention of those that can really make the required difference if need be depending on how they see it to be.

I agree that some section should be deactivated for self moderation especially anyone that involves buying and selling in the market place and the exchange section because with that scam can easily be seen by just visiting the thread not by going through extra means of finding if this person has scammed or not. Even by default to me, anyone who self moderate his thread aside from those who have genuine reasons, has something to hide and that is an indication to do more digging before trusting.

I am often hesitant to leave negative feedback because I do not want negative feedback in retaliation.


I 100% agree, but I still think we should do everything possible to decrease scamming.


I was thinking only Goods(plus subsections), Services, & Currency exchange

If they use the proper format and provide enough evidence, then surely a DT1/2 member will look into those.

It's not just the trust system, most don't bother to read the obvious signs (and as result, get tricked/scammed along the way).

If you mean for the whole "Marketplace" then it has other uses (ex. Maintaining threads in regards to useless/spam posts), however I do agree that "some sections" within Marketplace shouldn't allow to have self-moderated topics.

**Thread is closed, I will reopen a new thread in Meta, as suggested, using everyone's concerns and suggestions to make a better proposal.


I believe we should remove the option to self-moderate topics within the marketplace.  
Specifically these 2 sections of the marketplace:

• Goods(plus all subsections)
• Currency exchange

Any another section can be included if enough people deem it worthwhile.  

As suggested by others:
Senior, Hero, & Legendary users would keep self-moderation in the decided upon marketplace sections. We may want to extend this to Full Members because of the new merit system. If possible, we could have this benefit disabled if someone's trust is negative, regardless of their user group.

Only users with the rank Member or below would be affected by this change.

Reasons why it is beneficial:
1) Scams are rampant
2) Moderators have taken a stance of not getting involved
3) Threads posted in the scam accusation section go unseen by victims/new users
4) New users are unaware of the trust system

I see absolutely no downside/reason to not remove this option within certain marketplace sections with the above suggested stipulations.  It has no value if you are trying to legitimately buy/sell something.  If spam is unbearable and the moderators are too overloaded to deal with it then self-moderation has value.  

What do you guys think?